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Post by cliffriff on Mar 12, 2011 23:46:29 GMT -5
I like the song, don't get me wrong (although it really is a slow downed version of It's A Small World After All) But it's not a classic for me because it lacks dynamics. The style and vibe is similar to RM, but RM is interesting - it builds to an epic ending with a guitar break in there too. TBGO is just too bland. It has potential, but it just doesn't go anywhere. Once you heard the first verse and chorus, you've heard the entire song. " |
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Post by thestellasarecold on Mar 12, 2011 23:50:09 GMT -5
For sure. The best Noel Gallagher penned Oasis tunes really are timeless and they still retain their sparkle today.
All the Beady Eye tracks are listenable; solid enough but a bit 'ho hum'. No matter how often he lifted others' work, Noel always added that unique touch that made the best Oasis tracks so special. Beady Eye- great musicians but an unremarkable collection of tracks that are well made and produced. Positives- the songs have an immediacy that makes them feel 'shiny and fast' and unselfconscious and that is what the non-hardcore fans found likeable about a track like Bring The Light. Furthermore, Liam has an ability to give even the dullest songs more gravitas with his unique pipes. TBGO is a 'rent a ballad' kind of pastiche IMO; enjoyable but at the same time a little winsome; 'gig in the sky' and all that. I don't think it even gets close to some of the so called 'lesser' Oasis ballads like Don't Go Away and Stop Crying Your Heart Out.
Many of the tracks on this record have sweet melodies but they really don't soar like a Champagne Supernova or a Slide Away. There are no 'special touches' that take them to the next level and I think that's the difference between average songwriters (LAG) and great ones (Noel). Look at the intro of Slide Away; it just screams 'yearning' and then you launch into the song proper and it takes you other places. A Track like KFAD is okay but you simply have that repeating guitar motif over the melody and that's it until the fade out. Same with TBGO. Wigwam and The Morning Son are typical Liam- limited lyrical and musical sketchiness fleshed out by other instrumentation; impressive sounding on the record but kind of empty (and that actually IS Paul McCartney underneath the dense noise at the end of Wigwam!).
I mean, the 'sha-la-las' and 'na-na-nas' were wearing thin by the BHN days but they've even brought them back wholesale on this record. I was waiting for something that didn't come on these tunes; 'the next level'. Maybe they'll manage to do it on a second album?
If I had to pick a few favourites- FLW, Millionaire and I actually quite like Wind Up Dream with its mix of Proud Mary and Glass Onion. Three Ring Circus I enjoyed initially but it kind of pails with repeated listens. I listened to Wally Raffles by You Am I afterwards because someone on here mentioned it had a similar guitar part to TRC. There were small similarities but You Am I's track struck me as a far better rock song.
So DGSS is solid enough yes, it's a decent listen and better than most of us thought. There are still bands around though, You Am I amongst them, that are exploring the same kind of genre as Beady Eye but doing it better.
I would say there are songs on DGSS that are better than certain songs on recent Oasis records but I think tracks like The Importance of Being Idle and Falling Down will always get more plays on my ipod than anything of Beady Eye's current stuff...
