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Post by BEng on Feb 17, 2011 16:57:44 GMT -5
The day after Noel left the band, he posted a statement on Oasis's website. The parts bemoaning the "verbal and violent intimidation" from Liam were no shock: the two had been at loggerheads for years. More surprising was Noel's complaint about "the lack of support and understanding" from his bandmates.
Liam almost explodes at the mention of that line. "Absolute fucking bollocks. That's the thing that makes me want to throw up. I just look at him now and think, 'You're a fucking fake.' It's like, if you want to fucking leave the band, leave the band. If you want to stay at home with your kids, stay at home with your kids. If you wanna have five years off, have five years off. We'll sit down as a band and talk about it. But don't start going, 'I was bullied out of the band.' Fucking shite."
Archer sighs. "That statement was surreal as fuck."
To the outsider, I say, it read like Liam and Noel had a huge row, and Noel was hurt that the others didn't back him up.
"Noel doesn't need backing," says Archer.
"Back him in what?" snorts Gallagher.
What, then, do they think he meant?
"I think he wrote it on the spur of the moment," says Bell, ever the peacemaker. "He's probably mortified now."
"Not that mortified, cos he's still got it up on the fucking website, which I've tried to take down," spits Gallagher.
"Has he?" asks Archer.
"It's been two fucking years," says Gallagher, sounding increasingly angry and hurt. "Take the fucking statement down. It's over. We're all grown up. We've all moved on."
They've moved on in many ways. There are broken televisions lying on the pavement outside the expensive London hotel where we meet; inside the hotel's boardroom the talk is of uppers and downers. Fifteen years ago, you'd have put money on the TV sets having been thrown from one of the hotel's upper windows, and the uppers and downers being amphetamines and barbiturates. In fact, the televisions have been left for collection by an engineer, and Beady Eye's members are discussing not drugs but coffee and hot chocolate.
It took alcohol, though, to give them the bravado to make the decision, immediately after Noel's departure, that they would continue as a band.
They could, you'd imagine, have played it safe and soldiered on as Oasis. After all, Liam chose the band's name back in 1991, before his brother even joined. And Noel's exit announcement did say he'd "quit" Oasis, rather than disbanding them. But today, gathered around the boardroom table of the Landmark hotel, sipping their hot chocolates, the members of Beady Eye insist continuing Oasis wasn't an option.
"Going around playing someone else's songs?" says Gallagher. "That's not cool, is it?"
"Oasis is an entity that is to do with Liam and Noel," agrees Bell, the mild-mannered former Ride guitarist who, like Archer, joined Oasis in 1999. "It was much better to go, 'Right – new band, new songs.'"
After a summer spent recording with producer Steve Lillywhite, the result is Beady Eye's debut album, Different Gear, Still Speeding. It is, predictably enough, a rock'n'roll album in thrall to the Stones, the La's – an old band of Sharrock's – and, of course, the Beatles. What's more surprising, given that Noel Gallagher was widely regarded as Oasis's only songwriting talent (and then as a diminishing one), is that it's quite good.
That's not to say it's a masterpiece. There are moments of toe-curling banality, but there are some fresh and impressive songs, too. If you didn't like Oasis, Different Gear, Still Speeding won't convert you. But if you found anything to enjoy in their last few records, it will be a treat.
If it had been an Oasis record, that band's fiercely loyal fanbase would presumably have already done the preordering necessary to have made it their eighth consecutive No 1 album. But success for Beady Eye isn't so assured. The band's first proper single, The Roller, stumbled into the charts at No 31 last month – not the ideal result for a singer who enjoyed 22 consecutive top 10 hits with Oasis.
"You'd prefer it to go in at No 1, wouldn't you?" shrugs Gallagher. "But it didn't happen."
His bandmates gamely begin to explain that the posters for the single haven't gone up yet and that the 7-inch is still to be released, but Gallagher interrupts them.
