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Jun 19, 2010 21:29:54 GMT -5
Post by flyjeffaplane on Jun 19, 2010 21:29:54 GMT -5
I agree with many fans that HC is Oasis' poorest album. I've been listening to the Noel-sung b-sides from this era a lot lately though and have come to the conclusion that the HC era in general, when you include the album tracks and b-sides has stronger material than the DBTT era as a whole and also the DOYS era as a whole.
If Liam wouldn't have minded most of the album being sung by Noel, HC could have actually been a remarkable album. I think Shout It Out Loud, Idler's Dream, You've Got The Heart Of A Star, and Just Gettin' Older are much better songs than Better Man, All In the Mind, Born On a Different Cloud, and Force Of Nature.
But I'm sure Oasis would have ended even sooner if Liam had only sung 3 songs on HC. My point is just that Noel's songwriting was not as week and uninspired as the album from the HC era portrays. Most of his best material was left off the album and it just so happened that his weeker songs fit Liam's voice better.
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Post by flyjeffaplane on Jun 19, 2010 21:52:21 GMT -5
I just wanted to add that I think Shout It Out Loud has just as good a guitar solo as Live Forever.
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Jun 20, 2010 0:56:57 GMT -5
Post by Cast on Jun 20, 2010 0:56:57 GMT -5
HC needed; Shout It Out Loud, Idlers Dream, YGTHOTS, and TYFTGT. A lot of Noel yes but less mediocre songs. How SIOL didn't make it (if it was written in time) is beyond me.
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Jun 20, 2010 1:06:28 GMT -5
Post by idledreamer on Jun 20, 2010 1:06:28 GMT -5
the problem is: if all those noel-sung songs appeared on h.c. it wouldn't have hardly been an 'oasis album' at all... and we probably would have never have heard d.b.t.t. or d.o.y.s.--- well some of those songs might have appeared on solo works, but the oasis we came to know probably would have ceased to exist.
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Jun 20, 2010 1:14:15 GMT -5
Post by flyjeffaplane on Jun 20, 2010 1:14:15 GMT -5
<<the problem is: if all those noel-sung songs appeared on h.c. it wouldn't have hardly been an 'oasis album' at all... and we probably would have never have heard d.b.t.t. or d.o.y.s.--- well some of those songs might have appeared on solo works, but the oasis we came to know probably would have ceased to exist. >>
You're right. That's pretty much what I was saying. I was just wondering if others agree that the HC era as a whole (album tracks plus b-sides) is not their weakest body of work despite HC being their weakest album
And anyway, the Oasis I know came long before DBTT and DOYS, though there are a few good songs on each those albums.
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Jun 20, 2010 3:46:12 GMT -5
Post by tulster on Jun 20, 2010 3:46:12 GMT -5
sotsog is their weakest album
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Jun 20, 2010 3:49:45 GMT -5
Post by jrs40 on Jun 20, 2010 3:49:45 GMT -5
sotsog is their weakest album Nope, SOTSOG is great bar PYMWYMI and LJ. I actually go back to it alot. I barely ever listen to HC, unless it's just to play THT or SCYHO. |
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Jun 20, 2010 5:41:39 GMT -5
Post by mimmihopps on Jun 20, 2010 5:41:39 GMT -5
Love this album. It has got a great opener - The Hindu Times.
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Post by BEng on Jun 20, 2010 5:55:15 GMT -5
Idler's dream is amazing... Such a pure, beautiful song!
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Jun 20, 2010 7:17:50 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2010 7:17:50 GMT -5
Hate the album, like the b-sides though! The Hindu Times is great and SCYHO can be great in the right mood (though it's easily one of the weaker Oasis ballads). The rest is rather boring, I haven't listened to it for a very long time. It's their weakest by far, but it has it's moments.
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Jun 20, 2010 7:23:02 GMT -5
Post by BEng on Jun 20, 2010 7:23:02 GMT -5
I don't get why so many people don't like "Little by little". I think it's an amazing balad, as is SCYHO...
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Jun 20, 2010 12:23:07 GMT -5
Post by flyjeffaplane on Jun 20, 2010 12:23:07 GMT -5
I do like Little By Little but I don't much like the production of it on HC. And SCYHO is a great song, but to me, the rest of HC is either decent filler (THT, HIABP), b-side material (SIL, FON, BOADC), or complete crap (BM, PAITM).
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Post by smn620 on Jun 20, 2010 16:06:47 GMT -5
I've always said HC would've been better if they'd canned Force Of Nature and A Quick Peep and replaced those two with Shout It Out Loud and Thank You For The Good Times. Personally I'd have used the electric version of Songbird too, but that might just be me.
The whole feel of HC to me was like, WTSMG-lite, so throwing in Thank You For The Good Times (which is basically Some Might Say-lite) would've fitted perfectly.
