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Post by songbirdsally on Apr 18, 2011 10:25:23 GMT -5
Rigsy meets Liam G
It's not often I'd get nervous about an interview, but when Liam Gallagher walked into the residents bar of a hotel in Belfast, I knocked over a glass of water and near tripped over my headphones lead. Thankfully he didn't seem to notice, as he grabbed my hand and instantly became exactly the type of aggressively friendly character I'd prepared for. He opens with an apology.
'Andy Bell is messing about somewhere, he always tries to be late so he'll look cool. I don't need to bother with that.' Checking his watch, he boasts 'I'm always on time, me.'
He bounces about the room, explaining how he's still to come down following his experiences at Wembley Stadium - not for a gig (though 'stadiums will come again soon enough') but to enjoy Man City win the biggest match they've played in Liam's lifetime. He's surprisingly gracious when I explain I'm United. There's a good five minutes of him pacing about the room, asking me a load of questions about the hotel we're in and Belfast in general. I couldn't answer most of them and he gives me stick.
For some reason I explain how this is the first interview our show has done with a band not from Ireland in almost a year, that we've made an exception for him. I tell him the music here is so good our show is pretty much 100% 'local' these days. He asks for names of bands, so I tell him about Cashier, ASIWYFA, Rams Pocket Radio and The Wondervillians. I point out he'll probably hate them all equally. He laughs.
Finally Andy weighs in and the three of us chat for a good twenty minutes. I'm constantly chasing Liams mouth with the mic - he literally doesn't sit still for more than a second. I think about the edit we have ahead of us - Liam swears a LOT. Like, every third or fourth word. We're going to need a fair few beeps.
I don't want to bomb straight in with questions about Oasis or Liam's relationship with Noel. It seems a little crude and, in my head, could jeopardize the entire interview. So we chat about the frist Beady Eye gigs. But funnily enough, Liam's off on a rant about his big brother within a minute, questioning why he got off 'scott free'. He then claims his paranoia surrounding the issue of who was to 'blame' for Oasis' demise was so bad he actually thought him being bottled off the stage on that first gig in Glasgow wasn't out of the question. Andy seems a little taken aback by this idea. He'll think about it for a while before stopping me mid-question, half way through the interview to clarify - 'going back to that whole thing abut the paranoia - can I just say, the fans were beyond cool.'
And so it continues, Liam being as good an interview as I'd assumed - winding himself up constantly and over selling just how much he believes in Beady Eye. The number of swears increases as we go on. It's pretty infectious, to the point I start to worry I've started dropping the odd F-bomb myself. And then, a quick picture and I'm off, buzzing, texting a couple of people who were as obsessed with Oasis as I was, back in the day.
Full interview 8pm on BBC Radio Ulster!
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Post by agnhi on Apr 18, 2011 14:51:15 GMT -5
Did it happen already? I see the program is 8-10pm
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Post by songbirdsally on Apr 18, 2011 14:59:22 GMT -5
Nope, probably in the 2nd hour, as always..
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Post by songbirdsally on Apr 18, 2011 15:39:43 GMT -5
on now.. EDIT: Liam said they will start demoiing for the next album pretty soon, as soon as they have some time  |
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Post by gdforever on Apr 18, 2011 17:22:43 GMT -5
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Post by gdforever on Apr 18, 2011 17:36:15 GMT -5
Interesting that Liam is under the impression that the fans blame him more for Oasis splitting than Noel was. I haven't found that to be true on here.
I think that in general Noel has gotten more stick on here about the split than Liam. Am I wrong?
