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Post by shoes222 on Apr 4, 2011 16:08:12 GMT -5
I dont really see why people dont like it. His voice sounds good to me and I like it. I think Liam's voice doesn't need to be retouched for this song. His vocals were already retouched whether you want to admit that fact or not. |
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Post by simmo on Apr 4, 2011 16:19:02 GMT -5
Liam's breathing is technically terrible. How a singer of a huge band for 20 years still takes a breath mid word on a record is beyond me. And its not like he doesn't have time to breathe before that will be long enough to last the line.
Hearing that pisses me off coz it is about technically proficient as a professional drummer playing a whole recording without realising his snare isn't turned on. Or indeed, a guitarist not tuning his guitar properly.
It's absolutely schoolboy and ruins an otherwise good version
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Post by bluemagpie on Apr 4, 2011 16:19:22 GMT -5
Ugh. I can't even get my payment to go through.
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Post by deadman on Apr 4, 2011 16:21:03 GMT -5
Good. It obviously means they're selling shitloads if the servers are having trouble. Some people should calm down.
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Post by bluemagpie on Apr 4, 2011 16:46:18 GMT -5
^Not really, it says my card's declined when it shouldn't be. I don't think that's a server issue (hope it is...)
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Post by oct71952 on Apr 4, 2011 16:48:46 GMT -5
Liam's breathing is technically terrible. How a singer of a huge band for 20 years still takes a breath mid word on a record is beyond me. And its not like he doesn't have time to breathe before that will be long enough to last the line. Hearing that pisses me off coz it is about technically proficient as a professional drummer playing a whole recording without realising his snare isn't turned on. Or indeed, a guitarist not tuning his guitar properly. It's absolutely schoolboy and ruins an otherwise good version Maybe you care too much about this? The breathing problem never bothers me, actually I didn't realize it till now. All that I pay attention to is his voice. And I love it. singing, esp. of a rock band singer I don't think is as technical as playing guitar or drum. They cannot be compared in certain aspects. |
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Post by Bellboy on Apr 4, 2011 16:52:10 GMT -5
Downloaded no probs. Done my bit.
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Post by simmo on Apr 4, 2011 17:21:55 GMT -5
Liam's breathing is technically terrible. How a singer of a huge band for 20 years still takes a breath mid word on a record is beyond me. And its not like he doesn't have time to breathe before that will be long enough to last the line. Hearing that pisses me off coz it is about technically proficient as a professional drummer playing a whole recording without realising his snare isn't turned on. Or indeed, a guitarist not tuning his guitar properly. It's absolutely schoolboy and ruins an otherwise good version Maybe you care too much about this? The breathing problem never bothers me, actually I didn't realize it till now. All that I pay attention to is his voice. And I love it. singing, esp. of a rock band singer I don't think is as technical as playing guitar or drum. They cannot be compared in certain aspects. Its a fair point, i probably do care too much, but i like i'm sure you and everyone want him to sound as good as possible and this is just such a schoolboy thing. And your point about it not being as technical, i couldn't disagree any more, yeah we want him to be the Johnny Rotten Rock n Roll, 7 Pints on stage before hand, of course, but then again i don't wanna pay £50 to see him sing like he did at the electric proms. He can box smart, he can play the game as if he don't care and its just rock n roll, but he can look after his goods at the same time. I know for a fact that Noel does, and if you comapre some of his vocals from the first live tours to the depth and tone of his brilliant range now....well it shows it pays off. If Liam had a bit more technique, and i mean basic stuff, not like a pop/rnb/soul singer, just rudimentary basic stuff like being able to last more than 3 words before having to breathe mid phrase (like he did on ATU last night) he would be sooooo much better these days, certainly more consistent. |
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Post by NYR on Apr 4, 2011 17:24:52 GMT -5
Shut your trap. Its perfectly legitimate to criticize it musically. If a band puts out a song, it can be criticized regardless if its for charity. No one is knocking the reasoning behind the release. Artistically its crap. Sorry, I didn't realise you had released a top-10 album in the face of the full force of the pop music juggernaut. Oh wait...you haven't, so jog the fuck on. You ain't got nothin' on Beady Eye. ♫ we call you the troller, ah ah ah... ♫ |
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Post by simmo on Apr 4, 2011 17:29:59 GMT -5
Kelly Jones. He's not everyones cuppa but he's reasonably rock n roll to a degree, growly voice, screams out sometimes, drinks beer onstage, like he's just a bloke who got lucky and could be one of the crowd. In the wider picture he's quite interchangeable with Liam, similar ident in many ways.
But did you hear KJ sing last night? That's a man who knows how to box smart when it comes to his persona he projects whilst simultaenously respecting his profession and acknowledging what he has to do. People have said for years on this very forum "get some singing lessons liam, just a handful" but then you hear ATU last night. Woeful. And i love Liam, really will him on every time, but he should think smart now, he's nearly 40.
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Post by simmo on Apr 4, 2011 17:41:41 GMT -5
Sorry to bang on, ha.
But yeah, take two footballers who were explosive both in ability and personality around the same age. Ryan Giggs and Robbie Fowler
Ryan Giggs realised in his early 30s to maintain his standards he was gonna have to up his professional level, as he couldnt get away with just the wild dribbles down the left as he'd lost his pace. So he basicalled knuckled down to protect his career and more importantly his CREDIBILITY and is now 37 and a fucking unbelievably technical player in pretty much an entirely different role to what he played the first 13 years, even won Player of the Year last year. And i fucking hate Man Utd.
Robbie Fowler was a wild kid, took drugs, shagged around, whilst still being a brilliant player. His early 30s come and just carried on, thinking he could get away with it.
Hes a laughing stock now in the Australian 2nd division. Both are the same age.
