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Post by spaneli on Nov 12, 2010 21:50:30 GMT -5
I Know That This Is A Bit Early, but does anyone have an ideo of when the next single or promo (as people refuse to call this a single for dumb reason) will be coming out. Anyone venture to guess it to be somewhere in late December or Earyl January. Seems like we're in nuetral right now. Thought there would be a lot of questions answered with this frist song. Instead there are more questions.
I hope the next song is better than BTL. No one after this can say that they feel surprised at anything BDI does now, but I do hope that they release something better than BTL. If they dont, then I might cringe and get into the fetal position.
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Post by gdforever on Nov 12, 2010 21:54:01 GMT -5
I think early January. Doubt they are gonna go up against the stiff competition in the Christmas season. I think they did this BTL release because they were fulfilling Liam's promise of music this year.
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Post by spaneli on Nov 12, 2010 21:55:07 GMT -5
^^Yeah I was thinking early January. Like I said before, I'm really really hoping the next one is better.
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Post by novascotialad on Nov 12, 2010 23:28:28 GMT -5
still can't get over how poopy BTL is
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Post by mkoasis on Nov 13, 2010 0:05:49 GMT -5
Not everyone liked it (I did, but only somewhat) but no one can deny that BTL served its purpose. This is definitely definitely not Oasis.
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Post by worldsoutro on Nov 13, 2010 1:13:09 GMT -5
Its no the music of BTL, its the shitty lyrics that ruined the song..
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Post by copie on Nov 13, 2010 1:35:04 GMT -5
Well the first Beady Eye single should be announced in a few weeks and out in January.
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Post by oasisfanboy on Nov 13, 2010 5:26:35 GMT -5
Its no the music of BTL, its the shitty lyrics that ruined the song.. A fan on an Oasis board moaning about shitty lyrics?! Where have you been since 1994, the odd song aside! ;D |
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Post by putthisin ® on Nov 13, 2010 10:32:52 GMT -5
Its no the music of BTL, its the shitty lyrics that ruined the song.. A fan on an Oasis board moaning about shitty lyrics?! Where have you been since 1994, the odd song aside! ;D There are different kinds of shitiness Besides, Oasis had some fantastic lyrics |
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Post by supersonic8587 on Nov 13, 2010 11:06:06 GMT -5
A fan on an Oasis board moaning about shitty lyrics?! Where have you been since 1994, the odd song aside! ;D There are different kinds of shitiness Besides, Oasis had some fantastic lyrics I think people are too hard on Liam sometimes because they think he should be writing these amazing lyrics to make up for the early shit he put out like Little James. I really don't think these lyrics are that bad. They're not like fucking poetic or anything but for the song they get the job done. It's not like Noel hasn't had some head scratchers in his songs. Sometimes when listening to some of Noel's songs I can't help but think that if Liam put the song out they would be dissecting every line of and criticize it for having "stupid" lyrics. |
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Post by LlAM on Nov 13, 2010 11:58:31 GMT -5
Songs like Bring The Light don't need brilliant lyrics. In fact it would seem mis-placed if it had really deep lyrics.
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Post by gdforever on Nov 13, 2010 13:27:52 GMT -5
No song NEEDS brilliant lyrics...but if it is it adds something special. It's another dimension. Songs can sound good without a killer bassline, but if their is one it helps. Songs can sound good without amazing drums, but if they drus are amazing it helps. Songs can be good with no epic guitar solo, but if their is one it helps. Lyrics don't make the song...but crappy ones can bring it down. Unfortunately that happens with BTL for me.
And Noels lyrics are better on average than Liams, even forgetting LJ.
For instance even though this song doesn't really say anything, there are lots of Noel songs that are about even less...for instance Supersonic, Shakermaker, Hindu Times, etc. But they are unselfconciously nonsense...in a poetic way. I like all their lyrics better than BTL...and they all add something to the song and don't detract I don't think. And I am comparing lyrics which are basically bits of poetry...if I can take an English class and compare Yates to Hemmingway or something...don't do me for comparing Noel to Liam...
Liam doesn't get a free pass just because he is Liam. It is possible to continue to improve if you try. That is both with music and lyrics. Plus there are 3 minds in that band. I thought this was going to be more of a collaboration, which is what got me most excited about this project. They should be working together to off-set eachothers weaknesses!
