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Post by freek on Sept 16, 2020 1:13:10 GMT -5
Anyone noticed the similarity between the whistle in 'Moves like Jagger' and the guitar intro of 'Supersonic', or is it just me?
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Post by mossy on Sept 17, 2020 1:59:26 GMT -5
Liam had his hair cut on September 26th 1997. Honestly look at the pics from 25th Sept and before. Then look at the pics from the 26th onwards  Bit stalkerish I know  I feel like I should add this to my timeline project as an Easter egg for L4E members: "On this day in 1997, Liam Gallagher gets a haircut." It can be immortalized on Twitter forever. What’s your timeline project? X |
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Post by oasisunited on Sept 17, 2020 7:32:50 GMT -5
I feel like I should add this to my timeline project as an Easter egg for L4E members: "On this day in 1997, Liam Gallagher gets a haircut." It can be immortalized on Twitter forever. What’s your timeline project? X It's essentially a chronology of events related to Oasis spanning their career. More details can be found here: live4ever.proboards.com/thread/90673/oasis-timeline-project |
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Post by underneaththesky on Apr 4, 2021 9:20:26 GMT -5
origins of Go Let It Out breakdown at 2.41?
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on May 21, 2022 5:43:28 GMT -5
I've never been through all of The Real People's stuff and I know there have been certainly been a few lifts by Noel but here's a small one I picked up on today which I personally hadn't heard before. It comes from The Real People's 1992 single 'Believer'. Is it just me or does the vocal melody of these two lines "Cuz all of the lies you say, You're changing them everyday" sound the same as 'Fade Away' and 'Sad Song'? I've clipping it at the relevant section:
"You're changing them evvvvv-ry day" From 'Believer' is...
"You've boarded up evvvvv-ry door" From 'Fade Away' and...
"We're throwing it allllllllll away" From 'Sad Song'. The verse from 'Fade Away' is basically the first half from Wham's 'Freedom' plus that section of The Real People's 'Believer' (minus one small tweak). Not only is the melody and phrasing the same but also the AABB rhyme scheme. The syllable count is basically identical too. |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on May 21, 2022 15:48:25 GMT -5
I've never been through all of The Real People's stuff and I know there have been certainly been a few lifts by Noel but here's a small one I picked up on today which I personally hadn't heard before. It comes from The Real People's 1992 single 'Believer'. Is it just me or does the vocal melody of these two lines "Cuz all of the lies you say, You're changing them everyday" sound the same as 'Fade Away' and 'Sad Song'? I've clipping it at the relevant section:
"You're changing them evvvvv-ry day" From 'Believer' is...
"You've boarded up evvvvv-ry door" From 'Fade Away' and...
"We're throwing it allllllllll away" From 'Sad Song'. The verse from 'Fade Away' is basically the first half from Wham's 'Freedom' plus that section of The Real People's 'Believer' (minus one small tweak). Not only is the melody and phrasing the same but also the AABB rhyme scheme. The syllable count is basically identical too. A short masterclass I've knocked up better showing it off... |
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Post by oasisserbia on May 22, 2022 4:02:31 GMT -5
To me, it always sounded like Help, just slower and just slightly different.