I don't want Liam to turn into Robbie Fowler!!!! I played mates ATU earlier and do you know what they did?
They laughed as it was so bad. He's gotta maintain that credibility...
...like Beatles and Stones did
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Post by songbirdsally on Apr 4, 2011 18:17:08 GMT -5
Strange that so many of you seem to have problems with the download.
I downloaded it straight away when I saw the message, and it took like maximum 10sec to download the whole song..
EDIT: For the people that have real problems with the download, I put in on YouTube (BUT YOU SHOULD ALL BUY THE SONG AS IT IS FOR A GOOD CAUSE!)
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Post by ToneBender on Apr 4, 2011 18:19:59 GMT -5
How exactly is Liam's voice "retouched"? Double tracking? His voice is processed exactly in the same manner that Lennon's was on the original release of Let It Be with a little slap back echo added.
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Post by thuperthonic on Apr 4, 2011 20:06:17 GMT -5
How exactly is Liam's voice "retouched"? Double tracking? His voice is processed exactly in the same manner that Lennon's was on the original release of Let It Be with a little slap back echo added. It wasn't worked on much; People who know nothing about recording are talking out of their arses. |
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Post by Silence Dogood on Apr 4, 2011 20:11:00 GMT -5
love the song and i really love this cover.
had no problems downloading, it was a bit slow tho...
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Post by thepicturesgeneration on Apr 4, 2011 21:30:26 GMT -5
You have no idea how easy it is to pitch correct a song and have it sound transparent. I'm sure if liam's actual untouched, raw, vocal were ever to be released you would all shut up.
Liam's singing is about 1% effort, 99% personality. He rarely puts in the effort, even in the old days, but he was naturally more fit. You can tell singing (HIS PROFESSION) has become a struggle. Whether you care or not is up to you, but I just know he can do better. that's what bothers me.
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Post by supernovadragon on Apr 5, 2011 3:15:02 GMT -5
Finally got mine down after giving up last night. I do like it. I, personally, can't tell the touch up.
I really do like it
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Post by nev on Apr 5, 2011 3:31:46 GMT -5
i had trouble with it, the first two times it went very slowly and eventually stopped and the third time it downloaded but would only play 5 seconds of the whole thing, worked this morning though, think its absolute quality though
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Post by wooboos on Apr 5, 2011 4:49:02 GMT -5
worked a treat for me. excellent idea by the band too, 99p is a bargain.
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Post by ToneBender on Apr 5, 2011 7:11:11 GMT -5
You have no idea how easy it is to pitch correct a song and have it sound transparent. I'm sure if liam's actual untouched, raw, vocal were ever to be released you would all shut up. Hmm...so you're saying that it's clearly audible when a vocal track has been pitch corrected? Like say between :16 and :20 on this track? And 46: to :48? If it's so easy to be transparent, how are you so sure that Liam had his vocals pitch corrected on Across The Universe? No one will deny that the song is in the upper reaches of his vocal range but nothing about it sounds pitch corrected. It does however sound like it has modulation on it (which is not pitch correction but if anything a slight chorusing effect), just as the original Lennon vocal had. |
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Post by matt on Apr 5, 2011 9:02:32 GMT -5
Sorry to bang on, ha. But yeah, take two footballers who were explosive both in ability and personality around the same age. Ryan Giggs and Robbie Fowler Ryan Giggs realised in his early 30s to maintain his standards he was gonna have to up his professional level, as he couldnt get away with just the wild dribbles down the left as he'd lost his pace. So he basicalled knuckled down to protect his career and more importantly his CREDIBILITY and is now 37 and a fucking unbelievably technical player in pretty much an entirely different role to what he played the first 13 years, even won Player of the Year last year. And i fucking hate Man Utd. Robbie Fowler was a wild kid, took drugs, shagged around, whilst still being a brilliant player. His early 30s come and just carried on, thinking he could get away with it. Hes a laughing stock now in the Australian 2nd division. Both are the same age. I don't want Liam to turn into Robbie Fowler!!!! I played mates ATU earlier and do you know what they did? They laughed as it was so bad. He's gotta maintain that credibility... ...like Beatles and Stones did Robbie Fowler never took drugs, I'm sure he's probably shagged around like most dunderheaded footballers but I think the whole drugs thing was false accusations. |
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Post by styles on Apr 5, 2011 9:09:03 GMT -5
Basically no-one would be sayin anything about the pitch correction had Liam not sung the same song so poorly the previous night. It's just everyones currently got their panties in a twist about his voice packing up again mid-tour after one dodgy night on the booze.
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Post by rcknrollstar on Apr 5, 2011 9:24:30 GMT -5
Did anyone notice this version is tuned up? (or higher pitch, what's the word?  ) |
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Post by themagpie on Apr 5, 2011 10:39:43 GMT -5
simmo.....
you must know fuck all about football.... fowler never took drugs...
had many serious injurys
and is one of the richests footballers because he is a smart man.
its not his fault his body let him down.
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Post by simmo on Apr 5, 2011 13:00:43 GMT -5
Themagpie, get the sand out your vagina you silly sausage! My point is that he was a deliquent. Yeah we all know he bought 90 houses etc and Fowler was never arrested for drugs no, you are right on that, but if you think his snorting the white line didn't allude to anything else you are perhaps the most naive fanny fart i've encountered to date. Or perhaps you know fuck all about football yourself that you believed Houllier's hilarious explanation that Fowler was "eating the grass"? www.guardian.co.uk/football/1999/apr/10/newsstory.sport4More of the kinda thing i meant. Don't see Giggs doing it do you? That was my point. No need to get all "you must know fuck all about football" about it now do we dear? If you would prefer to use Collymore as an example, feel free, but to get bogged down in the pedantic details is a all bit silly. Kisses xx |
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