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Post by King Blougaredoc on Feb 15, 2011 10:41:59 GMT -5
Noel´s album has to be imminent
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Post by songbirdsally on Feb 15, 2011 11:18:26 GMT -5
i think another contributing factor to Noel not being in any hurry to release an album is financially based. he has far more money than any of the other former members of Oasis, and has no need to really work at this point. and he really has nothing left to prove. Offcourse Noel has made more money, but I think financially, they're all pretty safe  About the 'he has nothing left to prove'. I don't agree. The expectations for his solo album or miles high! People think of Noel as a genious, the best songwriter ever, a god! He kind off has to make the best album ever made to match the expectations! What would happen if his solo album wasn't that good? |
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Post by paranoidandroid on Feb 15, 2011 11:26:02 GMT -5
Musicianship wise Gem and Andy actually have Noel beat. They are far superior musicians to him from a technical standpoint. From a songwriting standpoint, Noel has the ability but after 15 years it'd be nice to hear him sing about something other than his soul and whether or not it will shine in the near future.  love that last bit. Roll on Noel's album i say. |
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Post by Officer Jim Kurring on Feb 15, 2011 11:33:51 GMT -5
i think another contributing factor to Noel not being in any hurry to release an album is financially based. he has far more money than any of the other former members of Oasis, and has no need to really work at this point. and he really has nothing left to prove. Offcourse Noel has made more money, but I think financially, they're all pretty safe About the 'he has nothing left to prove'. I don't agree. The expectations for his solo album or miles high! People think of Noel as a genious, the best songwriter ever, a god! He kind off has to make the best album ever made to match the expectations! What would happen if his solo album wasn't that good? if people think 'he's the best songwriter ever' then he has nothing left to prove. Noel has ALOT of money, much more than any of the other former members of Oasis. his kid's kid's kid's will never have to work. financial reasons play a huge part in what people do, especially when they're well established and aren't motivated monetarily. Noel's already proven he's a great songwriter, as you said. he's proven he's a great performer. he's earned a break, hopefully he enjoys it. maybe he'll develop a drug habit or take up golf. |
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Post by Banksy on Feb 15, 2011 11:56:44 GMT -5
What are the actual chances that Noel has been holding back classics safe in the knowledge that his solo
project was always on the cards (especially bearing in mind his tempestuous relationship with Liam).
I honestly believe he will do many cool collaborations (Ian Brown esq) and I foresee an absolute belter.
Beady Eye have surprised me I must say, I did not think it would be anything other than tripe, it flows very nicely.
I still don't see any track being higher than a 7.5 rating for me BUT in places there are some really cool PARTS just not combined to make an out and out classic.
Noel has the potential and now hopefully the drive to give the world the masterpiece he has strived for since 1995.
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Post by gdforever on Feb 15, 2011 15:45:26 GMT -5
Whilst im sure Noel will write better songs, he will have the harder job, because everyone will be looking at his music saying "Imagine how good that would have been if Liam had sung it" BEady eye don't have this problem, they weren't expected to make a good album, so the excellent DGSS has surpassed all expectations. THIS....! Its great to claim Noel's album will be better.....but the big question is...when will we actually get a album to compare BDI too? Remember it was always the rest of the band that was always anxious to go, it was Noel who was always saying "oh I could have waited five more years". Noel is a genius and yes his record might be better than BDI's but he is dead lazy... Personally I am not going to bother with worrying about Noel... I have music, GOOD music from 3/4 of a band I love...I'll take it... He's lazy to get started...but when he gets down to it he puts his blood, sweat, and tears into it. He isn't lazy about the music he puts out at all! He may take more time off...but when he works he'll put in more than sufficient hours to do the best he can. I'm not saying it always works out...but I think he always tries in the studio. Even HC...he put in the time but didn't have the inspiration. |
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Post by gdforever on Feb 15, 2011 15:49:33 GMT -5
gdforever (don't want to quote that long post), I don't really agree with the conclusion. I only saw Oasis once live, but I really didn't have a desire to see them again because of how poor Liam was vocally and as a general stage presence. Contrast that with Noel, who provided a vivid memory every time he stepped up to the microphone to sing a song. Don't think there is any getting away from the fact that Liam has much more stage presence than Noel. If he can sort out his voice and get the tunes I think they could justify a show in an arena/stadium. That is a big if though. Liam @ his best can carry a show like that. Noel hasn't proved that yet. It was great during the break when he'd step up to do his tunes...but that wasn't for an hour and a half! |
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Post by alliwantisthetruth on Feb 15, 2011 17:10:32 GMT -5
I've chosen some Noel sung oasis songs which closest match each of the tracks on DGSS's tempo/style
Step out
its better people
IOBI
Mucky fingers
little by little
LDSMD
she is love
the masterplan
full on
shout it out loud
waiting for the rapture
record machine
idlers dream
Some on his best songs aren't on this list and when you consider Noel most of his work to liam to sing his solo album should be a million times better than DGSS
FLW is awesome, the roller could go on any oasis album (I imagine it was demo'd for oasis and Noel had input in this) and the chorus on standing on the edge of the noise is great other than that the albums pretty boring
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 15, 2011 18:27:43 GMT -5
^ The Beat Goes On really did strike me as a dumb down version of Record Machine. I think RM is more interesting and has great potential, but TBGO is in that vein, easily.