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Post by agnhi on Apr 18, 2011 18:19:33 GMT -5
I don't know about here but in Facebook for example there's been comments that sound like they're basically saying it was Liam's fault that Oasis split(and then counter comments reminding them that it was Noel who walked out)
dunno, my general impression is that the amount of people blaming Liam/siding with Noel's "he was impossible to work with" has been at least as big as the group of people blaming Noel
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Post by thuperthonic on Apr 18, 2011 18:26:57 GMT -5
Interesting that Liam is under the impression that the fans blame him more for Oasis splitting than Noel was. I haven't found that to be true on here. I think that in general Noel has gotten more stick on here about the split than Liam. Am I wrong? Noel's gotten more stick because we haven't heard his side of the story yet. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 18, 2011 18:30:47 GMT -5
I wonder if Andy details his plans for when he imminently quits the band? [Sarcasm]
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Post by gdforever on Apr 18, 2011 19:10:03 GMT -5
I don't know about here but in Facebook for example there's been comments that sound like they're basically saying it was Liam's fault that Oasis split(and then counter comments reminding them that it was Noel who walked out) dunno, my general impression is that the amount of people blaming Liam/siding with Noel's "he was impossible to work with" has been at least as big as the group of people blaming Noel Tha may be true...I don't keep track of the casual Oasis fans opinions. So you think the more casual fans blame Liam more? And to Thuperthonic...I don't think Noel has gotten that much more stick than Liam. They've gotten about the same IMO...and rightly so. There are sometimes that I notice people getting a bit outlandish about Noel and his motives. (especially regarding opinions that Noel had been planning his exit for weeks, months, or years before he actually left) |
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Post by Silence Dogood on Apr 18, 2011 19:18:28 GMT -5
definitely, no question about it. Most "casual" fans do blame Liam more than they do Noel .
What's hilarious is that most of these people claim Noel never needed Liam in the first place, was the only one with talent out of the 2, and that he'll probably do better on his own, etc.
In other words, they're idiots/
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 18, 2011 19:54:40 GMT -5
definitely, no question about it. Most "casual" fans do blame Liam more than they do Noel . What's hilarious is that most of these people claim Noel never needed Liam in the first place, was the only one with talent out of the 2, and that he'll probably do better on his own, etc. In other words, they're idiots/ I couldn't disagree more. While Noel and Liam complemented each other, which only maximized their success...it's Noel's songs that were the pinnacle of it. Remember Rain? There's no way Rain would have amounted to anything. So Liam depended on Noel's songs. And of course Noel depended on Liam's voice and attitude....but I reckon that Noel could have made it mainstream without Liam. Of course never near the status of Oasis, but certainly more so than Rain. Don't misread into this.....both needed each other to maximize their potential - but Liam needed Noel more than Noel needed Liam. |
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Post by agnhi on Apr 18, 2011 20:11:51 GMT -5
I'm not saying this to agree with what you said NL4E, but I want to point out there's difference between "needing more/less" and "not needing at all". The latter being something casual fans say a lot these days.
As for talent, what they could've been etc. We will never know(thank god). Who knows, maybe when Liam had grown older a bit(he was really young back then), got more practise, his band's lineup might've changed etc, who knows. He probably would've done better than Rain you NL4E refer to.
Again I'm not getting into arguments who is more talented etc who needs other more. Just saying that Liam without Noel doesn't necessarily equal his first ever band.
Casual fans blame Liam more. I don't know was it due to press getting it wrong or what but plenty people seem to be under impression that it was only Liam who smashed Noel's guitar. Or dunno did they just twist it in their own minds to fit how they want to see it.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 18, 2011 20:23:59 GMT -5
I'm not saying this to agree with what you said NL4E, but I want to point out there's difference between "needing more/less" and "not needing at all". The latter being something casual fans say a lot these days. As for talent, what they could've been etc. We will never know(thank god). Who knows, maybe when Liam had grown older a bit(he was really young back then), got more practise, his band's lineup might've changed etc, who knows. He probably would've done better than Rain you NL4E refer to. Again I'm not getting into arguments who is more talented etc who needs other more. Just saying that Liam without Noel doesn't necessarily equal his first ever band. Casual fans blame Liam more. I don't know was it due to press getting it wrong or what but plenty people seem to be under impression that it was only Liam who smashed Noel's guitar. Or dunno did they just twist it in their own minds to fit how they want to see it. Noel was the driving force. Not only did he make the big decisions, but he also, as Liam himself admits, "brought the discipline." Read the Oasis books, Noel was serious about making Oasis work. He was seen as the leader, and he lived up to it. Whereas Liam seemed to rebel at times, and enjoy youthful exuberance. That's not to say Noel was perfect. Noel was petulant at times, too. But the impression you query comes from the fact that Noel seems the wiser and more serious of the two. I refuse to pick sides post-split, but I perfectly understand this impression. To call someone an idiot for seeing why Noel is considered more serious is beyond stupid, in my own opinion. Put it this way (and I don't want it to sound like I'm picking on Liam, cos I'm not): If Noel acted like Liam in the 90s, Oasis would have imploded a decade earlier (and it had almost come to that when he did act out, but Noel realizing the stakes at the last possible minute prevented such an ending, until 2009 of course). It's as simple as that, really. |
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Post by Silence Dogood on Apr 18, 2011 20:36:47 GMT -5
blah blah blah blah...
how did this turn into yet another Noel dickriding session?
just close this thread already.
