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Post by shades on Nov 18, 2010 6:06:41 GMT -5
There's been alot of stupidity on this part of the forum the few weeks & its getting really stupid, at the end of the day it's music, people like the song & others don't There are probably Beatles songs that beatles fans don't, there's nothing wrong with that at all To dismiss a whole album after hearing one song though is also pointless
I do think people have gone slightly over the top in slating bring the light, personally I really like the track & the iTunes version is so much clearer production wise & I can't stop listening to it, I was out in an Indie club in London on Tuesday night & they played it & sounded great & it went down really well
Just keep the faith & don't abuse eachother, we're all oasis fans & I personally think that we should all get behind Beady Eye as their trying something different & as loyal fans of oasis we should support them
Buy the song on iTunes & get it up the charts, even if you don't like it it's part of something Oasis, you know it is
Be loyal & stay nice
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Post by kenneth on Nov 18, 2010 6:42:25 GMT -5
Good post mate! Unfortunately for us, when Oasis split, the fans divided themselves into to groups: Camp Noel and Camp Liam. But the bottom line is, we're all Oasis fans. Oasis split, and to be honest, we should look at the positive side of it. The fans are the biggest winners here. Now we'll get twice as much music than we normally would. And that also means twice as much music from inspired musicians. The breakup was good for both Liam and Noel. They can do things exactly their own way now, and doesn't have the chains of the Oasis name to hold them down. Take it for what it is: New and inspired music that's fresh and exciting. Roll on Beady Eye album and Noel solo album
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2010 6:51:30 GMT -5
Unfortunately for us, when Oasis split, the fans divided themselves into to groups: Camp Noel and Camp Liam. That's not true at all. People just expected Beady Eye's first release not to suck is all. I hope Beady Eye surprise us with a great album, their first song is a stinker though.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 18, 2010 7:02:28 GMT -5
Unfortunately for us, when Oasis split, the fans divided themselves into to groups: Camp Noel and Camp Liam. That's not true at all. People just expected Beady Eye's first release not to suck is all. I hope Beady Eye surprise us with a great album, their first song is a stinker though. In your opinion. I think its pretty good. Many Oasis fans expected it to be garbage.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2010 7:05:11 GMT -5
Here he is. Thanks for correcting me again.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 18, 2010 7:11:45 GMT -5
No worries, if you need anymore help let me know.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2010 7:16:26 GMT -5
Mate. I'm flattered, but I'm not gay.
Please leave me alone.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 18, 2010 7:21:04 GMT -5
Helping someone is gay? Sounds like a childhood issue to me.
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Post by oneeye on Nov 18, 2010 7:23:52 GMT -5
Here he is. Thanks for correcting me again. I think it was a fair post? Just because you don't like the song doesn't mean others can't, and for them to express their opinions to you. That's what you do to others - only yours are more negative about BTL!
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Post by mimmihopps on Nov 18, 2010 9:33:33 GMT -5
It happens in the time like this...when the new song has been announced, the new album, new tour...
Some like that song, some don't. It's the fact and you can't force your opinion to others. Insulting others doesn't help anything.
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Post by Guy Fawkes on Nov 18, 2010 9:47:35 GMT -5
Insulting others doesn't help anything. yes it does. that was funny banter.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Nov 18, 2010 10:27:03 GMT -5
Oasis may have split, but that doesn't mean there should be great divides on this forum. That's my 2 cents for the day. Consider yourselves all that little bit richer.
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Post by gdforever on Nov 18, 2010 11:57:59 GMT -5
People need to stop being so reductive. I think that is the problem.
Perfect example is Kenneth on this very thread. The reason that there is a divide on this forum is because of differing musical tastes. Not everyone who doesn't like the BDI track is automatically TEAM NOEL.
Putting someone in a box because of their opinion about a single track is as stupid as people writing off BDI after they have released only 1 track.