That was the thing that frustrated me most about Oasis and specifically Noel the past 3 albums. He brought in these great musicians in Gem and Andy...and then they all continued work in vacuums for the most part. He used them for filler instead of collaborating with them. His songs were his, their songs were theirs. I don't think that they reaped the full benefit of what Gem and Andy could contribute! I am hoping that BDI will operate differently and that it won't be as clear-cut to say, "That is a Liam song, that is a Gem song, that is an Andy song." like it was in Oasis.
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Post by LlAM on Nov 13, 2010 13:38:20 GMT -5
No song NEEDS brilliant lyrics...but if it is it adds something special. It's another dimension. Songs can sound good without a killer bassline, but if their is one it helps. Songs can sound good without amazing drums, but if they drus are amazing it helps. Songs can be good with no epic guitar solo, but if their is one it helps. Lyrics don't make the song...but crappy ones can bring it down. I disagree completely with your theory. A killer bassline wouldn't "help" Take Me Away. It wouldn't suit. Drums wouldn't "help" Idler's Dream. It wouldn't suit. An epic guitar solo wouldn't "help" songbird. It wouldn't suit. Deep meaningfull lyrics wouldn't suit Bring The Light. |
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Post by gdforever on Nov 13, 2010 13:53:47 GMT -5
No song NEEDS brilliant lyrics...but if it is it adds something special. It's another dimension. Songs can sound good without a killer bassline, but if their is one it helps. Songs can sound good without amazing drums, but if they drus are amazing it helps. Songs can be good with no epic guitar solo, but if their is one it helps. Lyrics don't make the song...but crappy ones can bring it down. I disagree completely with your theory. A killer bassline wouldn't "help" Take Me Away. It wouldn't suit. Drums wouldn't "help" Idler's Dream. It wouldn't suit. An epic guitar solo wouldn't "help" songbird. It wouldn't suit. Deep meaningfull lyrics wouldn't suit Bring The Light. What a moron..."I'll name all acoustic tracks to refute a point about how instrument parts can improve a song." Take Me Away does not have a bass. Idlers Dream does not have drums. Songbird is an acoustic ditty with no guitar solo. Songbird, Take Me Away, and Idlers Dream didn't have any other instrumentation because it wouldn't have added anything. But if a song has a bassline. better bassline=better song. If a song has drums, better drums=better song. If a song has a guitar solo, better solo=better song. And by better I mean something that is unique and adds something to the tune. Every part added to the song should add a dimension in the best songs. If a song has lyrics they should be good. Better lyrics=better song. Good lyrics are NEVER going to bring a song down...but the reverse is true. There is nothing to excuse bad lyrics other that. "These are good enough, I can't be bothered to write better ones" And if that is the attitude that Liam and co. are applying to this than that is a bit sad. Maybe we have stumbled on the drawback of Liam's 'release music quickly' promise. At some point they are going to have to step away from songs whose parts aren't all done to the best their abilities because they need to get it to the next stage to be on target for release. |
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Post by spaneli on Nov 13, 2010 14:09:38 GMT -5
A point that I made a long time ago. That coming out with songs
really quickly could hurt them. That Beady Eye needed to take a bit more time to truely get all the parts right. That you cant just say one day I'm going to make an album as quickly as possible.
Yes albums are made quickly, but rarely is that the intent. Usually that just happens. You get into the studio and things are rolling along great and you finish an album quickly, but that should never be the intent. That is the intent going into the studio should never be that we have to get this out quickly.
I dont know if better lyrics would've made the song a great song. I think they could have have helped. The song is in an early 50's style and most 50's style lyrics arent genius.
No they didnt need genius lyrics, but that doesnt mean that the lyrics couldn't have been better. I could have done without genius lyrics if the lyrics had been a bit better. Not, genius, but just better.
We haven't heard the album yet and after BTL I dont think anyone truely knows what BDI will do on that album, but me personally if some of the songs suffered from being rushed through such as the solo not being fully thought out or the lyrics, it wouldnt surprise me. And to me personally those two elements for me are what brought BTL down a bit. A pretty flimsy solo and little riff and lyrics that couldve been a bit better.
Was I looking for genius lyrics, no. Has Noel made some god awful lyrics, absolutely. But me personally, I wasnt asking nor expecting amazing lyrics, I mean these are the last parts of Oasis. What I was expecting were lyrics that were better than what they put out.