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Post by agnhi on Apr 18, 2011 20:41:53 GMT -5
Oh I've read my share of Oasis books;)
Like I said I will not get into the discussions who was more important and in what sense, you made a lot of good points I'm not saying that.
All I was saying is that it's just pointless to say Rain was all Liam would've been capable of!
No one's calling someone an idiot for considering Noel more serious out of those two. He's calling those people idiots who write stuff on FB like
"Fuck beady eye.... Oasis!"
"Liam, your nothing without noel, js"
"wheres Noel when he's needed??? You aint half the musician your brother is Liam! Big fail"
Just 3 I found after looking at one FB post for about 1 minute.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 18, 2011 20:43:06 GMT -5
blah blah blah blah... how did this turn into yet another Noel dickriding session? just close this thread already. You can't be serious: What's hilarious is that most of these people claim Noel never needed Liam in the first place, was the only one with talent out of the 2, and that he'll probably do better on his own, etc. In other words, they're idiots/  Oh. Wait. lgfaver declares this thread closed - better act on it, mods!  |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 18, 2011 20:52:30 GMT -5
Oh I've read my share of Oasis books;) "wheres Noel when he's needed??? You aint half the musician your brother is Liam! Big fail" That point is perfectly legit. I have yet to see anyone on here defend BDI without Noel. We all very well know that Noel would have added, and not detracted from DGSS. Also, Liam with Rain wouldn't have amounted to anything without a proper songwriter. Ok, in the early 1990s your point would have credence: look how Noel developed. But Liam over the 15 years he's been writing, while progressing to be sure, can't touch Noel and can't touch what would make a band big. I'm sorry, but his output, while better in recent times, would not be good enough to become noticeable. Liam needed Noel more than Noel needed Liam. I'm sorry, but that's just the truth. As Noel said (not verbatim) in 1994 "They're just singers in a band....whereas I will live forever because I write my own stuff" Noel was the brains. How anyone can deny that is beyond me. |
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Post by gdforever on Apr 18, 2011 20:54:01 GMT -5
definitely, no question about it. Most "casual" fans do blame Liam more than they do Noel . What's hilarious is that most of these people claim Noel never needed Liam in the first place, was the only one with talent out of the 2, and that he'll probably do better on his own, etc. In other words, they're idiots/ I couldn't disagree more. While Noel and Liam complemented each other, which only maximized their success...it's Noel's songs that were the pinnacle of it. Remember Rain? There's no way Rain would have amounted to anything. So Liam depended on Noel's songs. And of course Noel depended on Liam's voice and attitude....but I reckon that Noel could have made it mainstream without Liam. Of course never near the status of Oasis, but certainly more so than Rain. Don't misread into this.....both needed each other to maximize their potential - but Liam needed Noel more than Noel needed Liam. They are right it saying that Liam could have gotten another songer writer. Maybe they wouldn't have been as good...but Oasis could have been decent without Noel. As we have seen with DGSS...Liam has an amazing voice and even now (when his voice it not as great as the 90's) it can elevate decent songs a measure. And for peoples first bands to be the bands they end up succeeding with is pretty rare. The Gallaghers are truely rare in that respect (particularly Noel as he was in his mid 20's when he joined his first band). Liam just needed to be drafted by a better group of musicians. It probably would have happened. Chances are Liam would have been in a couple more bands before he made it...if he had had the patience to stick it out. You are right to say that Noel could have made a bit of an impact alone. But maybe he would never have had the drive to record and put his music out there. He made it to 24 without that having been something he pursued. he was satisfied being a roadie. Noel was apparently pretty private in his youth. Using Liam as a frontman gave him the courage to push for his music...but there is no saying without the support of the members of the band he would have ever pushed it. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 18, 2011 20:57:55 GMT -5
