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Post by Protector of reality on Feb 13, 2009 11:56:38 GMT -5
I've always been curious to hear what some of the people on this forum think of Noel.
I thinks hes Ok, as a guitarist myself, and seeing as i dont only listen to music I've really had a chance to experience different styles and different guitarsits works.
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Post by hangthedj on Feb 13, 2009 14:58:46 GMT -5
He's good, he can do good solos, just see the G-mex gig in 1997, all the songs are great and have very good guitar parts.
Maybe he doesn't move his fingers like a fucking madman, but he doesn't need it to be a great guitarrist.
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Post by Protector of reality on Feb 13, 2009 16:10:50 GMT -5
Ohh very true, fucking madman guitar is just stupid. But would you consider him technically tallented at building up solos?
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Post by lampard on Feb 13, 2009 20:44:39 GMT -5
he's not the best, but he's better than he says. when he has some balls and isn't so self-concious he can really pull out some riffs.
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Post by Guigs on Feb 14, 2009 1:23:20 GMT -5
I think people should distinguish between two things:
1 writing good guitar tracks and riffs
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2 technical skills
I'd say he's amazing at 1 because he's written some great tracks over the years, but technically he's nothing special. There is no way you can compare him to guys like Hendrix or Page. Even Squire made him look like an amateur on CS at knebworth.
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Post by checkwithmemum on Feb 14, 2009 2:27:51 GMT -5
technically he is an average guitarist but his creative streak and the songs he has written are amazing so I rate him. Don't need to be a fret-wanker to be a good guitarist
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Feb 14, 2009 8:14:31 GMT -5
Shreding doesn't count as a guitar skill
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Post by Protector of reality on Feb 14, 2009 9:21:11 GMT -5
Shreding doesn't count as a guitar skill well ye duhhhh.... I don't play World of Warcraft and i wear clean socks. |
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Post by Protector of reality on Feb 14, 2009 9:24:33 GMT -5
Just because you've written some killer songs doesn't make you a No. 1 guitarist.
In my opinion he is never any higher than 2. He's written some great songs but most of them are based on how a melody contrasts the main harmony. Which is almsot always chord progressions consisting of often thre same chords. On that note, have you noticed how much Noel uses G?! and Am! Hes genius for the way he constructs his songs and how good they work out. But that doesnt make him a good guitarist. It makes him musically talented. In my opinion
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Post by Protector of reality on Feb 14, 2009 9:27:53 GMT -5
theres alot more between shredding and Noels style. Think of Angus Young! Now that man is a genius on guitars. Don't think of saying otherwise because it isn't opinion, it's fact.
(sorry to sound arrogant but there just isnt any arguements on that subject)
But what about Slash?, eric Clapton?, Hendrix?, Page?, Thin Lizzy?
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Post by NYR on Feb 14, 2009 9:41:48 GMT -5
Shreding doesn't count as a guitar skill i would disagree, to a certain extent. shredding takes loads of technical skill. it's how you incorporate it into your playing that makes you a good guitarist. for example, steve vai, joe satriani, frank zappa and randy rhoads. if you think everybody who can shred plays like yngwie malmsteen (that sad, sad man), well, that's on you. |
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Post by TheEXPERIENCE on Feb 14, 2009 10:24:57 GMT -5
I don't give a shit how "technically" good he is...He's written some of the best guitar solos I've ever heard. I'll take solos like Live Forever, DLBIA and CS over some "technically" amazing guitarist whaling up and down the fret board. I'll never forget the first time I played Live Forever for one of my friends and he said "I've never heard a guitar solo like that"...because he actually plays melodic solos, not just showing off how he can do this and that. So is it "technically" difficult to play? No...but I can't think of many people who have written ones that sound as good
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Post by Guigs on Feb 14, 2009 12:19:06 GMT -5
Look at the great guitarists of the last 30 years and you won't find many that relied on shredding or playing really fast. I don't agree when people say things like "noel doesn't have to be a shredder to be good" because there are others who don't shred and are much better than Noel.