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 13, 2011 0:52:50 GMT -5
For sure. The best Noel Gallagher penned Oasis tunes really are timeless and they still retain their sparkle today. All the Beady Eye tracks are listenable; solid enough but a bit 'ho hum'. No matter how often he lifted others' work, Noel always added that unique touch that made the best Oasis tracks so special. Beady Eye- great musicians but an unremarkable collection of tracks that are well made and produced. Positives- the songs have an immediacy that makes them feel 'shiny and fast' and unselfconscious and that is what the non-hardcore fans found likeable about a track like Bring The Light. Furthermore, Liam has an ability to give even the dullest songs more gravitas with his unique pipes. TBGO is a 'rent a ballad' kind of pastiche IMO; enjoyable but at the same time a little winsome; 'gig in the sky' and all that. I don't think it even gets close to some of the so called 'lesser' Oasis ballads like Don't Go Away and Stop Crying Your Heart Out. Many of the tracks on this record have sweet melodies but they really don't soar like a Champagne Supernova or a Slide Away. There are no 'special touches' that take them to the next level and I think that's the difference between average songwriters (LAG) and great ones (Noel). Look at the intro of Slide Away; it just screams 'yearning' and then you launch into the song proper and it takes you other places. A Track like KFAD is okay but you simply have that repeating guitar motif over the melody and that's it until the fade out. Same with TBGO. Wigwam and The Morning Son are typical Liam- limited lyrical and musical sketchiness fleshed out by other instrumentation; impressive sounding on the record but kind of empty (and that actually IS Paul McCartney underneath the dense noise at the end of Wigwam!). I mean, the 'sha-la-las' and 'na-na-nas' were wearing thin by the BHN days but they've even brought them back wholesale on this record. I was waiting for something that didn't come on these tunes; 'the next level'. Maybe they'll manage to do it on a second album? If I had to pick a few favourites- FLW, Millionaire and I actually quite like Wind Up Dream with its mix of Proud Mary and Glass Onion. Three Ring Circus I enjoyed initially but it kind of pails with repeated listens. I listened to Wally Raffles by You Am I afterwards because someone on here mentioned it had a similar guitar part to TRC. There were small similarities but You Am I's track struck me as a far better rock song. So DGSS is solid enough yes, it's a decent listen and better than most of us thought. There are still bands around though, You Am I amongst them, that are exploring the same kind of genre as Beady Eye but doing it better. I would say there are songs on DGSS that are better than certain songs on recent Oasis records but I think tracks like The Importance of Being Idle and Falling Down will always get more plays on my ipod than anything of Beady Eye's current stuff... Fantastic post (and fantastic username) - I agree with almost everything you have stated here. |
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Post by space75gr on Mar 13, 2011 5:56:25 GMT -5
The Beat Goes On is definitely a classic.
-great melody
-right lenght (not too big , not too short)
-lines in lyrics that stay forever
"I'm misunderstood
And wasted on money and fame
I'll throw it away
Just to prove that I can
I'm the last of a dying breed
And it's not the end of the world, oh no
It's not even the end of the day"
-a catchy & massive chorus , perfect for singalongs , even for the bathroom or in front of the mirror!all together ...
"So long, so long
Someday all the world will sing my song
Still life remains
Somewhere in my heart the beat goes on"
-great vocals by Liam
-a song that they could play it with any possible way: acoustic with just one guitar , with piano , with Be here Now style wall of sound guitars or even an orchestra.
-a song that many artists could cover
-love with the first listen
if that was a 1995-1997 tune it could be #1 for ages with million sales.i put it next to oasis classic ballads.
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Post by gdforever on Mar 13, 2011 12:36:39 GMT -5
^ I don't care when it's from...It doesn't sound that amazing next to Wonderwall, Slide Away, Don't Go Away, Cast No Shadow.
If it were on a 90's Oasis album it wouldn't sound horrible...but it wouldn't be one of the best tune on it. It would have been a great b-side from that era though.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 13, 2011 13:03:46 GMT -5
Everyone on this forum seems to have an obsession with the structure of a song. Most aswell don't seem to be happy unless if follows the same formula. I've never thought of songwriting as being a rigid, inflexible concept.
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Post by gdforever on Mar 13, 2011 13:46:10 GMT -5
^ I think the biggest problem most people have is the lack of ingenuity in the songs...song structure included.
It's not that they went somewhere weird with the song structure and we all reacted badly...it's that some find the structures/songs a bit simplistic and so @ times boring.
Noone is saying that the songs NEED to be stuctured a certain way...just that there should be some progression or evolution from the beginning of the song to the end. Noone is saying HOW that should be done...just that it didn't, which is unfortunate.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 13, 2011 13:58:10 GMT -5
Why should they being anything other than what they are? I'm a dylan fan so i'm used to songs that don't have middle 8's and a pre-chorus. Simplicity in a song has never been a problem for me when judging whether I like it or not.
The outrage on here that TSOTL didn't have a 'proper chorus' was really hilarious.
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Post by gdforever on Mar 13, 2011 15:08:03 GMT -5
Every song has to have something that makes it special...something that gives it that extra boost.
