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Post by His Royal Majesty Revolver on Jun 9, 2009 14:59:06 GMT -5
Everyone is just infatuated with the most recent whatever. Drummer is on that list.
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Post by caimanque on Jun 11, 2009 15:55:07 GMT -5
Zak plays the same beat aswell, but he just does it basically, Allan added fills when ever he could. Look at this. Nothing fits better with the rythm guitar. Alan had style, Zak slowed down Oasis and made them sound less interesting. That was the ONLY song Zak could'nt get properly. Even Zak admited it. But most part of live acts Zak sounded powerfull. Maybe too much powerfull to wonderwall. Again please, at least, let's talk objectively. |
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Post by hangthedj on Jun 11, 2009 15:58:48 GMT -5
Listen to Zak playing Won't get fooled again with The Who in the royal albert hall, especially the drum solo, it's just amazing, even better than the original.
Or if you want something like that but playing with Oasis, listen to the V Festival gig, his drumming is just mindblowing there.
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Post by His Royal Majesty Revolver on Jun 11, 2009 20:48:46 GMT -5
There are certainly times when it fits him. Totally. No argument. But if you are going to call Whitey average then you may as well paint Zak with the same brush. You are comparing apples to oranges. I don't like Zak but he's got some good selling points for sure. Alan is just forgotten and apparently doesn't hit stuff like a primate they way that a drummer should....
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Post by lampard on Jun 11, 2009 21:04:55 GMT -5
Best drummer they've ever played with was Steve White. I've made this point several times on this forum. He basically played like Alan only with alot more energy and put alot more power into it. alan white + zak starkey = steve white. amazing drummer. i've got a bootleg of the greek theatre gig from the tour of brotherly love and it's mindblowing. as for chris sharrock, he definitely is talented. only problem is, on some songs he's taking the drumming from the studio recordings and for DM that's a problem cos he's copying a shit drummer! this is highlighted on supersonic .. the drumming is solid yes, but nothing more. |
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Post by His Royal Majesty Revolver on Jun 11, 2009 22:39:13 GMT -5
Ahhh..... Tony fucking rocks man! Seriously great that Sharrock is copying it rather than doing what Zak and Alan did by trying to "update" it or whatever
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Post by Cast on Jun 11, 2009 22:54:37 GMT -5
alan's snare hits on the and of supersonic made it a bit funnier in a live setting. I love the tempo of Supersonic on the record as Gem has said but live its less like "walking through water" and more like "lets fuckin have it"
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Post by NYR on Jun 12, 2009 0:20:49 GMT -5
sharrock's great. i think he meshes all three styles of previous oasis drummers: the meat-and-potatoes style of mccarroll (though he couldn't play anything else), the jazzy, rolling style of whitey and the keith moon-taught power of zak.
i think they should stay with chris and make him a full member.
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Post by bankrobber on Jun 12, 2009 2:18:45 GMT -5
totally agree .... make chris a fully fledged member
and whats wrong with copying the drumming from the albums, after all we WANT to hear the album songs, you dont want too much changed when they are played live - i'd rarther Noel do some great new twist on the guitar, as he's been doing - that makes the songs sound fressh, not the drumming
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Post by mic15372 on Jun 12, 2009 13:27:01 GMT -5
It's all a matter of taste. I prefer listening to live performances between 00 and 02. They include great drumming and the Noel's solos. I know they was the odd bum note but song's like RnRS & C&A were a breath of fresh air at the time.
Come 2004 and Noel was back playing the album solos with album drumming. I always thought that era of live recordings sounded a little flat to me, partially down to the drumming.
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Post by Protector of reality on Jun 12, 2009 13:28:38 GMT -5
Zak plays the same beat aswell, but he just does it basically, Allan added fills when ever he could. Look at this. Nothing fits better with the rythm guitar. Alan had style, Zak slowed down Oasis and made them sound less interesting. That was the ONLY song Zak could'nt get properly. Even Zak admited it. But most part of live acts Zak sounded powerfull. Maybe too much powerfull to wonderwall. Again please, at least, let's talk objectively. Zak couldnt get DLBIA either and he ruined the lively poppy bouncy drumming from Supersonic. He would never managed CNS or AATW or IHITIK |
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Post by blueice on Jun 12, 2009 14:02:44 GMT -5
sharrock's great. i think he meshes all three styles of previous oasis drummers: the meat-and-potatoes style of mccarroll (though he couldn't play anything else), the jazzy, rolling style of whitey and the keith moon-taught power of zak. i think they should stay with chris and make him a full member. [2]. Sharrock is utter brilliant. |
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Post by Jazzvi on Jun 12, 2009 15:20:17 GMT -5
I dont like sharrock's snare drum tone. sounds like another tom-tom to me.