When I was young/When I was younger
He probably heard Wham song and it reminded him on Help. Than he combined those two songs 🤣
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Post by shadowplay on May 22, 2022 5:22:03 GMT -5
I probably posted this a few years ago but cant be bothered to go through this thread to check. The kids playing in a playground noise at the start of Record Machine is the same recording as the kids playing at the start of the South Park episode called 'Raisins' the one where Butters falls for a raisins girl. Check for yourself its the exact same recording which I found so weird. It's probably just a stock children playing recording but I bet im the only one who ever noticed it being both obsessed with Oasis and South Park
Season 7 episode 14. It's also a great episode
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Post by lady on Sept 4, 2022 21:27:58 GMT -5
Spotted a Definitely Maybe poster in a scene from Eric Rohmer's Conte d'été (1996)! Haven't seen the film myself but was scrolling through google image search results for the film (trying to decide if I want to watch it) and saw these.   |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on May 18, 2023 13:24:03 GMT -5
Thought I'd move this to a more appropriate thread. This a very good observation that I hadn't noticed before. "Raspberry Beret" very nicely aligns with "So Sally can wait". The reason I think this is interesting is because Noel lists down a song called 'Raspberry Beret' in a notebook in 1994 amongst other songs of his...  I think it'd be a bit weird of Noel to name a song of his 'Raspberry Beret' when there's already such a well known song with that very distinctive title. My theory is it might be a placeholder name that is in fact descriptive of the song (in this instance a part of the song is reminiscent to Prince's 'Raspberry Beret'). This is something I have speculated before regarding 'Step Out'. A song under the title of 'Everything's Alright' features in a late 1993 tracklist for the band's follow up to their debut. The chorus to 'Step Out' is as we all know reminiscent to Stevie Wonder's 'Uptight (Everything's Alright)'. Neither the title 'Don't Look Back In Anger' or 'Step Out' is seen in notes contemporary to the two cases I have listed. This means 'Everything's Alright' and 'Raspberry Beret' are very likely earlier compositions which neatly ties into my theory that they may be embryonic versions of the song we know and love.  I'm sure Noel did put 'Don't Look Back In Anger' together in Paris in April 1995 but maybe Noel had that piece of melody in the back of his pocket for some time. A little help from Liam in Sheffield two days later and the rest is history. We know Noel takes lines of songs and turns them into new compositions as he's noted doing so before. One example would be "May the good Lord shine a light on me" from 'Shine a Light' (by the Rolling Stones) being turned into "Maybe I don't really wanna know" the opening line to 'Live Forever'. It's not overly obvious but Noel has stated this to be true. There are far more discernible lifts in his catalogue but how well he hid them varies quite a lot. |
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Post by zeberdee on May 21, 2023 12:21:17 GMT -5
Thought I'd move this to a more appropriate thread. This a very good observation that I hadn't noticed before. "Raspberry Beret" very nicely aligns with "So Sally can wait". The reason I think this is interesting is because Noel lists down a song called 'Raspberry Beret' in a notebook in 1994 amongst other songs of his... I think it'd be a bit weird of Noel to name a song of his 'Raspberry Beret' when there's already such a well known song with that very distinctive title. My theory is it might be a placeholder name that is in fact descriptive of the song (in this instance a part of the song is reminiscent to Prince's 'Raspberry Beret'). This is something I have speculated before regarding 'Step Out'. A song under the title of 'Everything's Alright' features in a late 1993 tracklist for the band's follow up to their debut. The chorus to 'Step Out' is as we all know reminiscent to Stevie Wonder's 'Uptight (Everything's Alright)'. Neither the title 'Don't Look Back In Anger' or 'Step Out' is seen in notes contemporary to the two cases I have listed. This means 'Everything's Alright' and 'Raspberry Beret' are very likely earlier compositions which neatly ties into my theory that they may be embryonic versions of the song we know and love. I'm sure Noel did put 'Don't Look Back In Anger' together in Paris in April 1995 but maybe Noel had that piece of melody in the back of his pocket for some time. A little help from Liam in Sheffield two days later and the rest is history. We know Noel takes lines of songs and turns them into new compositions as he's noted doing so before. One example would be "May the good Lord shine a light on me" from 'Shine a Light' (by the Rolling Stones) being turned into "Maybe I don't really wanna know" the opening line to 'Live Forever'. It's not overly obvious but Noel has stated this to be true. There are far more discernible lifts in his catalogue but how well he hid them varies quite a lot. I always felt like he did this with The Real Peoples "Dream On" too. One Love, One Heart = Hold Up, Hold On in Stop Crying Your Heart Out. |
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Post by The Escapist on May 21, 2023 14:37:46 GMT -5
Noel counts in the beginning of Magic Pie, very quietly. Not sure if everyone knew that, though.