It could be a massive chorus, a drum solo or unique drum breakdown, a great middle 8, an amazing bridge, a key change @ the right time, a guitar solo or even just a unique guitar part that crops up, a change in the melody...it could be alot of things.
It doesn't have to be the same thing for every tune. But there needs to be something.
I think some of us are just trying to figure out what it is that the tunes are lacking that are lacking that we don't feel as pulled in to the music as we want to be.
...I don't care about the fan reaction to TSOTL...that is a complaint that seems to have died away...it's possible that all these concerns will die away as well...but I doubt it on my end @ least
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Mar 13, 2011 16:32:45 GMT -5
I didn't really like TBGO at first. Its grown on me a lot, but I think its too bland to be a "classic". It doesn't really go anyway, and as somebody pointed out about the album, there aren't any "special touches" to make it stand out. For example, Four Letter Word has the snarl and the riff, Millionaire has a really good melody, where as TBGO is quite generic. Its not a bad song, its just not a classic.
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Post by bluemagpie on Mar 13, 2011 17:43:59 GMT -5
It's one of the better songs on the album and it's got a nice melody and some decent lyrics. But it lacks anything really special, and what it's got isn't enough to make it a classic.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 13, 2011 18:39:48 GMT -5
Every song has to have something that makes it special...something that gives it that extra boost. It could be a massive chorus, a drum solo or unique drum breakdown, a great middle 8, an amazing bridge, a key change @ the right time, a guitar solo or even just a unique guitar part that crops up, a change in the melody...it could be alot of things. It doesn't have to be the same thing for every tune. But there needs to be something. I think some of us are just trying to figure out what it is that the tunes are lacking that are lacking that we don't feel as pulled in to the music as we want to be. ...I don't care about the fan reaction to TSOTL...that is a complaint that seems to have died away...it's possible that all these concerns will die away as well...but I doubt it on my end @ least hahaha Yeah thanks for the song tutorial ffs. The two things you miss out in your list are the lyrics and the voice that sings them. They can make a song special. Again as a dylan fan I can appreciate that. TBGO is not a classic to me, probably never will be. But it is very good and imo its because Liam takes a decent tune and with a brilliant vocal takes it to something better. Something he did for Noel on a regular basis. |
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Post by gdforever on Mar 13, 2011 19:10:35 GMT -5
Every song has to have something that makes it special...something that gives it that extra boost. It could be a massive chorus, a drum solo or unique drum breakdown, a great middle 8, an amazing bridge, a key change @ the right time, a guitar solo or even just a unique guitar part that crops up, a change in the melody...it could be alot of things. It doesn't have to be the same thing for every tune. But there needs to be something. I think some of us are just trying to figure out what it is that the tunes are lacking that are lacking that we don't feel as pulled in to the music as we want to be. ...I don't care about the fan reaction to TSOTL...that is a complaint that seems to have died away...it's possible that all these concerns will die away as well...but I doubt it on my end @ least hahaha Yeah thanks for the song tutorial ffs. The two things you miss out in your list are the lyrics and the voice that sings them. They can make a song special. Again as a dylan fan I can appreciate that. TBGO is not a classic to me, probably never will be. But it is very good and imo its because Liam takes a decent tune and with a brilliant vocal takes it to something better. Something he did for Noel on a regular basis. Obviously my list isn't exhaustive. And the lyrics aren't THAT great. And I don't think a voice by itself makes a classic. Liam sings ALL the songs on the album...a voice doesn't make them all classics. |
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Post by rkidcd on Mar 13, 2011 19:14:08 GMT -5
A song doesn't have to have anything particular to become a classic. A guitar solo isn't essential, I think the piano solo works really well. A song doesn't have to have a key change either. As far as i'm concerned TBGO has the potential to become a classic. From my first listen it blew my mind and it still does after 200 odd listens.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 13, 2011 19:19:16 GMT -5