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Post by Leezy on Jun 13, 2009 7:45:49 GMT -5
BTW, anyone knows how are the relations between oasis & steve white now that they sacked alan...? is he still playin with weller..? I spoke to Steve not too long ago and from what i could gather he doesn't hold too much bitterness towards Oasis for kicking his brother out, saying that though I think its clear Oasis aren't on his list of 'top bands', lol. Good to see Alan picking up his sticks again and jamming with his brother and Trio Valore. On the question of Steve playin with Weller again, I'm almost certain they'll be playing live and recording together very soon (Steve certainly thinks so). The only reason Whitey had to drop out of the recording sessions and tour was because he was already busy at the time with his drum clinics and tour with Trio Valore. To be honest, I think I would of rather seen Alan White on tour with Weller than Steve Pilgrim, i just didnt think his style suited Wellers. I have to say, whilst I admire Zak and Chris's drumming, for me Alan and his style was perfect for Oasis, without a doubt! |
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Post by maxkl on Jun 13, 2009 8:58:49 GMT -5
It's all a matter of taste. I prefer listening to live performances between 00 and 02. They include great drumming and the Noel's solos. I know they was the odd bum note but song's like RnRS & C&A were a breath of fresh air at the time. Come 2004 and Noel was back playing the album solos with album drumming. I always thought that era of live recordings sounded a little flat to me, partially down to the drumming. Heh, it's actually the complete opposite for me. I think the weakest period of Oasis live is definitely 2001/02/03; mainly because of Alan's drumming. The sound of it is horrific; it sounds boring, tired and drags the songs down. Compare Maine Road to some bootlegs on the net like Odyssey Arena, Belfast in 2003. The difference is shocking. However, the DBTT was quality for me; I thought Zak had a brilliant style and made the songs far more interesting and exciting. Whilst Zak is easily my favourite Oasis drummer (just listen to DBTT!) Chris is an excellent second place. |
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Post by B.e.D.e. on Jun 13, 2009 21:38:05 GMT -5
Zak plays the same beat aswell, but he just does it basically, Allan added fills when ever he could. Look at this. Nothing fits better with the rythm guitar. Alan had style, Zak slowed down Oasis and made them sound less interesting. That was the ONLY song Zak could'nt get properly. Even Zak admited it. But most part of live acts Zak sounded powerfull. Maybe too much powerfull to wonderwall. Again please, at least, let's talk objectively. What about Live Forever? Alan: Zak: Alan by far is the better drummer of this song as well... |
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Post by His Royal Majesty Revolver on Jun 14, 2009 18:01:59 GMT -5
with respect to Live Forever it is no contest. Tony is the only one who'll ever do it properly in my books.
But I do agree with everyone saying that Chris is synthesising the parts well. Some issues there with songs in particular but overall he grabs from everyone and makes it his own while not changing anything much. Cheers man!
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Post by mei on Jun 14, 2009 19:15:39 GMT -5
lol
lol
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do you have a clue about music or are you deaf most of you.
You cant judge that much wrong when it comes to drums.
Tony was terrible.He barely hit the kit in most of the songs.One beat drummer didnt they call him?
Alan was pretty average.He lacked technique,power and imagination.I can rate him as pretty average due to he was pretty stable onstage and some of his inspirations in studio was good.However,if you listen to his overall contribution to the songs,its pretty fucking flat.Identical beats over and over and over again.Dont get me started about the fills.He couldnt do it as simple as that.He learned how to do one and used it sometimes thats it.
Zak is a good drummer.If you have listened to some of his footage with who you can easily get that.However,during his spell with oasis,he couldnt shine for some reason.He oversimplified most things,and threw one of that and one of the other in some parts of the songs live and in studio that showed that he was of some value.He probably thought,well its oasis,simple rock and roll music lets keep it simple that screwed him big time.
Chris is good.The vest i heard for oasis live.In studio the jury is still out.
Now dont get me wrong oasis is my favourite band.But their music is pretty simple and straightforward.Thats not a bad thing of course.If you wanted to hear really technical and deep thought stuff go listen to classical music or sth.They cant have a drummer like gavin harrison of porcupine tree cause he cant use his skills on this kind of music.There is however space to show your talent and enthusiasm and thats what Chris is doing perfectly at the moment during their live performances.