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Post by spaneli on Nov 18, 2010 16:29:39 GMT -5
K+ for gdforever
I really dont think that it has much to do with team Noel and Liam. I've always like Noel a bit more than Liam, but I dont hate BTL.
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Post by worldsoutro on Nov 18, 2010 16:51:11 GMT -5
I think its dumb that people are under the impression that if someone does not like a Beady Eye track it musg be because they support Noel. I expected Bring the light to be average at best and it didnt even manage that... The sound is decent but the lyrics are shit.... Its not an opinion its fact..
If someone walked up to me and said they liked or didnt like the sound of the song I would say fair point, but for someone to say the lyrics are good and dont destroy the song is just dumb...
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Post by NYR on Nov 18, 2010 17:17:07 GMT -5
i think the problem is that people were expecting beady eye to sound like oasis. when they heard the song, they went a bit bonkers. they didn't (and some still don't) realize that beady eye is a whole new band. noel isn't there anymore, so they have the freedom to explore with different sounds. plus, i'm sure they'd want to branch out so not as to be pigeonholed into a band trying to reclaim their past glory. i, for one, am happy about that.
it's been said that in order to truly be creative, you need to risk failure. whether or not you like their output, you have to respect their desire to do something different.
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Post by SOULDIGGER on Nov 18, 2010 19:44:38 GMT -5
I've been throwing shots the last week and I decided to calm it down now. Not going to argue anymore. Anyhow,everyone is entitled to their own opinion and the problem with this forum and myself included is we tend to take things to personal. I guess we all feel an emotional connection to Oasis,liam,noel and beady eye in some cases so if we don't hear what we want to hear we have arguments and debates. I will tell u one thing, there isn't a Forum in the world that can match Live4ever's passion. Cheers, nice thread shades.
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Post by liamtheking on Nov 18, 2010 20:48:03 GMT -5
Camp liam or camp Noel? Don't be an idiot, listening to Bring The Light only caused a division because now I'm totally on team Noel after hearing beady eyes first single.
The lead single of a debut band is supposed to be a fucking ripper! And I don't care where Youre from but it's never cool to pump tunes with lyrics like 'were fuckin tough' in it....you know it and I know it.
All beady eye had to do was put out something that wasn't embarrassing for us to show our friends. But they cocked that up. Big time. It's not rock and roll and it's not a classic, which makes it a Liam bside by the numbers at best. And if that's the lead single......then i really can't relate to this band at all. Because if there was even one slightly better track then surely that should've been the single?...
Noel on the other hand will provide us with melodies we love along with lyrics that wont embarrass us or make us cringe. Let's be honest, when oasis split we were left with a couple of acoustic tunes from the sound checks and even the worst of those songs had more artistic merit than Bring the Light.
So the odd are against a decent album, but here's to hoping.
Don't try and like Beady Eye if you don't, just say it's shit because that's what it is so far. Bring the Light will not get played here on Sydney radio once and thats a fact.
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Post by gdforever on Nov 18, 2010 21:04:35 GMT -5
i think the problem is that people were expecting beady eye to sound like oasis. when they heard the song, they went a bit bonkers. they didn't (and some still don't) realize that beady eye is a whole new band. noel isn't there anymore, so they have the freedom to explore with different sounds. plus, i'm sure they'd want to branch out so not as to be pigeonholed into a band trying to reclaim their past glory. i, for one, am happy about that. it's been said that in order to truly be creative, you need to risk failure. whether or not you like their output, you have to respect their desire to do something different. Stop being so reductive! This is exactly what I am talking about! people need to stop sticking people in boxes like "they don't like BDI because they are TEAM NOEL" or "they don't like BDI because they don't sound like Oasis." I refer you to... live4ever.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=factsandfictionbe&action=display&thread=63648None of us listen to nothing but Oasis (I hope). So I don't know what you are on about? It's not like we don't listen to non-Oasis music...so why would we hate it just because it doesn't sound exactly like Oasis. The things I don't like about BTL are not because they don't sound like Oasis. 1. I don't particularly think that the piano riff is very special not because I dislike the use of piano...it just seems fairly generically retro... 2. I think the lyrics are atrocious... 3. I think the guitar solo isn't that great...(which is sad since they are a guitar band @ the end of the day and that is the only obvious bit of guitar included) 4. The song goes on about 45 second longer than I find it interesting for. Bad lyrics, generic retro riff, lack-luster guitar solo, and could use some editing because it rambles towards the end...sounds like some popular criticisms of Oasis doesn't it? Actually it seems that alot of my least favorite things in the song have been happening in Oasis for years. Maybe I don't like it because it's too much like Oasis in that respect...unfortunately their weakness are as apparent, if not more so, in this song as they ever were in Oasis. People can yell about the fact that Oasis shared a lot of these flaws...but the fact is that we ALL call Oasis on generic riffs, bad lyrics, over-long tunes, and crap solos. It wasn't alright with me when they did it...it's not alright with me when BDI does it.
