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Post by gdforever on Apr 18, 2011 22:58:34 GMT -5
it's very telling that Liam would think fans would blame him for Oasis' split. You have a point.
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Post by Rifles on Apr 18, 2011 23:27:01 GMT -5
wow... all this time i kept on wondering why people hated this dude so much, why he had such a bad rep and why everyone just basically rolled their eyes every time he posted a comment. Turns out NL4E is a complete and utter moron. We need to get that sand out of your vagina.
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Post by mezmerised on Apr 19, 2011 0:52:33 GMT -5
it's very telling that Liam would think fans would blame him for Oasis' split. You have a point. Do you guys think it means he feels guilty/responsible for what happened? Because to me it was just Liam admitting that he felt a bit insecure and was wondering how people would react to him on his own. Which is totally normal at his first gig without the man who played this major part in his life and career so far. I find it more telling (and annoying) that Andy kind of doesn't want Liam to talk about being worried about fan reactions. As if Liam is still supposed to keep up that I-don't-give-a-fuck-front at all times Of course he cares about what people think about him, everybody does. And everybody is insecure sometimes. As for being successful without the other one I can see where NL4E is coming from (and I don't think he's trying to diminish Liam's role with what he says) but I agree more with gdforever. Noel probably wouldn't have been confident enough to be a really good front man. He might have become a songwriter for other people but in that business it's also quite difficult to get a foot in the door. I think neither one of them would have actually wanted to try it alone. I don't think Liam would have even considered being a singer if it wasn't for Noel. One of my favourite Liam quotes is that he got into music because one of Noel songs. Noel's answer to that was along the lines of 'You've been in the band before me, you idiot' ;D but I think Liam was telling the truth there. He was probably one of the only people who knew all of Noel's songs and he loved them. Noel was just trying to be obscure about it, because far be it from them to publicly admit that they actually like and admire each other Around 94 Noel also said things like if one combined certain character traits of Liam and himself then one would get a really great person ;D, so the admiration definitely went both ways. And I also think the 'I'm his muse' statement has some truth in it. I don't think Noel would have even written songs like Rock'n Roll Star, C&A, Headshrinker or DYKWIM if it wasn't for Liam. And songs like LF, Slide Away or Wonderwall (the original version) even though they already are really amazing pieces of music on their own are made even better by Liam's vocals.
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Post by lucahelvetica on Apr 19, 2011 1:24:48 GMT -5
Just to go back to the point about demoing soon, anyone know when they have time? Does the lack of Japanese dates allow for some demoing to be done then?
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Post by songbirdsally on Apr 19, 2011 2:25:19 GMT -5
That point is perfectly legit. I have yet to see anyone on here defend BDI without Noel. We all very well know that Noel would have added, and not detracted from DGSS. Well, then I am the first one No seriously, I completely disagree with this. While Noel definitely could have added to DGSS, he definitely wouldn't. With Noel in the band, this album would have never been made. Songs like The Roller, Millionaire, Kill For A Dream and basicly 3/4 of the album allready existed during Oasis and Noel for some reason didn't want to use them on an album. I'm more than happy this songs saw the daylight after all And to add a little to the endless discussion of Liam making it without Noel and vice versa: it's one of the most ridiculous discussions ever. We will never know! All we know was that Liam was in a band called Rain. He was basicly exactly the same frontman back then as in the early years of Oasis. All that was lacking was some good songs and someone to steer the band properly. Noel provided both. (But maybe someone else could've done that as well). Noel was writing songs on his own and he auditionned for singer in 'Inspiral Carpets'. He was not found good enough to be the singer, but was given the job of roadie instead. He was perfectly happy as a roadie (he refers to this in a lot of interviews) so I highly doubt if he would have started a solo-career or a band by himself. Liam even had to ask him a couple of times before he actually agreed to join Oasis.
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Post by Officer Jim Kurring on Apr 19, 2011 5:32:43 GMT -5
Do you guys think it means he feels guilty/responsible for what happened? yes. No seriously, I completely disagree with this. While Noel definitely could have added to DGSS, he definitely wouldn't. With Noel in the band, this album would have never been made. Songs like The Roller, Millionaire, Kill For A Dream and basicly 3/4 of the album allready existed during Oasis and Noel for some reason didn't want to use them on an album. I'm more than happy this songs saw the daylight after all there's probably a reason for that. those are three of the weakest songs on the album. God, i hate those fucking songs. All we know was that Liam was in a band called Rain. He was basicly exactly the same frontman back then as in the early years of Oasis. All that was lacking was some good songs and someone to steer the band properly. Noel provided both. (But maybe someone else could've done that as well). Noel was writing songs on his own and he auditionned for singer in 'Inspiral Carpets'. He was not found good enough to be the singer, but was given the job of roadie instead. He was perfectly happy as a roadie (he refers to this in a lot of interviews) so I highly doubt if he would have started a solo-career or a band by himself. Liam even had to ask him a couple of times before he actually agreed to join Oasis. obviously, Rain could've found someone else. but, Noel's one of the best songwriters to come out of England in quite sometime, that has to be considered. and also, Noel has the personality and charisma to be a frontman, that's something you're born with - while roadieing for the Inspriral Carpets he probably wasn't developed as a songwriter and person yet.
