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Post by seamywham on Dec 6, 2018 7:33:25 GMT -5
At around 1:58 Liam looks over to Noel and, kinda, gestures with his head to say "get away from the mic and stop singing". I hadn't noticed that before!
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Post by supernovadragon on Dec 15, 2018 10:54:17 GMT -5
In the second bridge of DYOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN liam goes " I met my maker and made him cry" and someone probably Noel goes very softly, but im not going mad "Yes you did" listen up its there!! I can't hear this
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Post by supernovadragon on Dec 15, 2018 11:04:29 GMT -5
In Those swollen Hand Blues They stare at me where I go....... Someone says " Do they? " I can't hear this either
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2018 14:13:39 GMT -5
Live Forever and Hey Jude share the same intervals on the opening line.
"May-be" V to III "Hey-Jude" V to III
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Dec 28, 2018 10:09:05 GMT -5
Theory time. I think that there's a very good chance that the once mentioned 'New Suede Shoes' was an early title for 'My Big Mouth'. Time wise they match up. Description wise they match up. 'My Big Mouth' even has two references to shoes: "I got something in my shoes, it's keeping me from walking" and "I'll put on my shoes while I'm walking, slowly down the hall of fame". Here's some references about their origins:
New Suede Shoes Written by: Noel Gallagher References:
My Big Mouth AKA 'Me and My Big Mouth' Written by: Noel Gallagher References:
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Post by oasisunited on Jan 9, 2019 16:31:01 GMT -5
This is actually alluded to in a Creation Records statement in which they claim " Oasis decided as far back as the recording of the album that they would not put out the live version of the song, but use the original lyrics to the song as written by Noel Gallagher. It therefore does not include the offending line." The fact they had to rerecord verse 3 suggest the main sentiment of this statement is however untrue. Great find and very interesting. This of course contradicts what Noel says in the Definitely Maybe 10th Anniversary documentary, where he claims they were planning on using the Coca-Cola line up until the day they went to record it and Noel supposedly came up the replacement verse in the back of the car on the way to the studio in Manchester. Now, granted, Noel tends to stretch the truth from time to time/misremember things, so its totally plausible that the explanation above is the real one and his statements in the documentary are just for affect/to feed the mythology more.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Jan 21, 2019 17:43:28 GMT -5
Here's a type up of two of the earliest Oasis articles from Kate Arthurs (I assume Bonehead's wife's?) scrapbook. They're incredibly hard to read but here's my best shot: Manchester Evening News - 23rd August 1991 ‘Uptown Magazine’ - 22 October 1991
Steve Cowell - 3rd December 2002 - www.bbc.co.uk/manchester/have_your_say/2002/12/03/liam.shtmlHas anyone heard that origin story for the name 'Oasis' before? Being the earliest I've heard it's possibly the most accurate.
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Post by oasisunited on Jan 23, 2019 14:39:34 GMT -5
Has anyone heard that origin story for the name 'Oasis' before? Being the earliest I've heard it's possibly the most accurate. Noel is at least consistent. He told the same story on that Adidas Originals thing he did with Ian Brown back in 2010 for the World Cup: (about in 4:18). He says that there was a stall in the underground market in Manchester named "Oasis" that would import Adidas shoes from mainland Europe and Ian Brown asks if they named the band after the shop and he says "yeah". I'm sure Liam will tell a different story like he does in Supersonic, but at least Noel is sticking to his story about the name coming from that shop.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 15:27:27 GMT -5
I don't think I'm the first to nocite it but Beck's Loser chorus melody is pretty much the Hey Jude nananana part.
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Post by oasismashups on Mar 22, 2019 13:44:55 GMT -5
Noel shouting "Hey nooooooooow!" around the 4:44 mark. You can clearly hear this in the SACD version, it's buried in the original mix I think its referring to it being a Beatles song..saying "Doesn't matter if its our tune" because they are covering a song that is not theirs, then says something about "John and Paul" (another Beatle reference), then says something else to the extent where I think he repeats the John and Paul line then they go into the song I always thought that was a conversation between liam and Noel Liam 'It dosn't matter if its out to tune.... Noel 'But Liam' Liam 'But why? It dosn't matter if its out of tune.....because your cool!!' I might be wrong!! I think Noel says "it's miles off"? Then Liam says "It doesnt matter if it's out of tune, cause you're cool"
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Nov 30, 2019 19:58:57 GMT -5
Nothing much but possibly a little link between 'The Red, White and Blue' and 'On 'N' On'.