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Post by thestellasarecold on Nov 19, 2010 5:17:41 GMT -5
i think the problem is that people were expecting beady eye to sound like oasis. when they heard the song, they went a bit bonkers. they didn't (and some still don't) realize that beady eye is a whole new band. noel isn't there anymore, so they have the freedom to explore with different sounds. plus, i'm sure they'd want to branch out so not as to be pigeonholed into a band trying to reclaim their past glory. i, for one, am happy about that. it's been said that in order to truly be creative, you need to risk failure. whether or not you like their output, you have to respect their desire to do something different. Stop being so reductive! This is exactly what I am talking about! people need to stop sticking people in boxes like "they don't like BDI because they are TEAM NOEL" or "they don't like BDI because they don't sound like Oasis." I refer you to... live4ever.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=factsandfictionbe&action=display&thread=63648None of us listen to nothing but Oasis (I hope). So I don't know what you are on about? It's not like we don't listen to non-Oasis music...so why would we hate it just because it doesn't sound exactly like Oasis. The things I don't like about BTL are not because they don't sound like Oasis. 1. I don't particularly think that the piano riff is very special not because I dislike the use of piano...it just seems fairly generically retro... 2. I think the lyrics are atrocious... 3. I think the guitar solo isn't that great...(which is sad since they are a guitar band @ the end of the day and that is the only obvious bit of guitar included) 4. The song goes on about 45 second longer than I find it interesting for. Bad lyrics, generic retro riff, lack-luster guitar solo, and could use some editing because it rambles towards the end...sounds like some popular criticisms of Oasis doesn't it? Actually it seems that alot of my least favorite things in the song have been happening in Oasis for years. Maybe I don't like it because it's too much like Oasis in that respect...unfortunately their weakness are as apparent, if not more so, in this song as they ever were in Oasis. People can yell about the fact that Oasis shared a lot of these flaws...but the fact is that we ALL call Oasis on generic riffs, bad lyrics, over-long tunes, and crap solos. It wasn't alright with me when they did it...it's not alright with me when BDI does it. I think you're bang on here. I was genuinely excited about the Beady Eye project and hopeful that the split of the Gallagher brothers might inject Liam with a new and renewed vigour. But somehow, this was kind of what I expected; not necessarily the whole 'fifties vibe' but the limited scope of the song. Liam, plain and simple, isn't a born song writer but a singer. He has even said that. Really, all of what you've said above rings true... I've listened to Bring The Light countless times and all I can say about it is that it's 'catchy'... It's a superficial sheen though. The points made above are essentially true. I think the video clip enhances the track's energy a little but also highlights some of the production criticisms- Andy is banging away on guitar and Beck on bass but apart from the turgid solos that Gem mimes too, you can't fucking hear any of the other instrumentation. Piano sounds good but fuck, it's so lazily lifted. Lyrics are just so banal too. There is a fine line between inspiration and parody and this track almost crosses it. I feel Oasis at their best were inspired but didn't descend into parody like the haters claimed; Noel was smarter than that. He borrowed but he often transcended as well. Furthermore, I'm not one of those fans that races toward either a 'team Noel' or 'team Liam' camp. Both have their strengths and weaknesses and together, there's was the alchemy that created Oasis. When I hear the demo for 'Roll it Over' or the alternate version of 'Lord Don't Slow Me Down', I think, 'Jesus Noel, Liam just makes this song better than you ever could'. And Noel, well, his credentials as a songwriter I don't even need to mention... But the best Oasis songs like 'Live