"Look, as far as we're concerned, that fucking tune is shit hot," he bristles. "Production-wise, singing, playing, the words – the lot. We couldn't have done any fucking better. That's the kind of music we like. If that's not what's fucking hip at the moment, then listen, we don't change our style. We'd like to be No 1 and everyone to be on the same page, but it's not gonna happen, is it? You ask George Bush that, do you know what I mean?"
Um, not exactly, no. But it is abundantly clear throughout our interview that although Gallagher is calmer and friendlier than he was when I first met him more than a decade ago, he's hardly averse to proclaiming his own greatness.
"Look, there's a big fucking spirit up there," says Gallagher, glancing skywards. "It was in Oasis and now it's in Beady Eye. And it said, 'If you think you're having a year off, you little fucking prick, you're tripping. Get out there!' And thank fuck for it. We used to speak about Oasis wanting to be the best band in the world. Well, that's how we feel in this. We wanna go round the world. We wanna inspire kids. We wanna play some great fucking gigs."
Beady Eye will play their first ever show at Glasgow's Barrowland on 3 March. When they do, they'll blast through their album, a B-side and a cover of a track by the early-90s Manchester band World of Twist. But they won't play any Oasis material. "That's where it's really gonna happen," says Gallagher with certainty, record sales be damned.
I happened to be in the audience the last time the four bandmates (and Noel) shared a stage. That was seven days before the Paris showdown, when Oasis headlined the Staffordshire leg of the 2009 V festival. Before them, a vast crowd bellowed, embraced and air-punched their way through the set. It's hard to imagine the Glasgow crowd will match that.
"It's a big ask," agrees Archer. "It could be Elvis fronting the Beatles up there, but if it's all brand-new songs … " He trails off. "It's gonna be a challenge."
"They're gonna fucking love it, mate," insists Gallagher. "I know what they like. We've got the same DNA. They're gonna dig it, cos we're gonna be on form, man. That's why we're rehearsing like fuck."
And if people do shout for Oasis songs?
"I've got a microphone, we've got guitars, we'll drown them out," says Gallagher. "They can shout what they fucking want."
It does, I say, seem a bit sad that he'll never sing those songs again.
"I did the whole Knebworth set in the shower earlier," Gallagher fires back. "It was fucking great."
Not for the first time today, all four members of Beady Eye fall about laughing. Without his older brother around to push his buttons, Gallagher seems steadied and contented, talking proudly about his kids, his fashion label and, of course, the new band. "We're having the time of our lives, mate," he says, to general agreement. It seems unlikely they'd have said the same in the final days of Oasis.
"I kind of felt it was winding up, man," says Gallagher of those last months. "There was loads of little things going on. Noel was removing himself from the band, travelling separately, even though they [the media] were saying I was. And you couldn't speak to the fucker. Minute you brought something up, it was just a stony-faced: 'What are you gonna do about it?' But it's my band as much as his. I had to have my say. And he didn't like people standing up to him. So he grabs the ball and does a fucking runner."
Never one to concede weakness, Liam insists the Oasis breakup didn't hit him hard. "No, because, like I said, I'd seen it coming. I weren't ever really that close with Noel anyway. I'd only see him on stage. Gem would see him more than me."
Archer, Bell and Sharrock were all personally recruited to Oasis by Noel. But Archer was his closest friend and ally. "Noel was a massive part of my life," he says.
For now, though, Noel has disappeared, and neither camp shows much interest in making overtures to the other. "I'm in no rush to get on me hands and knees, and I'm sure he's fucking not," says Gallagher.
After everything they've been through, it would, I suggest, be a pity if they went to their graves without putting it right.
"That's well heavy," says Gallagher, his tone immediately softening. "Look, if I found out something was going on, I'd definitely send him a postcard, do you know what I mean?"
They will, he insists, eventually settle their differences. "Without a doubt. But I suppose I've got to grow up a little bit, and I suppose he has. People think I'm just a fucking lunatic, but Noel can be a little bitch, too. Maybe the pair of us have to sort ourselves out before we do that. But not just yet." His scowl gives way to a smile. "But thanks for your concern. I didn't know it meant that much to people."