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Post by maxkl on Jun 15, 2009 15:15:37 GMT -5
^^^^^^^ It's funny, I thought quality of music was an opinion not a fact. Thank you for enlightening us "deaf" people.  |
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Post by His Royal Majesty Revolver on Jun 15, 2009 17:28:03 GMT -5
K+1 Maxhl
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Post by Cast on Jun 15, 2009 20:32:46 GMT -5
Alan was pretty average.He lacked technique,power and imagination.I can rate him as pretty average due to he was pretty stable onstage and some of his inspirations in studio was good.However,if you listen to his overall contribution to the songs,its pretty fucking flat.Identical beats over and over and over again.Dont get me started about the fills.He couldnt do it as simple as that.He learned how to do one and used it sometimes thats it. yeah his average technique and imagination or clearly shown on the Wonderwall drum track. Nothing fits better to the song than that drum beat. Power is something that depends on the drummer. not all drummers are John Bonham. Alan had more of a jazz back ground than a hard rock back ground. You can't criticize him over that he may not like the fact that he doesn't bash the drums but thats just how he was raised on the drums. but you have to admit FITB, ICSAL, and just about everything on BHN sounds pretty fucking powerful. He only knew one or a couple fills? Bull shit. Listen to Hello, Cast no Shadow, ICSAL, or the fills in Champagne Supernova. Alan wasn't just a drummer in the band. The guy helped Noel figure out what tempo would fit the songs the best. Also in the studio Alan used several techniques. The guy just about reintroduced rutes (the type of drum stick heard in WTSMG quite a bit heard in WW, CNS) to a new generation. He also used various techniques in the studio such as putting tea bags on the drums for Little James to make them sound more like Ringo's drums. Sure these are minor things but these creative and small things that help out the songs quite a bit. The thing about Tony is that while a total joke of a drummer his opening beats in DM are just quality. I mean rarely since Tony left have we had drum intros into songs like Live Forever, Supersonic, or Bring It On Down. Over course Live Forever started with drums cos Owen Morris cut out the acoustic intro and perhaps Noel evolved as a song writer and moved away from the style of letting the drums kick up so thunderously. But still i give tony a tiny bit of props because those opening drum beats are just mega. |
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Post by mei on Jun 16, 2009 4:40:49 GMT -5
well I already said I liked a lot of his inspirations on the album tracks,wonderwall included.However Im still sure he didnt fit oasis much.Just because he found himself on the greatest and biggest band on the world during 1995-1998,doesnt mean he was the best for oasis.Anyway.
Tony was a joke like you said.I also liked his drum beats.Or most likely loved a lot of them.Like supersonic,bring it on down and live forever.Even a friend drummer of mine loves them two,nothing to do with it being simple,They are powerful and they draw your attention immediately.Of course some of the other things that he says is that alan looks like hes talking on the cellphone sometimes while playing drums(leaning towards his right side) and does very little to emphasize the song parts.
Well hes out of the band and i like the new drummer so i should quit bitching dont i?
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Post by Protector of reality on Jun 16, 2009 11:44:47 GMT -5
I agree that he wasnt great on Tonys songs, with exception of this. Look how he draws the crowd into the beat before the song began.
Not to mention Swamp song at that concert
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Post by His Royal Majesty Revolver on Jun 16, 2009 15:17:31 GMT -5
Cast is beyond right. If Alan wasn't a fit for the band they why did he stay with them for like 8 years. Ridiculous. There is no way that you can look at Alan's work and not say that he was the one with the ideas. Noel is not a drummer, and he let Alan figure things out for himself. This was definitely strongest on MG, BHN, and SOTSOG, but even on HC there are some excellent moments for Whitey
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Post by Protector of reality on Jun 17, 2009 12:09:12 GMT -5
lol lol lol do you have a clue about music or are you deaf most of you. You cant judge that much wrong when it comes to drums. Tony was terrible.He barely hit the kit in most of the songs.One beat drummer didnt they call him? Alan was pretty average.He lacked technique,power and imagination.I can rate him as pretty average due to he was pretty stable onstage and some of his inspirations in studio was good.However,if you listen to his overall contribution to the songs,its pretty fucking flat.Identical beats over and over and over again.Dont get me started about the fills.He couldnt do it as simple as that.He learned how to do one and used it sometimes thats it. Zak is a good drummer.If you have listened to some of his footage with who you can easily get that.However,during his spell with oasis,he couldnt shine for some reason.He oversimplified most things,and threw one of that and one of the other in some parts of the songs live and in studio that showed that he was of some value.He probably thought,well its oasis,simple rock and roll music lets keep it simple that screwed him big time. Chris is good.The vest i heard for oasis live.In studio the jury is still out. Now dont get me wrong oasis is my favourite band.But their music is pretty simple and straightforward.Thats not a bad thing of course.If you wanted to hear really technical and deep thought stuff go listen to classical music or sth.They cant have a drummer like gavin harrison of porcupine tree cause he cant use his skills on this kind of music.There is however space to show your talent and enthusiasm and thats what Chris is doing perfectly at the moment during their live performances. You're and arrogant fucking twat |
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