Not genius, just better.
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Post by oasisfanboy on Nov 13, 2010 14:11:31 GMT -5
^^ What you EXPECTED wasn't what they delivered. Funny that!
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Post by gdforever on Nov 13, 2010 14:24:47 GMT -5
^^ What you EXPECTED wasn't what they delivered. Funny that! WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU HARPING ON ABOUT? The word expectation is not a dirty word. Expecting decent lyrics is not a lofty expectation that they were bound to fail him on. You are flipping nuts. He posted a long post...you picked out ONE word and try to pull him up on it out of context. You are rubbish @ debate. Should we not "expect" decent music, should we not "expect" decent lyrics? That isn't the same as expecting them to sound a certain way. Radiohead fans expect good output. They don't expect it to sound the same. But they expect it to be good. Why does any amount of expectation of quality equate someone wanting it to sound like Oasis? |
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Post by spaneli on Nov 13, 2010 14:27:38 GMT -5
^^Yeah, I didnt get his post either there.
Again though, anyone can look at my posts. I have not at one time said the song was shit. I have maitianed that I think the song is okay. Is okay bad, no. Is okay great, no. Its okay. I dont know why some are jumping on me because I say that its okay. It seems so far that some people want you to either be in the I love it or I hate it category.
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Post by oasisfanboy on Nov 13, 2010 14:36:13 GMT -5
^^ What you EXPECTED wasn't what they delivered. Funny that! WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU HARPING ON ABOUT? The word expectation is not a dirty word. Expecting decent lyrics is not a lofty expectation that they were bound to fail him on. You are flipping nuts. He posted a long post...you picked out ONE word and try to pull him up on it out of context. You are rubbish @ debate. Should we not "expect" decent music, should we not "expect" decent lyrics? That isn't the same as expecting them to sound a certain way. Radiohead fans expect good output. They don't expect it to sound the same. But they expect it to be good. Why does any amount of expectation of quality equate someone wanting it to sound like Oasis? I might be rubbish at debate but I know quality is subjective. And I know that if people have preconceived ideas about what a band is going to deliver, or sound like, or write lyrics about, then it's no surprise when that expectation isn't delivered. To me the BTL lyrics perfectly fit the light, jaunty song that was delivered. The poster actually says that, and he's right. I wasn't expecting anything at all - and how nice was that after 15 years of my favourite band getting increasingly formulaic - and have been pleasantly surprised by this whole week. |
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Post by gdforever on Nov 13, 2010 14:41:46 GMT -5
^^Yeah, I didnt get his post either there. Again though, anyone can look at my posts. I have not at one time said the song was shit. I have maitianed that I think the song is okay. Is okay bad, no. Is okay grat, no. Its okay. I dont know why some are jumping on me because I say that its okay. It seems so far the some people want you to either be in the I love it or I hate it category. It's the same attitude as caused someone the have that poll where you were either MADDFERRIT or it was SHITE. There is this moronic "With us or against us" mindset on this board sometimes. No room for discussion...just people yelling @ eachother. Person A: IT'S GREAT Person B: IT'S RUBBISH Person A: IT'S ONLY RUBBISH BECAUSE YOU WANTED IT TO SOUND LIKE OASIS Person B: NO, I DON'T LIKE IT BECAUSE IT IS RUBBISH. That seems to be the only conversation that some people are comfortable with having here. Any amount of discussion about what could have made the song better it met with equal parts, Person A: SHUT UP. IT'S BRILLIANT. YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE THEM LIKE OASIS. JUST LOVE IT UNCONDITIONALLY LIKE I DO! Person B: NOTHING COULD MAKE THIS SONG BETTER BUT MUTING IT! THERE IS NO REDEEMING QUALITY! Then you try to say, "Can't I just have my say and discuss it with those that are willing without you getting annoyed @ me for daring to question anything?" Person A: YOU ARE TRYING TO CENSOR ME. I AM STATING MY OPINION! I HAVE NO OPINION ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE DISCUSSING BUT I DO HAVE A RELATED OPINION WHICH IS THAT YOU SHOULD SHUT UP AND JUST LOVE IT. NOW EVERYTIME THAT ANYONE OPENS A DIALOGUE THAT MAY QUESTION A CREATIVE DECISION THAT WAS MADE ABOUT THIS SONG I WILL VOMIT THIS OPINION ALL OVER THAT THREAD SO THAT EVERYONE BECOMES TOO WRAPPED UP IN ARGUING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IT IS ALRIGHT TO ANALYZE BDI TO CONTINUE WITH THE PROPOSED QUERY. Person B: NOTHING WILL MAKE THIS SONG ANY BETTER. IT IS RUBBISH. WHY ARE YOU EVEN BOTHERING TO DISCUSS IT? THERE ARE NO REDEEMING QUALITIES. |