The legions of Oasis fans for whom it means the most shouldn't get too excited by Gallagher's notional olive branch. He is convinced Beady Eye are here to stay, talking excitedly about the soundtrack they are set to record for the film about Apple Records his production company are making. "That can open a mad door for the next couple of Beady Eye records."
Inspired by the music Neil Young and Paul Weller have made well beyond their 40th birthdays, the 38-year-old is fired up about his future as a musician. But an Oasis reunion, Gallagher insists, simply isn't going to happen.
"Never," he says firmly. "This is not a stopgap until me and Noel come to our senses and start Oasis again. That is well and truly done."
"And now we're working on tomorrow's nostalgia," says Archer, brightly.
The band's press officer arrives to call time on the interview. Rising to head for a cigarette, Gallagher delivers his blunt, bullish and not inaccurate summing up. "We split up, we started a new band. Some people will hate the album, some people will like it. Some people will slag the gigs off, some people will love them. End of fucking story."
Different Gear, Still Speeding is released on Beady Eye Records on 28 February. www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/feb/17/oasis-beady-eyeReally good interview. They're claiming the album is surprisingly quite good, even though it's not a masterpiece. So about the same thing as the consensus on this forum =) And Liam once again comfirms he and Noel will make things right one day, and an Oasis reunion will never happen.
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Post by Silence Dogood on Feb 17, 2011 17:30:02 GMT -5
great interview. that's what i love about Liam. he always sums it all up in just a few words. call me crazy but i believe the guy more than i do Noel.
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Post by shoes222 on Feb 17, 2011 17:30:57 GMT -5
I think this is the most informative interview Liam Gallagher has ever given. Good for him.
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Post by gdforever on Feb 17, 2011 17:44:26 GMT -5
What a pity that the interview barely mentions the music.
Maybe Noel left that final statement so ambiguous so that that is all that any interviewer can ask about.
Interesting that Liam wants the statement taken down. It must genuinely bug him
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Post by gdforever on Feb 17, 2011 17:50:56 GMT -5
great interview. that's what i love about Liam. he always sums it all up in just a few words. call me crazy but i believe the guy more than i do Noel. So do I. I believe him when he says that he needs to grow up and that Noel is already grown up. And as a juvenile person he is pretty self centered. So I don't believe him about anything involving any other persons thoughts or feelings. He seems incapable of putting himself in other peoples positions...particularly Noel. Liam's a great guy...but hardly reliable.
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Post by shedboy on Feb 17, 2011 17:53:12 GMT -5
Thanks for that, a very well written article and great little interview. Beady Eye MadFerIt.
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Post by pascal on Feb 17, 2011 17:54:50 GMT -5
"I did the whole Knebworth set in the shower earlier," Gallagher fires back. "It was fucking great." Imagine staying at a hotel in London and hearing Liam Gallagher sing oasis songs in the shower next door.
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Post by BEng on Feb 17, 2011 18:22:08 GMT -5
Haha indeed!
Loving Beady Eye stuff and all, but the thought thet Liam is never going to sing a Noel-written classic makes me kinda sad =( Don't think any brilliant song from Beady Eye or Noel Solo is ever going to change that...
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Post by shoes222 on Feb 17, 2011 18:30:56 GMT -5
"I did the whole Knebworth set in the shower earlier," Gallagher fires back. "It was fucking great." Imagine staying at a hotel in London and hearing Liam Gallagher sing oasis songs in the shower next door. I wondered if that included DLBIA
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Post by mezmerised on Feb 17, 2011 18:31:18 GMT -5
Archer sighs. "That statement was surreal as fuck." To the outsider, I say, it read like Liam and Noel had a huge row, and Noel was hurt that the others didn't back him up. "Noel doesn't need backing," says Archer. Actually what Gem says here inadvertently makes Noel's version of events all the more plausible. I could very well imagine that Andy was always more on Liam's side especially during that last tour (maybe he felt the need to support Liam when he realised that Noel and Liam didn't get on at all during 08/09, there's also the theory that Andy had a bit of a falling out with Noel himself). Now, if Gem never really stuck up for Noel in any argument because he thought there was no need for it, then you have a two-against-one situation in the band and maybe to Noel it even looked like 3 against 1. People always assume that Noel doesn't need any support and I guess Gem is right that normally Noel doesn't need or want any back up but maybe in this situation he had wished for someone to speak up and agree with him and the fact remains that he didn't get any support from his band mates.