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Post by agnhi on Apr 19, 2011 7:31:37 GMT -5
Do you guys think it means he feels guilty/responsible for what happened? yes. I think he does feel guilty and responsible but not alone. He's said so many times in non-aggressive way that it's his and Noel's fault and no one elses. Both of theirs. So yes, he knows it's his fault but I really do believe it's not exclusively his, as some of the fans seem to believe.
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Post by Officer Jim Kurring on Apr 19, 2011 7:44:03 GMT -5
I think he does feel guilty and responsible but not alone. He's said so many times in non-aggressive way that it's his and Noel's fault and no one elses. Both of theirs. So yes, he knows it's his fault but I really do believe it's not exclusively his, as some of the fans seem to believe. yeah. Noel and Liam are two totally different people. it's easy to see how they'd clash by watching their interviews. but, i would say i could see how Liam probably made the situation more unbearable, or didn't help the situation. it's also nice to see Liam taking some responsibilty, or acknowledging his part. even if not directly, or maybe not even realizing it.
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Post by songbirdsally on Apr 19, 2011 15:12:43 GMT -5
Do you guys think it means he feels guilty/responsible for what happened? yes. I don't think that's what he meant in the interview. I think what he meant was that he knew that press & Noel always described him as 'the bad guy' and therefore people would easily think it was all his fault. Which is exactly what a load of casual Oasis fans seem to do. And Noels statement didn't really help either. (God I hate him for that statement, he knew all to well what he was doing there!)
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Post by Officer Jim Kurring on Apr 20, 2011 9:17:06 GMT -5
I don't think that's what he meant in the interview. I think what he meant was that he knew that press & Noel always described him as 'the bad guy' and therefore people would easily think it was all his fault. Which is exactly what a load of casual Oasis fans seem to do. And Noels statement didn't really help either. (God I hate him for that statement, he knew all to well what he was doing there!) But funnily enough, Liam's off on a rant about his big brother within a minute, questioning why he got off 'scott free'. He then claims his paranoia surrounding the issue of who was to 'blame' for Oasis' demise was so bad he actually thought him being bottled off the stage on that first gig in Glasgow wasn't out of the question.that's a suspect thought/statement.
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Post by agnhi on Apr 20, 2011 13:33:08 GMT -5
Let It Bleed, that still sounds more like him just being worried if everyone thinks it's all 100% his fault, instead of him feeling it's all his fault and him fearing he'll get bottled for it.
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Post by gdforever on Apr 20, 2011 13:51:22 GMT -5
^ I don't see how you are disagreeing.
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Post by mezmerised on Apr 20, 2011 15:56:19 GMT -5
To me the difference is that Let it Bleed makes it sound as if Liam was worried that the fans might blame him for the break up because he knows that he was (partly) responsible for it. I think Liam was just worried that fans might blame him anyway no matter what really happened.
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Post by rmillis on Apr 20, 2011 23:07:40 GMT -5
wow... all this time i kept on wondering why people hated this dude so much, why he had such a bad rep and why everyone just basically rolled their eyes every time he posted a comment. Turns out NL4E is a complete and utter moron. Someone notify Webster Dictionary - New definition of moron: "Anyone who disagrees with lgfaver" Agreed. I've noticed lately that if anyone disagrees with him he either personally attacks them or declares the discussion over.
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Post by okwhatever on Apr 21, 2011 3:16:43 GMT -5
I don't think that's what he meant in the interview. I think what he meant was that he knew that press & Noel always described him as 'the bad guy' and therefore people would easily think it was all his fault. Which is exactly what a load of casual Oasis fans seem to do. And Noels statement didn't really help either. (God I hate him for that statement, he knew all to well what he was doing there!) +1 because I agree with you
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Post by Officer Jim Kurring on Apr 21, 2011 15:06:16 GMT -5
all you sisters stick together.
paranoia is nine-tenths of the law.
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Post by ruchin on Apr 22, 2011 17:36:42 GMT -5
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