- 'The Red, White and Blue' features prominently in Noel's 1993 notebook, is namechecked as one of the songs being worked on by the band in Monnow Valley by the Melody Maker (Jun 95) and is spoken about in Paolo Hewitt's 'Getting High' (Apr 97) (see the above quote) but doesn't feature in Noel's 1994 notebook in any capacity. Is this because it is masquerading under another title? Noel has been noted to flip-flop between titles before.
- There may be some additional weak links in the rest of the song but ultimately the rest of the lyrics seem pretty nonsensical to me. According to Noel "All the band really liked it but I knew if we played ['The Red, White and Blue'], it would cause more trouble than it was worth, which is why it got sacked." Having read the lyrics to 'On 'N' On' I highly doubt it would have upset anyone, but Noel has always been one to exaggerate.
- Do I think they're the same song? Probably not but I think it's interesting to note the similarities. Perhaps that verse does indeed describe that same event.
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Post by Zingbot on Nov 30, 2019 21:59:43 GMT -5
If you reverse Don't go away, and then reverse that, it sounds just like the original track.
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Post by oasismashups on Mar 13, 2020 15:52:43 GMT -5
Noel shouting "Hey nooooooooow!" around the 4:44 mark. You can clearly hear this in the SACD version, it's buried in the original mix I always thought that was a conversation between liam and Noel Liam 'It dosn't matter if its out to tune.... Noel 'But Liam' Liam 'But why? It dosn't matter if its out of tune.....because your cool!!' I might be wrong!! I think Noel says "it's miles off"? Then Liam says "It doesnt matter if it's out of tune, cause you're cool" Mystery solved.
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Post by shamumaybard on Mar 13, 2020 17:37:11 GMT -5
If you reverse Don't go away, and then reverse that, it sounds just like the original track. God you are an absolute genius please become a moderator.
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Post by matt on Mar 13, 2020 19:20:01 GMT -5
Nothing much but possibly a little link between 'The Red, White and Blue' and 'On 'N' On'. - 'The Red, White and Blue' features prominently in Noel's 1993 notebook, is namechecked as one of the songs being worked on by the band in Monnow Valley by the Melody Maker (Jun 95) and is spoken about in Paolo Hewitt's 'Getting High' (Apr 97) (see the above quote) but doesn't feature in Noel's 1994 notebook in any capacity. Is this because it is masquerading under another title? Noel has been noted to flip-flop between titles before. - There may be some additional weak links in the rest of the song but ultimately the rest of the lyrics seem pretty nonsensical to me. According to Noel " All the band really liked it but I knew if we played ['The Red, White and Blue'], it would cause more trouble than it was worth, which is why it got sacked." Having read the lyrics to 'On 'N' On' I highly doubt it would have upset anyone, but Noel has always been one to exaggerate. - Do I think they're the same song? Probably not but I think it's interesting to note the similarities. Perhaps that verse does indeed describe that same event. I have a really simple theory, merely in that the title scans well with this title, is that the lyrics were changed and eventually turned into I Hope I Think I Know?
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Mar 14, 2020 14:11:33 GMT -5
Nothing much but possibly a little link between 'The Red, White and Blue' and 'On 'N' On'. - 'The Red, White and Blue' features prominently in Noel's 1993 notebook, is namechecked as one of the songs being worked on by the band in Monnow Valley by the Melody Maker (Jun 95) and is spoken about in Paolo Hewitt's 'Getting High' (Apr 97) (see the above quote) but doesn't feature in Noel's 1994 notebook in any capacity. Is this because it is masquerading under another title? Noel has been noted to flip-flop between titles before. - There may be some additional weak links in the rest of the song but ultimately the rest of the lyrics seem pretty nonsensical to me. According to Noel " All the band really liked it but I knew if we played ['The Red, White and Blue'], it would cause more trouble than it was worth, which is why it got sacked." Having read the lyrics to 'On 'N' On' I highly doubt it would have upset anyone, but Noel has always been one to exaggerate. - Do I think they're the same song? Probably not but I think it's interesting to note the similarities. Perhaps that verse does indeed describe that same event. I have a really simple theory, merely in that the title scans well with this title, is that the lyrics were changed and eventually turned into I Hope I Think I Know? I think that 'The Red, The White and The Blue' likely didn't evolve into 'I Hope, I Think, I Know'. Like yourself a number of people have suggested that the songs are linked due to the phrasing of the titles but that's as far as that theory has ever gotten. Here's what I know about the origins of the songs: The most information about the song is from Paolo Hewitt's book in which a description is given which I'm sure you'll agree doesn't exactly sound like 'I Hope, I Think, I Know': It is also namechecked in Noel's 1993 notebook a few times and was possibly in contention as a b-side for a Definitely Maybe era single. A quick look through my notes suggests I've only seen it mentioned 2 more times. The first is in this article here: Melody Maker - 10th June 1995 The other time is in another article which I've quoted here: The two sources I have about the origins of 'I Hope, I Think, I Know' (Paolo Hewitt's account of it being soundchecked and Noel's interview with Chris Evans). Here they are transcribed: By the sounds of things the song hadn't been fully written by this point (but I guess it's possible he's just rewriting the lyrics).