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Post by songbirdsally on Feb 17, 2011 19:35:16 GMT -5
"I did the whole Knebworth set in the shower earlier," Gallagher fires back. "It was fucking great." I literally laughed out loud Great interview! If the two ever talk again, it will be most likely up to Liam to make the first move I guess Even though he's slating him in some interviews, you can clearly see the whole thing still bothers him and means a lot to him. If it didn't he wouldn't want the statement to be taken down. After two years, who bothers if it's still there? I didn't even know it was still there
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Post by jlzoasis on Feb 17, 2011 20:06:41 GMT -5
"I did the whole Knebworth set in the shower earlier," Gallagher fires back. "It was fucking great." I literally laughed out loud Great interview! If the two ever talk again, it will be most likely up to Liam to make the first move I guess Even though he's slating him in some interviews, you can clearly see the whole thing still bothers him and means a lot to him. If it didn't he wouldn't want the statement to be taken down. After two years, who bothers if it's still there? I didn't even know it was still there I agree with you totally, he is HURT...he loves his brother, you always saw that...no matter what comes out of his mouth. His so-called "unreliableness" I believe comes out of a defensive place, not his lack of ability to empathize...he gets it, he's just a emotional person with walls that go up when a nerve is hit.
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Post by manualex on Feb 17, 2011 20:12:58 GMT -5
Haha indeed! Loving Beady Eye stuff and all, but the thought thet Liam is never going to sing a Noel-written classic makes me kinda sad =( Don't think any brilliant song from Beady Eye or Noel Solo is ever going to change that... Never say never, i think he'll do it whenever the split is not that recent, i mean he hasnt the chance yet!!!(maybe the tour for DGSS we wont hear oasis tracks, but maybe for the third or fourth album)
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Post by andymorris on Feb 17, 2011 20:14:48 GMT -5
Archer sighs. "That statement was surreal as fuck." To the outsider, I say, it read like Liam and Noel had a huge row, and Noel was hurt that the others didn't back him up. "Noel doesn't need backing," says Archer. Actually what Gem says here inadvertently makes Noel's version of events all the more plausible. I could very well imagine that Andy was always more on Liam's side especially during that last tour (maybe he felt the need to support Liam when he realised that Noel and Liam didn't get on at all during 08/09, there's also the theory that Andy had a bit of a falling out with Noel himself). Now, if Gem never really stuck up for Noel in any argument because he thought there was no need for it, then you have a two-against-one situation in the band and maybe to Noel it even looked like 3 against 1. People always assume that Noel doesn't need any support and I guess Gem is right that normally Noel doesn't need or want any back up but maybe in this situation he had wished for someone to speak up and agree with him and the fact remains that he didn't get any support from his band mates. Very well put and very plausible theory.
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Post by Ltrain on Feb 17, 2011 20:44:44 GMT -5
Yeah, Liam still loves Noel and vice versa. I remember times when I couldn't stand my fucking brother but in the end anytime he was getting into shit I always had his back or if he was getting picked on.