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Post by mossy on May 22, 2023 12:48:10 GMT -5
Thought I'd move this to a more appropriate thread. This a very good observation that I hadn't noticed before. "Raspberry Beret" very nicely aligns with "So Sally can wait". The reason I think this is interesting is because Noel lists down a song called 'Raspberry Beret' in a notebook in 1994 amongst other songs of his... I think it'd be a bit weird of Noel to name a song of his 'Raspberry Beret' when there's already such a well known song with that very distinctive title. My theory is it might be a placeholder name that is in fact descriptive of the song (in this instance a part of the song is reminiscent to Prince's 'Raspberry Beret'). This is something I have speculated before regarding 'Step Out'. A song under the title of 'Everything's Alright' features in a late 1993 tracklist for the band's follow up to their debut. The chorus to 'Step Out' is as we all know reminiscent to Stevie Wonder's 'Uptight (Everything's Alright)'. Neither the title 'Don't Look Back In Anger' or 'Step Out' is seen in notes contemporary to the two cases I have listed. This means 'Everything's Alright' and 'Raspberry Beret' are very likely earlier compositions which neatly ties into my theory that they may be embryonic versions of the song we know and love. I'm sure Noel did put 'Don't Look Back In Anger' together in Paris in April 1995 but maybe Noel had that piece of melody in the back of his pocket for some time. A little help from Liam in Sheffield two days later and the rest is history. We know Noel takes lines of songs and turns them into new compositions as he's noted doing so before. One example would be "May the good Lord shine a light on me" from 'Shine a Light' (by the Rolling Stones) being turned into "Maybe I don't really wanna know" the opening line to 'Live Forever'. It's not overly obvious but Noel has stated this to be true. There are far more discernible lifts in his catalogue but how well he hid them varies quite a lot. Live 4 Happy Mondays. Don’t recall ever hearing that mentioned before. Any infos on that!? 🪩 |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on May 22, 2023 13:42:12 GMT -5
Thought I'd move this to a more appropriate thread. This a very good observation that I hadn't noticed before. "Raspberry Beret" very nicely aligns with "So Sally can wait". The reason I think this is interesting is because Noel lists down a song called 'Raspberry Beret' in a notebook in 1994 amongst other songs of his... I think it'd be a bit weird of Noel to name a song of his 'Raspberry Beret' when there's already such a well known song with that very distinctive title. My theory is it might be a placeholder name that is in fact descriptive of the song (in this instance a part of the song is reminiscent to Prince's 'Raspberry Beret'). This is something I have speculated before regarding 'Step Out'. A song under the title of 'Everything's Alright' features in a late 1993 tracklist for the band's follow up to their debut. The chorus to 'Step Out' is as we all know reminiscent to Stevie Wonder's 'Uptight (Everything's Alright)'. Neither the title 'Don't Look Back In Anger' or 'Step Out' is seen in notes contemporary to the two cases I have listed. This means 'Everything's Alright' and 'Raspberry Beret' are very likely earlier compositions which neatly ties into my theory that they may be embryonic versions of the song we know and love. I'm sure Noel did put 'Don't Look Back In Anger' together in Paris in April 1995 but maybe Noel had that piece of melody in the back of his pocket for some time. A little help from Liam in Sheffield two days later and the rest is history. We know Noel takes lines of songs and turns them into new compositions as he's noted doing so before. One example would be "May the good Lord shine a light on me" from 'Shine a Light' (by the Rolling Stones) being turned into "Maybe I don't really wanna know" the opening line to 'Live Forever'. It's not overly obvious but Noel has stated this to be true. There are far more discernible lifts in his catalogue but how well he hid them varies quite a lot. Live 4 Happy Mondays. Don’t recall ever hearing that mentioned before. Any infos on that!? 🪩 Yes actually. That's almost certainly an alternative name for 'The Mirror and the Razor Blade' (i.e. the song which evolved from 'Blue' (or 'In Blue') which later turned into 'Morning Glory'). It comes from opening line of the song's chorus: "I don't live for happy mondays". I think the title 'The Mirror and the Razorblade' could've been seen as a little more trouble than it was worth so Noel probably just changed it up to something a little more plain. On a later list of songs 'Live For Happy Mondays' disappears but another song called 'Mr Monday' appears, which again, I'm speculating may be the same song. Edit:
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Post by mossy on May 23, 2023 1:48:25 GMT -5
