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Post by thepicturesgeneration on Apr 6, 2011 21:34:21 GMT -5
Listen to Noel singing morning glory on unplugged and tell me he is not pitch corrected. that is the most obvious example. I'd say their "personalities" towards singing are pretty similar. If you don't realize that auto tune is used on most recordings and you think T-pain is the only person who uses it most of the time, get your ears checked. there's a difference between the robot voice and vocal pitch correction that you catch only if you know what to listen for. the best and earliest example i can think of is Noel singing morning glory at unplugged. ("you know should so i guess that you might as welllll") If you're gonna sit and say liam doesnt have pitch problems ever, again, you seem stuck in this belief that liam is superhuman and a trained singer.
With your experience, i'd love to know how you think that it's 1%. Maybe you work with guys who don't believe in it. I certainly don't like auto-tune, but it's become an ugly "necessity" to some, and when exactly do you think they use it, if you're acknowledging they use it?
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Post by ToneBender on Apr 6, 2011 22:20:33 GMT -5
As I said, they couldn't use Auto-tune on Unplugged since it didn't exist then. At that time the common manner for pitch correction was literally doing pitch shifting on a sample by sample basis or, if it was tape, changing the playback speed.
As far as it's use in most modern releases? You tell me that it should be obvious enough to have my hearing checked and then say you need to know what to listen for to be able to detect pitch correction. I think my ears are quite good, thanks. They've gotten me pretty far thus far. I've heard pitch correction used on Waiting For The Rapture rather obviously. Having listened to the rest of the DOYS acapellas, I didn't notice it elsewhere on that record nor have I heard any glaring examples on other records.
Finally, I never said Liam has no pitch problems ever. I said that historically the issues have been with hoarseness and breathing problems. I don't think that is something that can really be refuted.
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Post by shoofee on Apr 6, 2011 23:10:16 GMT -5
He's not auto-tuned. There is definitely filtering going on though. Common practice, theres probably very few acts that don't use it in some fashion. Its not cheating, its using technology to your advantage. Considering it was a short 8 hour session that they banged this out and also considering how ragged Liam has sounded in places (only judging from bootlegs) prior to this session (not counting RAH) it'd not be a surprise whatsoever if they ran it through Pro Tools to fix up the vocal mix. Big fucking deal.
At the end of the day though, it doesn't matter. IMO It's a shit throwaway cover that is artistically devoid of anything worth remembering. It's pretty much the 2nd worst cover of this song by a professional/major label act that I've ever heard and I would rank Liam's vocal performance as his second worst ever behind The Quiet Ones.
I think the gesture of making the track available for donations is wonderful, artistically its about as interesting as what color Liam's turds were on the same day. It's fucking awful.
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Post by rcknrollstar on Apr 7, 2011 1:35:30 GMT -5
And why wouldn't you use auto-tune if it improves the vocals? Doesn't mean Liam's got big issues. Just to fix the small errors every now and then. Would you rather listen to a auto-tuned nice version of the song or one where the vocals are out of tune?
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Post by Leezy on Apr 7, 2011 4:51:45 GMT -5
How the fuck did we get onto this topic anyhow?
As others have said, Auto-Tune didn't even come out until after Be Here Now. Why we talking about Liam anyhow, in the studio he can probably knock out almost pitch perfect takes (that one of him in the booth singing 'Scorpio Rising' pretty much backs up what Death In Vegas said about it all being one single take),
Noel on the other hand.... he's probably the one that might have needed a bit of Auto-Tune here n there (the falsetto part on 'The Importance Of Being Idle' possibly?).
Got quite a bit of knowledge and some experience of recording professionally, was helping to engineer with a band at Miloco Studios in London a few months back.
The singer we had wasn't the best but the producer managed to get the best out of him. All that went on was a number of takes, sometimes just running through each section individually, then it was all comp'ed into one really good take.
I'm sure Auto-Tune does get a fair bit of use professionally, but me personally, I'd rather do things the good-old-fashioned way and get as much as I could from the singer naturally, rather than relying on a tool to cheat.
OH YEAH, IF NOEL CAN NAIL THE CHORUS TO 'ACQUIESCE' IN THE STUDIO BEFORE THE INVENTION OF AUTO-TUNE THEN I'M SURE WITH ENOUGH TAKES VOCALS CAN BE SPOT ON WITHOUT IT...
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