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Post by Marcos on Feb 17, 2011 20:45:50 GMT -5
Archer sighs. "That statement was surreal as fuck." To the outsider, I say, it read like Liam and Noel had a huge row, and Noel was hurt that the others didn't back him up. "Noel doesn't need backing," says Archer. Actually what Gem says here inadvertently makes Noel's version of events all the more plausible. I could very well imagine that Andy was always more on Liam's side especially during that last tour (maybe he felt the need to support Liam when he realised that Noel and Liam didn't get on at all during 08/09, there's also the theory that Andy had a bit of a falling out with Noel himself). Now, if Gem never really stuck up for Noel in any argument because he thought there was no need for it, then you have a two-against-one situation in the band and maybe to Noel it even looked like 3 against 1. People always assume that Noel doesn't need any support and I guess Gem is right that normally Noel doesn't need or want any back up but maybe in this situation he had wished for someone to speak up and agree with him and the fact remains that he didn't get any support from his band mates.Gem and Andy talk about it in this interview in Rio de Janeiro back in 2009 In all honesty, I agree 100% with them. I don't believe any of them took sides. Noel was the one who decided to step aside during the tour, travelling separatelly, etc.. And I highly doubt Noel would ever go after Gem or Andy to discuss a problem or something.
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Post by gdforever on Feb 17, 2011 21:35:28 GMT -5
I literally laughed out loud Great interview! If the two ever talk again, it will be most likely up to Liam to make the first move I guess Even though he's slating him in some interviews, you can clearly see the whole thing still bothers him and means a lot to him. If it didn't he wouldn't want the statement to be taken down. After two years, who bothers if it's still there? I didn't even know it was still there I agree with you totally, he is HURT...he loves his brother, you always saw that...no matter what comes out of his mouth. His so-called "unreliableness" I believe comes out of a defensive place, not his lack of ability to empathize...he gets it, he's just a emotional person with walls that go up when a nerve is hit. He's shown no ability to truly empathize IMO. All his comment about Noel have been utterly lacking in true understanding. He says all the right things about him being difficult but you can tell he doesn't actually believe that has anything to do with Noel actually leaving. He's said as much several times.
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Post by shinpad on Feb 18, 2011 1:55:04 GMT -5
I agree with you totally, he is HURT...he loves his brother, you always saw that...no matter what comes out of his mouth. His so-called "unreliableness" I believe comes out of a defensive place, not his lack of ability to empathize...he gets it, he's just a emotional person with walls that go up when a nerve is hit. He's shown no ability to truly empathize IMO. All his comment about Noel have been utterly lacking in true understanding. He says all the right things about him being difficult but you can tell he doesn't actually believe that has anything to do with Noel actually leaving. He's said as much several times. He seems pretty aware of being an equal part in it. Me and our kid were to blame for the split of Oasis," says Liam Gallagher. "Not me. Not him. And it certainly wasn't these guys." He's admitting to having an equal role in the split up as Noel.
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Post by gdforever on Feb 18, 2011 2:18:42 GMT -5
Sure...but it doesn't mean empathy. No that means admitting culpability. Two very different things.
My teenage brother talks like him after fights with my parents. He'll admit some culpability because he knows it's expected...but then spend the next 15 minutes justifying himself and saying why it's actually more the parents fault. @ the end of it you can tell that he still feels justified and doesn't get the other side. He still lacks that maturity...but he is 16 so that is to be expected...Liam is in his late 30's...
Just like Liam IMO. He admits culpability. "I'm tough to deal with" but then he always follows it up with a but.
But Noel wanted out anyways for months. But Noel was traveling separately. But Noel purposefully made me fight with him so he had a reason to leave that night. But i've always been like that so it's Noel's issue that it bugged him now. But Noel brought people I didn't like to gigs. I smashed his guitar...but it wasn't Noel guitar anyways it was an Oasis guitar. (as if he shouldn't have to be sorry about smashing Noel's fave guitar for the past 10 years because Oasis may have paid for it?)
I have yet to hear him express culpability without shifting blame. I've never heard him express any regret for his part.
I hope for his own sake that he is just maintaining an image and that isn't really how he approaches situations. But considering the fact that he is upset @ Noel for shifting blame...I doubt it.
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Post by gdforever on Feb 18, 2011 2:34:16 GMT -5
I think I'm just sick of hearing about the split. The two of them still annoy me with their juvenile behavior. Liam more than Noel @ this point since Noel has been silent for a year and a half about Liam. Although I'd almost lay wagers I'll be on another thread in 1 year annoyed that Noel is being really one-sided and blaming everything on Liam.