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Post by gdforever on Nov 13, 2010 14:45:06 GMT -5
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU HARPING ON ABOUT? The word expectation is not a dirty word. Expecting decent lyrics is not a lofty expectation that they were bound to fail him on. You are flipping nuts. He posted a long post...you picked out ONE word and try to pull him up on it out of context. You are rubbish @ debate. Should we not "expect" decent music, should we not "expect" decent lyrics? That isn't the same as expecting them to sound a certain way. Radiohead fans expect good output. They don't expect it to sound the same. But they expect it to be good. Why does any amount of expectation of quality equate someone wanting it to sound like Oasis? I might be rubbish at debate but I know quality is subjective. And I know that if people have preconceived ideas about what a band is going to deliver, or sound like, or write lyrics about, then it's no surprise when that expectation isn't delivered. To me the BTL lyrics perfectly fit the light, jaunty song that was delivered. The poster actually says that, and he's right. I wasn't expecting anything at all - and how nice was that after 15 years of my favourite band getting increasingly formulaic - and have been pleasantly surprised by this whole week. You will notice that AT NO POINT did spaneli OR I say anything about what we thought that it should sound like, or what we thought that the lyrics should be about. The only expectation is that they deliver something good. Tell me that you think that those lyrics are good. That LAG could not have done any better. Not that they are "good enough" which is basically just justifying mediocrity. So far noone on this board has said the lyrics are good...only that they are good enough. Why are you treating any assertion that they could have done something better like sacrilege. We did it/do it to Oasis all the time... |
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Post by spaneli on Nov 13, 2010 14:46:38 GMT -5
^^Love the all caps. lol
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Post by gdforever on Nov 13, 2010 14:49:45 GMT -5
I thought it was a pretty good encapsulation about what I have been reading the past...God...has it only been 3 days? What do you think? LOL |
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Post by oasisfanboy on Nov 13, 2010 14:50:27 GMT -5
I might be rubbish at debate but I know quality is subjective. And I know that if people have preconceived ideas about what a band is going to deliver, or sound like, or write lyrics about, then it's no surprise when that expectation isn't delivered. To me the BTL lyrics perfectly fit the light, jaunty song that was delivered. The poster actually says that, and he's right. I wasn't expecting anything at all - and how nice was that after 15 years of my favourite band getting increasingly formulaic - and have been pleasantly surprised by this whole week. You will notice that AT NO POINT did spaneli OR I say anything about what we thought that it should sound like, or what we thought that the lyrics should be about. The only expectation is that they deliver something good. Tell me that you think that those lyrics are good. That LAG could not have done any better. Not that they are "good enough" which is basically just justifying mediocrity. I am not discussing their quality or otherwise - I'm just questioning whether it's wise to judge a piece of work against an EXPECTATION or ON SOMETHING'S OWN MERITS! |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 13, 2010 14:51:47 GMT -5
I might be rubbish at debate but I know quality is subjective. And I know that if people have preconceived ideas about what a band is going to deliver, or sound like, or write lyrics about, then it's no surprise when that expectation isn't delivered. To me the BTL lyrics perfectly fit the light, jaunty song that was delivered. The poster actually says that, and he's right. I wasn't expecting anything at all - and how nice was that after 15 years of my favourite band getting increasingly formulaic - and have been pleasantly surprised by this whole week. You will notice that AT NO POINT did spaneli OR I say anything about what we thought that it should sound like, or what we thought that the lyrics should be about. The only expectation is that they deliver something good. Tell me that you think that those lyrics are good. That LAG could not have done any better. Not that they are "good enough" which is basically just justifying mediocrity. So far noone on this board has said the lyrics are good...only that they are good enough. Why are you treating any assertion that they could have done something better like sacrilege. We did it/do it to Oasis all the time... Does every song you like or think is good have good lyrics? |
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