Forever', 'Slide Away' and countless others were born of both Liam AND Noel. Bring The Light is just Liam. And for that we have what is typical of Liam (like it or not): limited creatiity, limited musical ability, half decent voice, supreme rock and roll attitude and effort but ultimately, a somewhat vacuous product. I feel Liam has assumed this position since he began writing songs. There has been the odd decent and simple effort enhanced by his colleagues' superior musicianship (ie: 'Songbird') but then there's 'Bring The Light'- not a modern song inspired by fifties figures but a fifties song played by modern figures. There is a difference. I just feel it is too simple, too immediate, too lazy, too derivative. They could have thought smarter... Having said that, I wont be so reactionary as to refuse to buy the album or write Beady Eye off just yet. As McGee said, there's some fine fucking players in that band (not necessarily songwriters). Let's see what they can do... They haven't proved a point yet. This first 'single/song/free downloaded' really should have proved a point powerfully but didn't. Here's hoping future releases do...
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Post by iwantmore on Nov 19, 2010 5:52:40 GMT -5
Absolutely no more needs to said after reading that.
Excellent form thestellasarecold
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Post by Guy Fawkes on Nov 19, 2010 9:35:42 GMT -5
i think the problem is that people were expecting beady eye to sound like oasis. when they heard the song, they went a bit bonkers. they didn't (and some still don't) realize that beady eye is a whole new band. noel isn't there anymore, so they have the freedom to explore with different sounds. plus, i'm sure they'd want to branch out so not as to be pigeonholed into a band trying to reclaim their past glory. i, for one, am happy about that. it's been said that in order to truly be creative, you need to risk failure. whether or not you like their output, you have to respect their desire to do something different. Stop being so reductive! This is exactly what I am talking about! people need to stop sticking people in boxes like "they don't like BDI because they are TEAM NOEL" or "they don't like BDI because they don't sound like Oasis." I refer you to... live4ever.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=factsandfictionbe&action=display&thread=63648None of us listen to nothing but Oasis (I hope). So I don't know what you are on about? It's not like we don't listen to non-Oasis music...so why would we hate it just because it doesn't sound exactly like Oasis. The things I don't like about BTL are not because they don't sound like Oasis. 1. I don't particularly think that the piano riff is very special not because I dislike the use of piano...it just seems fairly generically retro... 2. I think the lyrics are atrocious... 3. I think the guitar solo isn't that great...(which is sad since they are a guitar band @ the end of the day and that is the only obvious bit of guitar included) 4. The song goes on about 45 second longer than I find it interesting for. Bad lyrics, generic retro riff, lack-luster guitar solo, and could use some editing because it rambles towards the end...sounds like some popular criticisms of Oasis doesn't it? Actually it seems that alot of my least favorite things in the song have been happening in Oasis for years. Maybe I don't like it because it's too much like Oasis in that respect...unfortunately their weakness are as apparent, if not more so, in this song as they ever were in Oasis. People can yell about the fact that Oasis shared a lot of these flaws...but the fact is that we ALL call Oasis on generic riffs, bad lyrics, over-long tunes, and crap solos. It wasn't alright with me when they did it...it's not alright with me when BDI does it. you are definitely NL4E.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 19, 2010 9:45:38 GMT -5
hahahahahaha
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Post by LlAM on Nov 19, 2010 10:30:01 GMT -5
gdforever = NL4E
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Nov 19, 2010 12:29:20 GMT -5
I love this forum
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