hahaha Yeah thanks for the song tutorial ffs. The two things you miss out in your list are the lyrics and the voice that sings them. They can make a song special. Again as a dylan fan I can appreciate that. TBGO is not a classic to me, probably never will be. But it is very good and imo its because Liam takes a decent tune and with a brilliant vocal takes it to something better. Something he did for Noel on a regular basis. Obviously my list isn't exhaustive. And the lyrics aren't THAT great. And I don't think a voice by itself makes a classic. Liam sings ALL the songs on the album...a voice doesn't make them all classics. Obviously not. Nah not all the lyrics are, something you could say of both Beady Eye and Oasis songs. But Liam does sound great on this and there are some great lines. Where did I say they were all classics? A great vocal can make a song special or better at least thats all. He doesn't do that on all the songs but then I didn't say that he did. |
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Post by gdforever on Mar 13, 2011 19:24:12 GMT -5
A song doesn't have to have anything particular to become a classic. A guitar solo isn't essential, I think the piano solo works really well. A song doesn't have to have a key change either. As far as i'm concerned TBGO has the potential to become a classic. From my first listen it blew my mind and it still does after 200 odd listens. Thy aren't ands...they are ors. |
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Post by gdforever on Mar 13, 2011 19:27:33 GMT -5
Obviously my list isn't exhaustive. And the lyrics aren't THAT great. And I don't think a voice by itself makes a classic. Liam sings ALL the songs on the album...a voice doesn't make them all classics. Obviously not. Nah not all the lyrics are, something you could say of both Beady Eye and Oasis songs. But Liam does sound great on this and there are some great lines. Where did I say they were all classics? A great vocal can make a song special or better at least thats all. He doesn't do that on all the songs but then I didn't say that he did. You don't think it's a classic...I don't think it's a classic. End of. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 13, 2011 19:35:08 GMT -5
Obviously not. Nah not all the lyrics are, something you could say of both Beady Eye and Oasis songs. But Liam does sound great on this and there are some great lines. Where did I say they were all classics? A great vocal can make a song special or better at least thats all. He doesn't do that on all the songs but then I didn't say that he did. You don't think it's a classic...I don't think it's a classic. End of. haha you really are an awful bore, as soon as you don't have anything you become short or spiteful rather than except a point put to you. I'm just glad you didn't come back with an essay, i'm pretty tired as it is. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 13, 2011 19:37:35 GMT -5
hahahah you have smited me for what?
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Post by rkidcd on Mar 13, 2011 19:47:15 GMT -5
A song doesn't have to have anything particular to become a classic. A guitar solo isn't essential, I think the piano solo works really well. A song doesn't have to have a key change either. As far as i'm concerned TBGO has the potential to become a classic. From my first listen it blew my mind and it still does after 200 odd listens. Thy aren't ands...they are ors. you have lost me |
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Post by gdforever on Mar 13, 2011 19:53:58 GMT -5
You don't think it's a classic...I don't think it's a classic. End of. haha you really are an awful bore, as soon as you don't have anything you become short or spiteful rather than except a point put to you. I'm just glad you didn't come back with an essay, i'm pretty tired as it is. I could ramble and argue for ages. I don't agree with your last post either...and I could argue with it...but I chose not to. You don't even believe what you are arguing. So what is the point about having a discussion about what makes a classic when neither of us believe that the song in question is a classic? I'm not being spiteful...you are being argumentative. |
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Post by gdforever on Mar 13, 2011 19:55:58 GMT -5
hahahah you have smited me for what? I didn't smite you. You can see I am posting from an iPhone...smiting isn't even an option on the iPhone app. It's someone else that decided they didn't like something you posted somewhere. |
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Post by gdforever on Mar 13, 2011 20:00:47 GMT -5
Thy aren't ands...they are ors. you have lost me It's a list with ors not ands. Thing A or thing B or Thing C...not thing A and thing B and Thing C. I never said any one thing was essential...let alone that a classic song required all of them. I said a song needs something that makes it exceptional. And the list are some of the things other than basic song structure that I think can give a tune that extra boost. A song also doesn't need an amazing chorus to be a classic...but it can be the thing that boosts it to the next level. |
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Post by gdforever on Mar 13, 2011 20:01:19 GMT -5
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Post by Officer Jim Kurring on Mar 13, 2011 20:12:20 GMT -5
gdforever, what the fuck kinda drugs do you take?
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