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Post by SunshineLullaby on Feb 15, 2011 19:08:49 GMT -5
gdforever (don't want to quote that long post), I don't really agree with the conclusion. I only saw Oasis once live, but I really didn't have a desire to see them again because of how poor Liam was vocally and as a general stage presence. Contrast that with Noel, who provided a vivid memory every time he stepped up to the microphone to sing a song. Don't think there is any getting away from the fact that Liam has much more stage presence than Noel. If he can sort out his voice and get the tunes I think they could justify a show in an arena/stadium. That is a big if though. Liam @ his best can carry a show like that. Noel hasn't proved that yet. It was great during the break when he'd step up to do his tunes...but that wasn't for an hour and a half! Again, I felt instantly connected to Noel when he started singing at the Oasis gig I saw. Liam stomping around the stage and glaring at the audience didn't do it for me. |
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Post by jlzoasis on Feb 15, 2011 19:10:35 GMT -5
THIS....! Its great to claim Noel's album will be better.....but the big question is...when will we actually get a album to compare BDI too? Remember it was always the rest of the band that was always anxious to go, it was Noel who was always saying "oh I could have waited five more years". Noel is a genius and yes his record might be better than BDI's but he is dead lazy... Personally I am not going to bother with worrying about Noel... I have music, GOOD music from 3/4 of a band I love...I'll take it... He's lazy to get started...but when he gets down to it he puts his blood, sweat, and tears into it. He isn't lazy about the music he puts out at all! He may take more time off...but when he works he'll put in more than sufficient hours to do the best he can. I'm not saying it always works out...but I think he always tries in the studio. Even HC...he put in the time but didn't have the inspiration. I wasn't implying he is lazy about making the music... its the whole getting started bit...may take years.... |
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Post by gdforever on Feb 15, 2011 20:20:38 GMT -5
Don't think there is any getting away from the fact that Liam has much more stage presence than Noel. If he can sort out his voice and get the tunes I think they could justify a show in an arena/stadium. That is a big if though. Liam @ his best can carry a show like that. Noel hasn't proved that yet. It was great during the break when he'd step up to do his tunes...but that wasn't for an hour and a half! Again, I felt instantly connected to Noel when he started singing at the Oasis gig I saw. Liam stomping around the stage and glaring at the audience didn't do it for me. Fair enough. I can't imagine a concert with Noel just standing and singing...hope that it is great though. |
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Post by Officer Jim Kurring on Feb 15, 2011 20:33:55 GMT -5
I can't imagine a concert with Noel just standing and singing...hope that it is great though. what about a concert with Noel just sitting and singing? like the acoustic shows he played in like 06' or 07' with Gem and a drummer that were amazing. |
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Post by gdforever on Feb 15, 2011 21:28:10 GMT -5
I can't imagine a concert with Noel just standing and singing...hope that it is great though. what about a concert with Noel just sitting and singing? like the acoustic shows he played in like 06' or 07' with Gem and a drummer that were amazing. I know...but the idea of putting a show like that in anything bigger than a largish theater seems absurd and contrary to my original point. I said that I could see BDI's shows getting as big as Oasis' if they could get the song and the fans. Noel, i have a harder time doing anything but a sit down semi acoustic show...which wouldnt translate as well into a massive venue. Not saying Noel can't do it. |
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Post by tcrown on Feb 15, 2011 22:22:45 GMT -5
As much as I would like to see Noel come out with a spellbinding album, I think we will be waiting a long time. I don't really blame him. He does not have the passion that someone like Weller does. Noel has nothing to prove and anything he does will be judged very critically by everyone. Noel's got a couple of little ones, so why not spend some time with the family for awhile. He might pop up and do an acoustic set every once in awhile. I think Noel started feeling like Oasis/Music were a job a long time ago and once that happened it wasn't as much fun.
