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Post by Oasisinet ARMY on Mar 25, 2009 5:33:04 GMT -5
DOYS ugliness made me consider DBTT in an even bigger light - I respect and admire it more than I did when it came out. It's possibly become one of my favorite rock albums of all time.
Its simply the best Oasis album since BHN (some claim since WTSMG). I wish Oasis had continued to make albums on DBTT's style and lines. Atleast.
What a disappointment.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2009 23:26:46 GMT -5
I hold both around the same level, with DOYS feeling a lot more adventurous with more stand out tracks.
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Post by Oasisinet ARMY on Mar 26, 2009 4:01:06 GMT -5
I hold both around the same level, with DOYS feeling a lot more adventurous with more stand out tracks. Na mate, step out into the real world. While DBTT had popular, stand out singles like Lyla (UK no.1), TIOBI (UK no.1) and LTBL (UK no. 2), DOYS has no proper single that stands out. They even did badly on the charts and airplay. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2009 21:16:02 GMT -5
I hold both around the same level, with DOYS feeling a lot more adventurous with more stand out tracks. Na mate, step out into the real world. While DBTT had popular, stand out singles like Lyla (UK no.1), TIOBI (UK no.1) and LTBL (UK no. 2), DOYS has no proper single that stands out. They even did badly on the charts and airplay. I'm aware of that, thank you, but I don't give a fuck about single placement. That's three out of eleven tracks, one of which shouldn't of even been released as a single (LTBL). DOYS has, at least, 7 stand out tracks to me. DBTT has TIOBI and Part of the Queue. Doesn't make it a bad album, quality-wise it's more consistent, but DOYS overall just has better (and worse) tunes. |
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Post by Cast on Mar 26, 2009 21:59:08 GMT -5
Na mate, step out into the real world. While DBTT had popular, stand out singles like Lyla (UK no.1), TIOBI (UK no.1) and LTBL (UK no. 2), DOYS has no proper single that stands out. They even did badly on the charts and airplay. I'm aware of that, thank you, but I don't give a fuck about single placement. That's three out of eleven tracks, one of which shouldn't of even been released as a single (LTBL). DOYS has, at least, 7 stand out tracks to me. DBTT has TIOBI and Part of the Queue. Doesn't make it a bad album, quality-wise it's more consistent, but DOYS overall just has better (and worse) tunes. this man speaks the truth. |
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Post by Oasisinet ARMY on Mar 27, 2009 3:56:59 GMT -5
I'm aware of that, thank you, but I don't give a fuck about single placement. That's three out of eleven tracks, one of which shouldn't of even been released as a single (LTBL). DOYS has, at least, 7 stand out tracks to me. DBTT has TIOBI and Part of the Queue. Doesn't make it a bad album, quality-wise it's more consistent, but DOYS overall just has better (and worse) tunes. this man speaks the truth. Only his 'own' truth. The whole world knows the reality of DOYS. DOYS is much below expectations. It is an experiment like SOTSOG which hasn't quite failed, but didn't go down well. It does not have any single worthy of 'standing out'. Can't you read the verdict? - below expectations chart performance (except at debut) , less sales, no great internet sales, not much post release media or public buzz........... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2009 4:51:20 GMT -5
this man speaks the truth. Only his 'own' truth. The whole world knows the reality of DOYS. DOYS is much below expectations. It is an experiment like SOTSOG which hasn't quite failed, but didn't go down well. It does not have any single worthy of 'standing out'. Can't you read the verdict? - below expectations chart performance (except at debut) , less sales, no great internet sales, not much post release media or public buzz........... My truth is the only one that matters to me. Don't care at all if DOYS sold only two copies or 2 billion copies, doesn't make it a worse album to me. Regardless, sales charts are so fickle and I rarely agree with them, so what's the point in following? If U2 outsells Beck, does suddenly mean I like U2 more? Hell no, mofos. And post release media? You gotta be joking man. Like I care if they're being reported on by the NME or Q Magazine. Public buzz? Sure, but only because DBTT had Lyla and TIOBI. I wont argue against DOYS's lack of singles, the choices have been predictable (TSOTL) and boring. Releasing Falling Down six months after it all ready debuted on another single (albeit as a remix) is plain laziness. The shit remixes don't help either. But, like I said, I don't care about sales and public buzz is in direct correlation to sales. The "public" are "buzzin'" off of Lady Gage and Flo Rida. Honestly, I'd stay away from the general public when it comes to music. And, really, I like both albums so I don't see the point in arguing. |
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Post by Headmaster on Mar 30, 2009 14:38:55 GMT -5
this man speaks the truth. Only his 'own' truth. The whole world knows the reality of DOYS. DOYS is much below expectations. It is an experiment like SOTSOG which hasn't quite failed, but didn't go down well. It does not have any single worthy of 'standing out'. Can't you read the verdict? - below expectations chart performance (except at debut) , less sales, no great internet sales, not much post release media or public buzz........... Who said that chart performance, sales, media and chart singles means a good album?? |
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Post by His Royal Majesty Revolver on Apr 1, 2009 0:10:35 GMT -5
DBTT is the best album since Heathen Chemistry!! But in all seriousness DBTT is about 30 miles better than DOYS and I've always thought that it's a great album.