Live 4 Happy Mondays. Don’t recall ever hearing that mentioned before. Any infos on that!? 🪩 Yes actually. That's almost certainly an alternative name for 'The Mirror and the Razor Blade' (i.e. the song which evolved from 'Blue' (or 'In Blue') which later turned into 'Morning Glory'). It comes from opening line of the song's chorus: "I don't live for happy mondays". I think the title 'The Mirror and the Razorblade' could've been seen as a little more trouble than it was worth so Noel probably just changed it up to something a little more plain. On a later list of songs 'Live For Happy Mondays' disappears but another song called 'Mr Monday' appears, which again, I'm speculating may be the same song. The lyrics below are a little blurry so for those curious I've tried transcribing them (warning: they're pretty terrible, haha): The Mirror and the Razorblade
Verse 1
The mirror and the razorblade
If you live round here it's where your dreams are made
There's no beach no bucket and spade
For meVerse 2
Rainy monday afternoon
All you need is your favourite tune
The end of the day can't come too soon
For meBridgeIt's just sometimes I feel so alone
Sitting here believing my best friend is my phone
There's nothing that I really own
It's as though I've never glown
My bird has flownChorusI don't live for happy mondays
I think you're a disgrace with your plastic coat and your plastic face
I don't believe you've never seen it
I don't know what  to say
Cuz all we need now
Is the mirror and the razorbladeVerse 3Remember what we used to say
The dreams we dreamed and the games we'd play
It doesn't matter anymore anyway
To meBridgeChorus Bonus fact: The lyrics on the back of this page (just about visible at the bottom) are for an unfinished song called 'Tracksuit Bottoms'. The first half of which reads:
1. I've been watching you you over there in your
tracksuit bottoms
What's your problems with the world?Wow, I didn’t know that. Thanks. With all this erudite knowledge, you must be bitterly disappointed with every passing reissue 😂 🙏 |
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Post by andymorris on May 23, 2023 3:43:26 GMT -5
I've never been through all of The Real People's stuff and I know there have been certainly been a few lifts by Noel but here's a small one I picked up on today which I personally hadn't heard before. It comes from The Real People's 1992 single 'Believer'. Is it just me or does the vocal melody of these two lines "Cuz all of the lies you say, You're changing them everyday" sound the same as 'Fade Away' and 'Sad Song'? I've clipping it at the relevant section:
"You're changing them evvvvv-ry day" From 'Believer' is...
"You've boarded up evvvvv-ry door" From 'Fade Away' and...
"We're throwing it allllllllll away" From 'Sad Song'. The verse from 'Fade Away' is basically the first half from Wham's 'Freedom' plus that section of The Real People's 'Believer' (minus one small tweak). Not only is the melody and phrasing the same but also the AABB rhyme scheme. The syllable count is basically identical too. It sounds very close but dont forget one key fact to prove Noel G is not guilty of conscious stealing. There are outside factors when you write or record a song, such as The style of melody that's in fashion at the time. Those bits sounds like many other songs from the early 90s. You cant really escape it and when you look back at the bands from back then, most consciously or unconsciously have the very same style of songwriting. A song is the result of the era you live in, therefore, it will inevitably sounds like other ones from few years before or evolve from them. Its true for the 60s, the 70s, the 80s, the 90s and the 00s... etc Second factor: when you use a chord progression, you will inevitably "steal" some bits of melody that has been "written" before with the same chords. It also applies to more complex compositions. So for simple melodies in rock n roll, its even more obvious. The key is to make it your own. This doesnt apply to Dont Go Away chorus, this one should have been credited |
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Post by The Chief on May 23, 2023 9:09:50 GMT -5
Noel counts in the beginning of Magic Pie, very quietly. Not sure if everyone knew that, though. Same with Easy Now. You can hear "four... Easy now, heavy is the head..." |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on May 23, 2023 12:52:42 GMT -5
I've never been through all of The Real People's stuff and I know there have been certainly been a few lifts by Noel but here's a small one I picked up on today which I personally hadn't heard before. It comes from The Real People's 1992 single 'Believer'. Is it just me or does the vocal melody of these two lines "Cuz all of the lies you say, You're changing them everyday" sound the same as 'Fade Away' and 'Sad Song'? I've clipping it at the relevant section:
"You're changing them evvvvv-ry day" From 'Believer' is...