I wish the interviews could be more about the music than the drama...but Liam doesn't seem to like in depth conversations about music. Hope Andy does some solo interviews because I have a feeling he had a lot of leadership on the music and he doesn't like talking bollocks so he'd probably be full of bits of insight.
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Post by jlzoasis on Feb 18, 2011 8:49:33 GMT -5
I think I'm just sick of hearing about the split. The two of them still annoy me with their juvenile behavior. Liam more than Noel @ this point since Noel has been silent for a year and a half about Liam. Although I'd almost lay wagers I'll be on another thread in 1 year annoyed that Noel is being really one-sided and blaming everything on Liam. I wish the interviews could be more about the music than the drama...but Liam doesn't seem to like in depth conversations about music. Hope Andy does some solo interviews because I have a feeling he had a lot of leadership on the music and he doesn't like talking bollocks so he'd probably be full of bits of insight. Were you a fan of Oasis in the 90's ? If so you should be long gone if your sick of the press, and Liam & Noel..talking about everything BUT the music... this really old stuff....same ole stuff thats been going on for ages... Different Band...Still Fighting
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Post by Bellboy on Feb 18, 2011 9:24:30 GMT -5
Good article on the whole. "Bell, ever the peacemaker"
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 18, 2011 11:27:12 GMT -5
By far the best and informative interview to date. A little bit sad at times, too.
Although I also laughed so hard at that shower line. The Gallagher's were always good at those one liners!
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Post by gdforever on Feb 18, 2011 11:28:35 GMT -5
I think I'm just sick of hearing about the split. The two of them still annoy me with their juvenile behavior. Liam more than Noel @ this point since Noel has been silent for a year and a half about Liam. Although I'd almost lay wagers I'll be on another thread in 1 year annoyed that Noel is being really one-sided and blaming everything on Liam. I wish the interviews could be more about the music than the drama...but Liam doesn't seem to like in depth conversations about music. Hope Andy does some solo interviews because I have a feeling he had a lot of leadership on the music and he doesn't like talking bollocks so he'd probably be full of bits of insight. Were you a fan of Oasis in the 90's ? If so you should be long gone if your sick of the press, and Liam & Noel..talking about everything BUT the music... this really old stuff....same ole stuff thats been going on for ages... Different Band...Still Fighting No, I was 12 during BHN. And my older brother loved Metallica and the like.
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Post by mrsm81 on Feb 18, 2011 16:37:37 GMT -5
I think I'm just sick of hearing about the split. The two of them still annoy me with their juvenile behavior. Liam more than Noel @ this point since Noel has been silent for a year and a half about Liam. Although I'd almost lay wagers I'll be on another thread in 1 year annoyed that Noel is being really one-sided and blaming everything on Liam. I wish the interviews could be more about the music than the drama...but Liam doesn't seem to like in depth conversations about music. Hope Andy does some solo interviews because I have a feeling he had a lot of leadership on the music and he doesn't like talking bollocks so he'd probably be full of bits of insight. Thats called publicity. Its a game theyve always played, giving soundbites left, right and centre. Firstly i fell in love with the music but im sure you fell in love with their antics/soundbites/characters too. The music scene needed a kick up the ass and they gave it. What have we got now, 'Brothers'? Oh dear. Secondly i met Andy and he was a pretty boring geezer. Not to slag him off but just sayin thats how he came across on that night. He's no doubt intelligent and a good technical musician who can add to songs, BUT since a few good ride tunes what has he written? Nowt. Also my personal wish (and this is personal) is that when liam writes a song they should be looking at wider options than 'lennon-ing' it. For instance THE ROLLER. I mean its not a knock-out song but to simply produce it to rip off INSTANT KARMA is a bit embarrasing. Im sure Liam is just a good producer/bossy producer away from writing some interesting stuff. I hope with their soundtrack of last cocktail they may add experimentation into the mix.
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