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Post by Oasisinet ARMY on Apr 1, 2009 6:35:13 GMT -5
Only his 'own' truth. The whole world knows the reality of DOYS. DOYS is much below expectations. It is an experiment like SOTSOG which hasn't quite failed, but didn't go down well. It does not have any single worthy of 'standing out'. Can't you read the verdict? - below expectations chart performance (except at debut) , less sales, no great internet sales, not much post release media or public buzz........... Who said that chart performance, sales, media and chart singles means a good album?? Dear Headmaster, The reality is that most of the times - chart performance, sales, media and chart singles - provide the proof of how good or bad an album is or was. Sometimes, or a fewer of the times, they don't. But when you see everything about an album being below the level (that was achieved by the band's previous albums), then you know for sure that the album is not being liked by the general public (though some individuals still might like it very very much). Headmaster, this is the case with DOYS. From sales to chart positions - it's performed below the performance of its predecessor albums (HC and DBTT) on every account. While, the last few Oasis songs touched No. 1, 2 and3s on the UK charts, this album's singles struggled to make it to even Top 5, with only one single being in Top 5. If this doesn't prove the lack of reception by the people, than what does their previous singles' good chart performance proved - a Fluke? a Co-incidence? No, sir. I think they were genuine, quality songs better than the current one. And if that is not enough for you, then trust me, I've seen less crowd and much less enthu (enthusiasm) for this album on the internet music chat rooms and oasis fan sites than that for DBTT, post release. Yours affectionately, THE ARMY. |
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Post by checkwithmemum on Apr 1, 2009 8:01:32 GMT -5
Seeing as we are arguing on "facts" and not your opinions of the albums  DOYS reached the highest chart position of any Oasis album in the US since Be Here Now. This alone obviously proves it is a better album than SOTSOG, HC and DBTT.  See how useless the chart positioning is? Proves that during any given week X number of people walked down to the store and bought the same cd, doesn't have anything to do with quality. |
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Post by Headmaster on Apr 1, 2009 14:19:40 GMT -5
Who said that chart performance, sales, media and chart singles means a good album?? Dear Headmaster, The reality is that most of the times - chart performance, sales, media and chart singles - provide the proof of how good or bad an album is or was. Sometimes, or a fewer of the times, they don't. But when you see everything about an album being below the level (that was achieved by the band's previous albums), then you know for sure that the album is not being liked by the general public (though some individuals still might like it very very much). Headmaster, this is the case with DOYS. From sales to chart positions - it's performed below the performance of its predecessor albums (HC and DBTT) on every account. While, the last few Oasis songs touched No. 1, 2 and3s on the UK charts, this album's singles struggled to make it to even Top 5, with only one single being in Top 5. If this doesn't prove the lack of reception by the people, than what does their previous singles' good chart performance proved - a Fluke? a Co-incidence? No, sir. I think they were genuine, quality songs better than the current one. And if that is not enough for you, then trust me, I've seen less crowd and much less enthu (enthusiasm) for this album on the internet music chat rooms and oasis fan sites than that for DBTT, post release. Yours affectionately, THE ARMY. I agree with some parts you had say, but you also are saing that great albums like Loveless aren't goog because didn't sell well ou didn't have hit singles. Thats the case with DOYS, its an album that doesn't have hit singles but doesn't mean it is a bad album just because of it. Look at HC, it has great singles, but in no way is a good album, the opposite occur in DOYS, it is a great album with less pop singles. Liking DOYS or DBTT is a case of personal preference. |
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Post by tank13 on Apr 2, 2009 8:37:17 GMT -5
I thought DBTT was a proper reinvention of Oasis, really entering a second stage as a band. I thought they left behind the efforts and ambitions to write huge stadium rocking anthems. The DBTT songs are effortless, laid back, fun, original, etc. Everything on that album blends together seamlessly. I think thats the true beauty of DBTT. It is a fantastic album.Shit you can even throw some of the sessions leftovers on there and it'd still be a great album, i.e. LDSMD, Eyeball tickler.
