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Post by gdforever on Feb 18, 2011 19:02:10 GMT -5
I think I'm just sick of hearing about the split. The two of them still annoy me with their juvenile behavior. Liam more than Noel @ this point since Noel has been silent for a year and a half about Liam. Although I'd almost lay wagers I'll be on another thread in 1 year annoyed that Noel is being really one-sided and blaming everything on Liam. I wish the interviews could be more about the music than the drama...but Liam doesn't seem to like in depth conversations about music. Hope Andy does some solo interviews because I have a feeling he had a lot of leadership on the music and he doesn't like talking bollocks so he'd probably be full of bits of insight. Thats called publicity. Its a game theyve always played, giving soundbites left, right and centre. Firstly i fell in love with the music but im sure you fell in love with their antics/soundbites/characters too. The music scene needed a kick up the ass and they gave it. What have we got now, 'Brothers'? Oh dear. Secondly i met Andy and he was a pretty boring geezer. Not to slag him off but just sayin thats how he came across on that night. He's no doubt intelligent and a good technical musician who can add to songs, BUT since a few good ride tunes what has he written? Nowt. Also my personal wish (and this is personal) is that when liam writes a song they should be looking at wider options than 'lennon-ing' it. For instance THE ROLLER. I mean its not a knock-out song but to simply produce it to rip off INSTANT KARMA is a bit embarrasing. Im sure Liam is just a good producer/bossy producer away from writing some interesting stuff. I hope with their soundtrack of last cocktail they may add experimentation into the mix. I liked it better when they were setting their sites on other performers...or @ least making fun of each other. This new stuff isn't funny. |
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Post by mrsm81 on Feb 18, 2011 21:43:31 GMT -5
Its as funny as ever. I suppose they dont have the songs now...
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Post by kimallenbewick on Feb 19, 2011 11:50:15 GMT -5
This interview is pretty good. I believe Liam says what he thinks it's true, but it doesn't mean it really is. Anyway I don't buy Noel statment neither. I don't think he left because he was bullied or something like that. Gem is right in a certain way when he says Noel doesn't need backing...
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Post by mezmerised on Feb 19, 2011 14:47:46 GMT -5
Actually what Gem says here inadvertently makes Noel's version of events all the more plausible. I could very well imagine that Andy was always more on Liam's side especially during that last tour (maybe he felt the need to support Liam when he realised that Noel and Liam didn't get on at all during 08/09, there's also the theory that Andy had a bit of a falling out with Noel himself). Now, if Gem never really stuck up for Noel in any argument because he thought there was no need for it, then you have a two-against-one situation in the band and maybe to Noel it even looked like 3 against 1. People always assume that Noel doesn't need any support and I guess Gem is right that normally Noel doesn't need or want any back up but maybe in this situation he had wished for someone to speak up and agree with him and the fact remains that he didn't get any support from his band mates.Gem and Andy talk about it in this interview in Rio de Janeiro back in 2009 In all honesty, I agree 100% with them. I don't believe any of them took sides. Noel was the one who decided to step aside during the tour, travelling separatelly, etc.. And I highly doubt Noel would ever go after Gem or Andy to discuss a problem or something. Yeah, I see what you mean and I'm sure that for most of their time in Oasis they tried to stay out of it when the brothers were fighting. But when the shit really started hitting the fan I think that it was almost impossible to stay completely neutral. It's just human nature to stick up for the one you think is in a weaker position or the one you feel closer to (for Andy in both cases I think that would be Liam especially after Noel began to travel apart from the others) In interviews Andy always seems to be quite 'protective' (for a lack of a better word) of Liam whenever he talks about Liam's songwriting or what he brings to the band. And even when you just look at what's been written in this thread you hear a lot of people saying 'You can tell Liam is still hurt about the break up' (which I agree with btw) and Gem and Andy must know this as well. And they were also aware of it during the last tour, that Liam wasn't just pissed off that relations with Noel were so bad but also quite hurt. When I say it was a 3-against-1 situation I don't mean they were actively ganging up against Noel. Just that during a fight between the Gallaghers it was easier for them to see Liam's pov. Noel just isn't as open about his feelings. And you are right, I also don't think he would ever discuss real personal problems with Gem or Andy. And of course that is as much Noel's failing as anyone elses. It's just that personally I really think that he wasn't lying or even exaggerating in his final statement. At that particular moment he really felt that he couldn't stand working with Liam a day longer and that he had no support from within the band. And I think Gem's statement kind of proves this to be true. |
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Post by mezmerised on Feb 19, 2011 15:05:35 GMT -5