"You've boarded up evvvvv-ry door" From 'Fade Away' and...
"We're throwing it allllllllll away" From 'Sad Song'. The verse from 'Fade Away' is basically the first half from Wham's 'Freedom' plus that section of The Real People's 'Believer' (minus one small tweak). Not only is the melody and phrasing the same but also the AABB rhyme scheme. The syllable count is basically identical too. It sounds very close but dont forget one key fact to prove Noel G is not guilty of conscious stealing. There are outside factors when you write or record a song, such as The style of melody that's in fashion at the time. Those bits sounds like many other songs from the early 90s. You cant really escape it and when you look back at the bands from back then, most consciously or unconsciously have the very same style of songwriting. A song is the result of the era you live in, therefore, it will inevitably sounds like other ones from few years before or evolve from them. Its true for the 60s, the 70s, the 80s, the 90s and the 00s... etc Second factor: when you use a chord progression, you will inevitably "steal" some bits of melody that has been "written" before with the same chords. It also applies to more complex compositions. So for simple melodies in rock n roll, its even more obvious. The key is to make it your own. This doesnt apply to Dont Go Away chorus, this one should have been credited Conscious or not I would argue that Noel has lifted a couple of lines of melody from both 'Freedom' by Wham (1984) and 'Believer' by The Real People (1992). The difference between this and the 'Don't Go Away' chorus is that in this instance Noel has one, completely changed the lyrics and two, taken from two different sources. I fail to see how anything you've written "proves" otherwise. |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Jun 16, 2023 12:45:49 GMT -5
Been doing some digging in old newspapers and found quite a few interesting things which I've never heard of before. I'll be sure to drop it all in this thread. First up... have we got the date of Oasis's first gig all wrong? Here's the clipping from City Life which shows the band playing on the 14th: If you go and look at the Manchester Evening News for that week though you'll see Oasis listed as playing at The Boardwalk on not only the 14th of August but on the 9th too! Penny Anderson (the writer of the gig guide) notes: "Look out for [Oasis], one of the best harder sounding demos I've heard in ages". This in itself is interesting as the bands first demo tape ('Alice', 'Take Me', 'Reminisce') is noted as being recorded in autumn and not summer. Full page:  Close Up:  The 'Gig Guide' from the week before has the footnote "Any bands who wish to be described in the Gig Guide as something other than 'locals' or 'indie' should send info and demos to: Penny Anderson, 23 New Mount Street, M4 4DE". oasisunited |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Jun 17, 2023 10:07:25 GMT -5
On Mr Monobrows website (highly recommended of course) he's updated some information regarded Noel's early solo compositions. It now shows the advert Noel responded to and some quotes and clips in which Noel recollects this period of time some of which I haven't seen or heard before...
In the video above Noel describes Pete's intention of wanting to put together a band called 'Little Treasures'. Now what I have found in an edition of the Manchester Evening News is evidence that the pair of them were actively pursuing this endeavour (at least briefly, if not over an extended period).
Before reading all of Pete's adverts (that I can find at least) it's worth remembering the timeline:
- 1988/05/30 - Noel meets Graham Lambert (of Inspiral Carpets) at a Stone Roses gig in Manchester.
- 1988/12/21 - Noel auditions to be the singer of the Inspiral Carpets but doesn't get picked up.
- 1989/05 - Noel joins the Inspiral Carpets road crew.
- 1989/09 - A demo tape with this date exists. All of these songs are available on YouTube.