DOYS is good. But i don't prefer it over DBTT. I stayed away from reviews and fan reviews on purpose. I streamed it on myspace b.c I couldn't wait. I think there's some great tunes. But looking back now, nearly 6 months later, the album doesn't really do it for me. Some people on this forum cream themselves over certain songs. Is it because its the flavor of the month? I don't know. there is some brilliance on the record, namely the Turning, TBWTL, and TSOLT. the rest is ok. I those other songs lack the big pay off. It leaves you wanting more. Its , like "thats all? WTF?" I'd still take DBTT over DOYS
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2009 18:54:39 GMT -5
Album sales usually matter? Err, what about The Village Green Preservation, The Velvet Underground and Nico, Raw Power, Pink Moon, Forever Changes, Odessey and Oracle, Marquee Moon, Low, Ramones, Friends, Loveless....
I'd hate to continue the argument, but if you look at a list of the greatest albums of whatever decade, you'll probably find that at least half of them dropped off the charts after a week or were outright ignored by the general public.
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Post by LlAM on Apr 15, 2009 7:36:52 GMT -5
When exactly did DOYS "fail"? And what's all this about "continuing to make albums on DBTT's style and lines"? DOYS is like DBTT mk2 for fucks sake  |
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Post by baresolid on Apr 15, 2009 14:37:42 GMT -5
Albums that are being listed here as great albums that bubbled under were generally not by bands considered to be the biggest in the country with one of the largest established fanbases. Oasis underpoerformed with Dig Out Your Soul, Noel has even admitted it himself in a roundabout way, when he said that they had two songs that shouldn't even be on there, and he couldn't wait two weeks for Liam to come back and record the better songs, hence the terrible second half.
DBTT will stand the test of time, it has sold what, six million copies, it will be canonized as a great album and may even become somewhat of a forgotten treasure, but when we look back on this period in years later, we will consider the newest record to be the second worst of the lot.
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Post by fastfuse on Apr 15, 2009 14:56:07 GMT -5
When exactly did DOYS "fail"? And what's all this about "continuing to make albums on DBTT's style and lines"? DOYS is like DBTT mk2 for fucks sake  Spot on....Its like the Beatles with Revolver and Rubber Soul, you could play any of these songs on either album and they'd sound fine. I prefere Bag It Up to Turn Up The Sun, but I think The Importance Of Being Idle pisses on Get Off Your High Horse Lady. I like both albums I dont really care which one its the best its pointless. There just solid albums.....Where as Heathen Chemistry on the other hand......  |
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Post by maxkl on Apr 19, 2009 14:39:16 GMT -5
Albums that are being listed here as great albums that bubbled under were generally not by bands considered to be the biggest in the country with one of the largest established fanbases. Oasis underpoerformed with Dig Out Your Soul, Noel has even admitted it himself in a roundabout way, when he said that they had two songs that shouldn't even be on there, and he couldn't wait two weeks for Liam to come back and record the better songs, hence the terrible second half. DBTT will stand the test of time, it has sold what, six million copies, it will be canonized as a great album and may even become somewhat of a forgotten treasure, but when we look back on this period in years later, we will consider the newest record to be the second worst of the lot. Thank you for telling us how we will feel in the future. Obviously, you would know. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2009 16:10:36 GMT -5
Albums that are being listed here as great albums that bubbled under were generally not by bands considered to be the biggest in the country with one of the largest established fanbases. Oasis underpoerformed with Dig Out Your Soul, Noel has even admitted it himself in a roundabout way, when he said that they had two songs that shouldn't even be on there, and he couldn't wait two weeks for Liam to come back and record the better songs, hence the terrible second half. DBTT will stand the test of time, it has sold what, six million copies, it will be canonized as a great album and may even become somewhat of a forgotten treasure, but when we look back on this period in years later, we will consider the newest record to be the second worst of the lot. You have a good and true point in the first paragraph. But, unless you have a crystal ball, the rest is just pure conjecture. Honestly, unless Oasis really pull something out in the future, none of their albums aside from the first two will be "canonized as a great album". And, despite what Wikipedia may say, there is absolutely no way DBTT sold six million copies. Two million, at the most, going off of the estimated sales off around 1 million to 1.5 million in the UK. |