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Post by gdforever on Feb 15, 2011 22:34:38 GMT -5
I think his passion was dampened by the annoyance that came with it in the form of his brother and other practicalities that came along with being in a big band.
I think he loves music as much as he always did and loves to express himself in music as much as anyone. But I think that almost 20 years in Oasis damn near burnt him out.
Maybe after realizing that creating music without the stress of bandmates and as much pressure externally from press and label is still fun it'll start fanning the flames of the passion that Noel had for music before he got walled in by Oasis and started to feel complacent. maybe he'll rediscover his inner Chief.
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Post by Officer Jim Kurring on Feb 16, 2011 7:49:21 GMT -5
what about a concert with Noel just sitting and singing? like the acoustic shows he played in like 06' or 07' with Gem and a drummer that were amazing. I know...but the idea of putting a show like that in anything bigger than a largish theater seems absurd and contrary to my original point. I said that I could see BDI's shows getting as big as Oasis' if they could get the song and the fans. Noel, i have a harder time doing anything but a sit down semi acoustic show...which wouldnt translate as well into a massive venue. Not saying Noel can't do it. i dunno. Noel will probably have some great musicians play on his album. there's been news about that, though i've never heard of them but they seem to be known, i'm completely out of the loop these days. so he'll probably have the same thing with his live shows, which will help take some pressure off him and draw more people. maybe someone like Johnny Marr or Paul Weller, probably not have either one of the two be in his band but maybe come out and play a song or two with him. that'd definitely mix things up a little. |
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Post by rcknrollstar on Feb 16, 2011 11:11:41 GMT -5
Noel will probably write great lyrics but there is no way he can top Liam's voice. Noel singing a full album? Meh... He has a good voice, but nothing special.
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Post by SunshineLullaby on Feb 16, 2011 11:40:32 GMT -5
^ Disagree. Noel has developed into a great singer. And the songwriting is most important anyway. I certainly would be shocked if the level of songwriting DIDN'T far surpass BDI's.
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Post by gdforever on Feb 16, 2011 12:21:27 GMT -5
Noel will probably write great lyrics but there is no way he can top Liam's voice. Noel singing a full album? Meh... He has a good voice, but nothing special. I'd say the biggest edge Liam over Noel has always had always been his ability to deliver a rocker convincingly. and frankly...he's not that great @ them anymore. He sounds nasally and a bit whiny whenever he sings a rocker IMO. His best vocals are the soft ones now. And there he isn't significantly better. None of the vocals on DGSS give me the shiver of the first time I heard Idlers Dream. On a more emotional song, anything with dynamics, or requiring a significant vocal range Liam is incapable of it. Noel can do those more convincingly. He'll carry a an album fine. His voice is great now. Distinctive enough for my liking. Liam still has the superior tone...but he has the weaker voice. As long as Noel doesn't try to make an Oasis album with no Liam he'll be fine. He can make an album at least as varied as BDI. |
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Post by shoofee on Mar 8, 2011 0:23:48 GMT -5
Noel proved with his contributions over the last two Oasis albums (wont mention HC as its a blight on Noel's resume) that he still has it. IMO Noel's songs were the most innovative and interesting of anything Oasis was doing up to the end. His songs on DBTT were my favorite on that record, and Falling Down is arguably my favorite Oasis song post-MG along with the alternate version of Rapture. In fact, the only Liam sung (but Noel written) tune that I felt matched Noel's (sung) tunes was The Turning. Noel showed that he was not afraid to take chances in almost every respect, especially in instrumentation and allowing a producer more input.
In terms of quality and depth, Noel's going to shit on Beady Eye from a height if his work with Oasis on their last two is any indication.
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