Pete's first ad:
1987/11/05 - Manchester Evening News - Adverts - Bands, Musicians
The original advert Noel responded to: 1988/11/02 - Manchester Evening News - Adverts - Bands, Musicians  A further advert posted when Noel was aboard. You can see his name included: 1989/03/15 - Manchester Evening News - Adverts - Bands, Musicians  Noel is no longer namechecked and it sounds like Pete is once again working alone: 1989/06/19 - Manchester Evening News - Adverts - Bands, Musicians  Or maybe not? The "songwriting & guitar duo" description is used again: 1989/07/17 - Manchester Evening News - Adverts - Bands, Musicians  It now seems the band is only short of a drummer. Whether Noel was still included at this point we don't know: 1990/01/22 - Manchester Evening News - Adverts - Bands, Musicians  The same ad posted one day later: 1990/01/23 - Manchester Evening News - Adverts - Bands, Musicians  It seems the drummer problem still curses Pete: 1990/10/11 - Manchester Evening News - Adverts - Bands, Musicians  |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Jun 23, 2023 5:37:39 GMT -5
For the first time ever, high resolution scans of early Oasis reviews. All of these feature in Kate Arthurs' (Bonehead's wife) scrapbook but are almost unreadable. 1991/08/23 - Manchester Evening News - The Word (By Penny Anderson) - Oasis Will Go Places  1991/12 - City Life - 192 - Demos  1992/06/12 - Manchester Evening News - The Word (By Penny Anderson) - The Refreshing Sound Of Oasis  |
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Post by mrsifters80 on Jul 29, 2023 4:49:51 GMT -5
I'm sure I'm not the first to notice but I just recently discovered that the chorus of All Around the World is a lot like the chorus of Donovan's Atlantis.
And Take Me Away, the b-side to Supersonic.
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Post by oasisserbia on Jul 29, 2023 9:05:46 GMT -5
I'm sure I'm not the first to notice but I just recently discovered that the chorus of All Around the World is a lot like the chorus of Donovan's Atlantis. And Take Me Away, the b-side to Supersonic. I don't hear it. |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Oct 7, 2023 9:35:52 GMT -5
Some more scans for you all. Some more of which is in Kate Arthurs' scrapbook but practically illegible. 1) Perhaps an early reference to Noel Gallagher with the inspirals... 1989/08/18 - Manchester Evening News - The Word (By Sarah Champion)
 2) A reference to The Rain... 1991/01/04 - Manchester Evening News - Gig Guide (By Penny Anderson) - Sunday (1991/01/06)
 3) And another... 1991/01/18 - Manchester Evening News - Gig Guide (By Penny Anderson) - Today (1991/01/18)
 4) An early Oasis gig... 1991/11/22 - Manchester Evening News - The Word - Gig Guide (By Penny Anderson) - Wednesday (1991/11/27)
5) And another (the Boardwalk tape was recorded at this gig)... 1992/01/10 - Manchester Evening News - The Word - Gig Guide (By Chris Sharratt) - Tuesday (1992/01/14)
 6) Another early gig (ticket shown in Kate Arthurs' scrapbook)... 1992/04/17 - Manchester Evening News - The Word - Gig Guide (By Penny Anderson) - Monday (1992/04/20)
 7) And another (Noel's 'Fantasy Chicken & the Amateurs' bandmate played in Molly Halfhead)... 1992/10/09 - Manchester Evening News - The Word - Gig Guide (By Penny Anderson) - Wednesday (1992/10/14)
 8) Another early full article by Penny... 1993/06/04 - Manchester Evening News - The Word (By Penny Anderson) - Worst Gig Best Deal
 9) Another article (in Kate Arthurs' scrapbook this article is annotated with the note "Wonderfully incorrect")... 1993/08/30 - Manchester Evening News - The Diary - Band Tak' The Low Road And Find A High Level Deal
10) One by Terry Christian... 1993/09/03 - Manchester Evening News - The Word (By Terry Christian) - Oasis - A Band With Vision
 11) In the Melody Maker magazine... 1993/09/25 - Melody Maker - Live - Oasis/18 Wheeler
![]()  12) And once again... 1993/12/04 - Melody Maker - Advance - Desert Song
 There's some more gig adverts for 1993 out there but I've yet to screenshot them. |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Oct 21, 2023 4:46:13 GMT -5
Deep into Oscar Wilde 174 line poem 'The Sphinx' is the inspiration for a familiar lyric...
I wonder what others can be found that we don't already know about...
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