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Post by Marcos on Apr 20, 2009 8:13:34 GMT -5
DBTT has only one standout track that is The Importance Of Being Idle but as a whole, it is such a wonderfull album with a vibe that none of the other oasis records have.. i love it DOYS has 6 standout tracks in my opinion: Bag It Up, The Turning, Waiting For The Rapture, The Shock Of The Lightning, Outta Time and Falling Down.. the rest of the album is pure crap (i quite like High Horse Lady tho) so DBTT wins |
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Post by Oasisinet ARMY on Apr 24, 2009 6:36:41 GMT -5
Albums that are being listed here as great albums that bubbled under were generally not by bands considered to be the biggest in the country with one of the largest established fanbases. Oasis underpoerformed with Dig Out Your Soul, Noel has even admitted it himself in a roundabout way, when he said that they had two songs that shouldn't even be on there, and he couldn't wait two weeks for Liam to come back and record the better songs, hence the terrible second half. DBTT will stand the test of time, it has sold what, six million copies, it will be canonized as a great album and may even become somewhat of a forgotten treasure, but when we look back on this period in years later, we will consider the newest record to be the second worst of the lot. At least we've got one sane mind here. I can't believe it when some people go on to labeling DOYS as a 'classic' Oasis album. 5 years down the line everyone will know the diff. between a re-inventive DBTT and a below par experimental DOYS. I just hope next Oasis album is NOT like DOYS. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2009 15:43:51 GMT -5
Albums that are being listed here as great albums that bubbled under were generally not by bands considered to be the biggest in the country with one of the largest established fanbases. Oasis underpoerformed with Dig Out Your Soul, Noel has even admitted it himself in a roundabout way, when he said that they had two songs that shouldn't even be on there, and he couldn't wait two weeks for Liam to come back and record the better songs, hence the terrible second half. DBTT will stand the test of time, it has sold what, six million copies, it will be canonized as a great album and may even become somewhat of a forgotten treasure, but when we look back on this period in years later, we will consider the newest record to be the second worst of the lot. At least we've got one sane mind here. I can't believe it when some people go on to labeling DOYS as a 'classic' Oasis album. 5 years down the line everyone will know the diff. between a re-inventive DBTT and a below par experimental DOYS. I just hope next Oasis album is NOT like DOYS. There hasn't been a "classic" Oasis album since the 90s |
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Post by His Royal Majesty Revolver on Apr 27, 2009 16:20:53 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't know why people are getting all classic and whatnot on here. Fuck. There is so much being said in this thread that it is making my head spin mega!!
My two cents.
1) who cares about popular opinion? I mean, I love Oasis in the news, seeing the band come here on tour, hearing the songs on the radio and hearing that Oasis' single has reached no. 1 in the UK, but frankly music nowadays is terrible and I don't think that, at least here in North America, Oasis are going to really stick around in the headlines for long.
2) even though DOYS has some pitfalls, it is still a decent album and I, for one, am very happy to see that Oasis is still making music and that it is not the same useless nonsense every album. Keep the evolution going.
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Post by Strawberries&Cream on May 17, 2009 10:01:03 GMT -5
DBTT is easily my second favorite oasis album, behind DM.
The production is so good, it sounds light and epic.
I like DOYS as well, i love it for not having those chart-songs. It's a great rock album, but nog my fave.
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Post by notpaul on May 29, 2009 13:32:37 GMT -5
Dig Out Your Soul was a great album. It's probably their best since Be Here Now.
Only it was much different from other Oasis stuff. It has a totally different sound, and I could understand why someone wouldn't like it.
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Spot on....Its like the Beatles with Revolver and Rubber Soul, you could play any of these songs on either album and they'd sound fine. I prefere Bag It Up to Turn Up The Sun, but I think The Importance Of Being Idle pisses on Get Off Your High Horse Lady. I like both albums I dont really care which one its the best its pointless. There just solid albums.....Where as Heathen Chemistry on the other hand...... 
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