I couldn't disagree more. While Noel and Liam complemented each other, which only maximized their success...it's Noel's songs that were the pinnacle of it. Remember Rain? There's no way Rain would have amounted to anything. So Liam depended on Noel's songs. And of course Noel depended on Liam's voice and attitude....but I reckon that Noel could have made it mainstream without Liam. Of course never near the status of Oasis, but certainly more so than Rain. Don't misread into this.....both needed each other to maximize their potential - but Liam needed Noel more than Noel needed Liam. They are right it saying that Liam could have gotten another songer writer. Maybe they wouldn't have been as good...but Oasis could have been decent without Noel. As we have seen with DGSS...Liam has an amazing voice and even now (when his voice it not as great as the 90's) it can elevate decent songs a measure. You just missed the point, while proving mine in the process. Of course Liam could have gotten another song writer. So what? My point - those that you're agreeing with claim Liam could make it somewhat on his own. Liam HAD to depend on some other output. Liam enhanced Noel's song writing. Noel could be successful on his own......Liam depended on better song writing. He couldn't support himself. It's that simple. |
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Post by gdforever on Apr 18, 2011 21:09:10 GMT -5
They are right it saying that Liam could have gotten another songer writer. Maybe they wouldn't have been as good...but Oasis could have been decent without Noel. As we have seen with DGSS...Liam has an amazing voice and even now (when his voice it not as great as the 90's) it can elevate decent songs a measure. You just missed the point, while proving mine in the process. Of course Liam could have gotten another song writer. So what? My point - those that you're agreeing with claim Liam could make it somewhat on his own. Liam HAD to depend on some other output. Liam enhanced Noel's song writing. Noel could be successful on his own......Liam depended on better song writing. He couldn't support himself. It's that simple. I don't think Noel would have had the courage to sing his own songs and push for himself to be picked up by a record company. Noel might not have gotten a record deal period. He may have never gotten up on a stage himself. How much less successful can you be than to never have performed @ all. Noel can be a solo artist now but I don't think he could have been before the experience with Oasis gave him more confidence. I think if he hadn't joined a band...he would have been a non-entity. He got to 24 without ever having tried to form a band, which is what he would have had to have done. He auditioned for a few bands...but he wasn't that great a singer or guitarist so he probably wouldn't have been picked up...and even if he did chances are they would have already have had a designated songwriter so they wouldn't have made DM even though Noel would have had all those songs. My point is that Noel needed a frontman as much as Liam needed a songwriter. Nowadays Noel needs a frontman less than Liam needs a songwriter though. |
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Post by agnhi on Apr 18, 2011 21:09:50 GMT -5
You are right to say that Noel could have made a bit of an impact alone. But maybe he would never have had the drive to record and put his music out there. He made it to 24 without that having been something he pursued. he was satisfied being a roadie. Noel was apparently pretty private in his youth. Using Liam as a frontman gave him the courage to push for his music...but there is no saying without the support of the members of the band he would have ever pushed it. Extremely good points if one wants to theorise what would've happened without them being in a band together. NL4E, I'm not arguing Liam's skill is equal to Noel's and I don't think anyone is. The original point was about how casual fans see the situation as everything being 100% Noel 0% Liam, except obviously the split which was 100% Liam's fault in their eyes. There's been lots of casual fans(and not so casual too) who haven't even bothered to give BDI a go before happily writing similar stuff like I quoted. Well here's a first then. I've never even thought how DGSS would've been with Noel in it. I'm perfectly happy with it as it is, and I'm happy with the band as it is. It's not to say I don't miss Oasis more or less on daily basis, they've been a huge part of my life for over 15 years. But yeah no, when I look at Beady Eye I don't miss Noel, I'm happy with them as they are. |
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Post by Silence Dogood on Apr 18, 2011 21:19:27 GMT -5
wow... all this time i kept on wondering why people hated this dude so much, why he had such a bad rep and why everyone just basically rolled their eyes every time he posted a comment. Turns out NL4E is a complete and utter moron.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 18, 2011 21:41:26 GMT -5
wow... all this time i kept on wondering why people hated this dude so much, why he had such a bad rep and why everyone just basically rolled their eyes every time he posted a comment. Turns out NL4E is a complete and utter moron. Someone notify Webster Dictionary - New definition of moron: "Anyone who disagrees with lgfaver" |
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Post by Officer Jim Kurring on Apr 18, 2011 22:45:23 GMT -5
it's very telling that Liam would think fans would blame him for Oasis' split.
there's so much 'what if' argument, coupled with so many variables it goes beyond ridiculous to the point of argument for the sake of argument around here.
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