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Mar 14, 2020 14:19:19 GMT -5
I have a really simple theory, merely in that the title scans well with this title, is that the lyrics were changed and eventually turned into I Hope I Think I Know? I think that 'The Red, The White and The Blue' likely didn't evolve into 'I Hope, I Think, I Know'. Like yourself a number of people have suggested that the songs are linked due to the phrasing of the titles but that's as far as that theory has ever gotten. Here's what I know about the origins of the songs: The most information about the song is from Paolo Hewitt's book in which a description is given which I'm sure you'll agree doesn't exactly sound like 'I Hope, I Think, I Know': I've speculated before that to my ears is 'Snakebite' does bear a slight resemblance to that description (drums/lead guitar)...
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Post by matt on Mar 14, 2020 16:08:49 GMT -5
I think that 'The Red, The White and The Blue' likely didn't evolve into 'I Hope, I Think, I Know'. Like yourself a number of people have suggested that the songs are linked due to the phrasing of the titles but that's as far as that theory has ever gotten. Here's what I know about the origins of the songs: The most information about the song is from Paolo Hewitt's book in which a description is given which I'm sure you'll agree doesn't exactly sound like 'I Hope, I Think, I Know': I've speculated before that to my ears is 'Snakebite' does bear a slight resemblance to that description (drums/lead guitar)... That's a shout and a half. Can immediately hear the similarities. On that note, such a shame that Snakebite was never developed or officially released. It's a great instrumental and the basis is there for a great song. Very Fall-esque. A shame it was never revisited in later years, could have been particularly useful when Noel's well of inspiration was drying up in the late 90s/early 00s.
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Post by forestfan on Mar 18, 2020 21:15:59 GMT -5
In the second bridge of DYOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN liam goes " I met my maker and made him cry" and someone probably Noel goes very softly, but im not going mad "Yes you did" listen up its there!! I can't hear this Go and listen 👂 Also tell it to the 29 people who agreed with me
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Post by underneaththesky on Apr 5, 2020 16:14:18 GMT -5
during Waiting For The Rapture, we can hear the roadie tuning Noel's acoustic from 18.35
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Post by underneaththesky on Apr 6, 2020 1:19:01 GMT -5
5.29 'her SOUL'
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Post by Flashbax on Jun 28, 2020 14:57:43 GMT -5
Lowlands 1994, Oasis' dressing room in the music video of Range Life by Pavement
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Post by welshylad on Aug 7, 2020 11:14:52 GMT -5
Liam had his hair cut on September 26th 1997. Honestly look at the pics from 25th Sept and before. Then look at the pics from the 26th onwards Bit stalkerish I know
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Post by The Escapist on Aug 7, 2020 15:44:57 GMT -5
Liam had his hair cut on September 26th 1997. Honestly look at the pics from 25th Sept and before. Then look at the pics from the 26th onwards Bit stalkerish I know This is why forums exist. You don't get stuff like that anywhere else.
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Post by oasisunited on Aug 17, 2020 8:08:28 GMT -5
Liam had his hair cut on September 26th 1997. Honestly look at the pics from 25th Sept and before. Then look at the pics from the 26th onwards Bit stalkerish I know I feel like I should add this to my timeline project as an Easter egg for L4E members: "On this day in 1997, Liam Gallagher gets a haircut." It can be immortalized on Twitter forever.
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