This interview is pretty good. I believe Liam says what he thinks it's true, but it doesn't mean it really is. Anyway I don't buy Noel statment neither. I don't think he left because he was bullied or something like that. Gem is right in a certain way when he says Noel doesn't need backing... I also believe that Liam believes what he is saying but I still can't stand it when he calls Noel a fake. At first I had big problems with Noel final statement. The verbal intimidation part sounded really bizarre and the complaint about not getting any support from his bandmates seemed also quite out of character for Noel. But now I think it is true (I still have problems imagining a situation were Noel felt intimidated by Liam in any way, shape or form but now I believe that this is what Noel felt like the day he left Oasis). If he didn't feel really miserable about whatever was going on at the time he would have stuck it out for three more tour dates in Paris, Konstanz and Milan and THEN left the band. Noel didn't gain anything from ending Oasis with a bang because all kind of momentum and hype that had been created is long gone by now. If he had released a solo album in 2010 then this might have been a different story... Leaving the band three dates short of the end of the tour, just makes him look irresponsible towards his own fans and I think Noel was quite proud of the fact that in later years they normally managed to turn up for the gigs where they were supposed to play, so I don't think there was some great secret scheme behind his decision to leave Oasis in Paris. The walk out (and the statement) was just a spontaneous (over) reaction IMO. |
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Post by Marcos on Feb 20, 2011 0:22:52 GMT -5
Gem and Andy talk about it in this interview in Rio de Janeiro back in 2009 In all honesty, I agree 100% with them. I don't believe any of them took sides. Noel was the one who decided to step aside during the tour, travelling separatelly, etc.. And I highly doubt Noel would ever go after Gem or Andy to discuss a problem or something. Yeah, I see what you mean and I'm sure that for most of their time in Oasis they tried to stay out of it when the brothers were fighting. But when the shit really started hitting the fan I think that it was almost impossible to stay completely neutral. It's just human nature to stick up for the one you think is in a weaker position or the one you feel closer to (for Andy in both cases I think that would be Liam especially after Noel began to travel apart from the others) In interviews Andy always seems to be quite 'protective' (for a lack of a better word) of Liam whenever he talks about Liam's songwriting or what he brings to the band. And even when you just look at what's been written in this thread you hear a lot of people saying 'You can tell Liam is still hurt about the break up' (which I agree with btw) and Gem and Andy must know this as well. And they were also aware of it during the last tour, that Liam wasn't just pissed off that relations with Noel were so bad but also quite hurt. When I say it was a 3-against-1 situation I don't mean they were actively ganging up against Noel. Just that during a fight between the Gallaghers it was easier for them to see Liam's pov. Noel just isn't as open about his feelings. And you are right, I also don't think he would ever discuss real personal problems with Gem or Andy. And of course that is as much Noel's failing as anyone elses. It's just that personally I really think that he wasn't lying or even exaggerating in his final statement. At that particular moment he really felt that he couldn't stand working with Liam a day longer and that he had no support from within the band. And I think Gem's statement kind of proves this to be true. I see your point. If that was the real scenario, I mean, "3 against 1", we can't really blame Liam, Gem and Andy for being so close. I remember by the time of the south american tour, Noel wrote stuff on his blog like "bad times ahead" or "this band is like a rudderless ship". And he made himself clear on every single oportunity (interviews mainly) that he really wanted a 5 years break. Can we imagine how frustrating must've been for the other 3? Knowing this by other people or reading on the internet... Noel was not being correct imo. |
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Post by mezmerised on Mar 1, 2011 14:31:35 GMT -5
And he made himself clear on every single oportunity (interviews mainly) that he really wanted a 5 years break. Can we imagine how frustrating must've been for the other 3? Knowing this by other people or reading on the internet... Noel was not being correct imo. I think the problem was that they just wanted different things! Noel really wanted to do a solo album and the other 3 wanted to make the next Oasis album. Sure, it must have been frustrating for the others to put Oasis on ice for the next 5 years but it wasn't as if Noel told them to stop doing anything until he was back (which is how Liam always portrayed it in the press "he can't put me on a shelf for 5 years' blablabla). And it's possible that Noel also felt resentful because their attitude of just wanting to carry on with Oasis basically meant for him that he could never make a solo album. He has become a bit lazy with starting new records in recent years and I think it wouldn't work for him to make a whole solo thing in-between 2 Oasis albums. I don't blame Noel for wanting something different after 18 years. I LOVE Oasis but Noel was probably looking for a bit of a change. Every major songwriter that I can think of from groups that became famous in the 90s has done a solo project by now, so why shouldn't he? And I think he definitely would have rejoined the group after those 5 years no matter how successful (or unsuccessful  ) his solo album would have been but now that it has all blown up there's no chance of that anymore. |
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