1. The Hindu Times
2. Hung In A Bad Place
3. Shout It Out Loud
4. Songbird (electric)
5. Stop Crying Your Heart Out
6. Little By Little
7. Thank You For The Good Times
8. Probably All In The Mind
9. She Is Love
10. Born On A Different Cloud
11. Better Man
Nobody can tell me that wouldn't have been top, can they?
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Jun 21, 2010 12:32:47 GMT -5
Post by armanizam on Jun 21, 2010 12:32:47 GMT -5
I love the HC era  . The album is good in a very special, weak way. Some B-sides should have made it on the album, but then i think they would be massacred with Liam's vocals (cause i believe the only reason Noel sings them is cause Liam didn't wanna sing on some stupid song that isn't even gonna make the album) and overproduction xD. They looked great back in 2002/03. And i love Liam's voice live back then - it's about the same as on Familiar to Millions, just melting away and dieing off . ^Priceless  |
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Jun 21, 2010 17:05:14 GMT -5
Post by Headmaster on Jun 21, 2010 17:05:14 GMT -5
Not a bad album at all, it's just Oasis worst, still have great songs, the casual fans rate it very high, but for us hardcore it's really generic.
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Jun 22, 2010 16:11:50 GMT -5
Post by gdforever on Jun 22, 2010 16:11:50 GMT -5
It's not as bad as all that I think. I like a few tunes on it. But I think the B-sides were better than than the albums through alot of mid-era Oasis and especially on HC.
Mostly I think that album suffers from a lack of direction, growing pains in the new band, and questionable production. Although this was the 5th album by Oasis...I kind of judge it like a debut in one way.
Most bands will take an album or two to truly find their feet...but usually this period is spent in relative obscurity. This new band had to find their feet being watched by an unsympathetic, cynical, or downright negative world.
The band didn't click yet...and it didn't help that THIS was the album on which Noel decided they were also going to do the production themselves. They bit of more than they could chew and it showed.
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Jun 22, 2010 22:50:40 GMT -5
Post by jlzoasis on Jun 22, 2010 22:50:40 GMT -5
I always felt that the lack of production as GDforever mentioned really hurt this album, its...ummm very flat. And not that this has anything to do with anything... the cover art is shit |
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Jun 23, 2010 5:15:27 GMT -5
Post by tulster on Jun 23, 2010 5:15:27 GMT -5
it has some great songs and for me has always marked their return to form, especially the gigs, were amazing. Little by Little is awesome, especially live ...... kinda like Turn Up The Sun, that soong was massive at the gigs but the album version wasnt soo much
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Post by Fellows on Jun 23, 2010 7:37:49 GMT -5
I reckon Shout it out loud and Heart of a star really are great and would of livened up the album a bit, I like The Cage aswell really annoying that it's hidden for some odd reason.
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Jun 23, 2010 10:03:46 GMT -5
Post by calioasis on Jun 23, 2010 10:03:46 GMT -5
Album covers seem to have a subconscious effect on me, and HC's gray motif definitely shapes my impressions. Just kind of gray and 'blah', both the production and the impact of the songs. First Oasis album where I didn't like some songs (see 'Born on a Different Cloud', FON). Anyway, chalk me up as finding the B-sides quite poor, bar Shout it out Loud. Idler's Dream, YGTHOAS, Just getting older. I find them all quite boring, both musically and thematically.
-I just listened to Idler's Dream again and I have to say it would be a better song if Noel had a lyricist, like Elton John has Bernie Taupin. The sparse piano just places way to much emphasis on the lyrics, which struggle for profundity. I like the melody but unlike in rock songs I'm not feeling Noel's simple lyrical style in this one.
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Dec 24, 2019 15:36:55 GMT -5
Post by underneaththesky on Dec 24, 2019 15:36:55 GMT -5
SUMMER
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Dec 24, 2019 16:42:33 GMT -5
Post by Zingbot on Dec 24, 2019 16:42:33 GMT -5
I think the album and the era were both awesome.
A great tour, Liams voice was in top form
A great album, some of their best songs.
Force of Nature
Better Man
Song bird
Born on a different cloud
The Hindu Times
Little By Little
Stop Crying Your Heart Out
Hung in a bad place
A quick peep
Those tracks are all really strong, She is love and all in the mind aren't all that great, but it's a strong record. I think it's their finest work, even if you disagree I don't see how it could be weaker than DBTT and BHN.
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Post by megyesitomate on Dec 24, 2019 18:55:48 GMT -5
For me, Songbird is the absolute greatest work of Oasis and Born On A Different Cloud is up there with their best as well. An album miles better than DBTT I think.
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Post by welshylad on Dec 27, 2019 10:53:07 GMT -5
It's like a lot of Oasis' albums, played live the songs were great. But the album (HC) is fuckin rubbish
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Dec 27, 2019 12:49:02 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2019 12:49:02 GMT -5
It’s SOTSOG (which is still a mediocre affair mind) without its focus and production, hence pretty rubbish.
It’s a shame because the singles (minus production ) were good
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