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Post by NYR on Feb 14, 2009 13:25:01 GMT -5
Look at the great guitarists of the last 30 years and you won't find many that relied on shredding or playing really fast. I don't agree when people say things like "noel doesn't have to be a shredder to be good" because there are others who don't shred and are much better than Noel. good point. hell, in my top 5 best guitarists of the past 30 years, noel isn't close to being on it. |
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Post by Protector of reality on Feb 14, 2009 14:03:32 GMT -5
I don't give a shit how "technically" good he is...He's written some of the best guitar solos I've ever heard. I'll take solos like Live Forever, DLBIA and CS over some "technically" amazing guitarist whaling up and down the fret board. I'll never forget the first time I played Live Forever for one of my friends and he said "I've never heard a guitar solo like that"...because he actually plays melodic solos, not just showing off how he can do this and that. So is it "technically" difficult to play? No...but I can't think of many people who have written ones that sound as good All of the guitarists i have mentions and many more have made some much better melodic solos than Live forever or DLBIA. Didnt Paul Weller do CS???.... And yes CS live and the extended outro live is good but niot great. Not much skill required at all my friend. Its pretty easy for anyone whos got a nice chord progression to take the easiest most accesible pentatonic scale and build a solo. When my family hear me play Oasis they always say it sounds the same. Its true, Liveforever, Supersonic, C&A, the solos all consist of the very same basics, they dont sound much alike but their so alike. |
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Post by TheEXPERIENCE on Feb 14, 2009 16:19:37 GMT -5
I don't give a shit how "technically" good he is...He's written some of the best guitar solos I've ever heard. I'll take solos like Live Forever, DLBIA and CS over some "technically" amazing guitarist whaling up and down the fret board. I'll never forget the first time I played Live Forever for one of my friends and he said "I've never heard a guitar solo like that"...because he actually plays melodic solos, not just showing off how he can do this and that. So is it "technically" difficult to play? No...but I can't think of many people who have written ones that sound as good All of the guitarists i have mentions and many more have made some much better melodic solos than Live forever or DLBIA. Didnt Paul Weller do CS???.... And yes CS live and the extended outro live is good but niot great. Not much skill required at all my friend. Its pretty easy for anyone whos got a nice chord progression to take the easiest most accesible pentatonic scale and build a solo. When my family hear me play Oasis they always say it sounds the same. Its true, Liveforever, Supersonic, C&A, the solos all consist of the very same basics, they dont sound much alike but their so alike. But that's why I love Noel's solos. They're all pretty basic, yet great. Maybe I'm crazy but I think it's harder to create an ORIGINAL solo out of something very basic than to be an amazing guitarist like Clapton and just do things hardly anyone else can do. Obviously Clapton is one of the best of all time, but I don't think he's got half the creativity of Noel. |
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Post by TheEXPERIENCE on Feb 14, 2009 16:23:18 GMT -5
Look at the great guitarists of the last 30 years and you won't find many that relied on shredding or playing really fast. I don't agree when people say things like "noel doesn't have to be a shredder to be good" because there are others who don't shred and are much better than Noel. good point. hell, in my top 5 best guitarists of the past 30 years, noel isn't close to being on it. He's not in my top 5 guitarists, but he sure as fuck is in my top 5 songwriters. And the solo is part of a writing the song...I don't care if it looks all that hard in concert |
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Post by NYR on Feb 14, 2009 17:35:44 GMT -5
good point. hell, in my top 5 best guitarists of the past 30 years, noel isn't close to being on it. He's not in my top 5 guitarists, but he sure as fuck is in my top 5 songwriters. And the solo is part of a writing the song...I don't care if it looks all that hard in concert but we're not talking about songwriting skills. you and a few others are confusing guitar solos with songwriting. noel isn't david gilmour, who writes his solos like a melody. he fiddles around and later writes it out before recording it. i doubt noel does that. |
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Post by TheEXPERIENCE on Feb 14, 2009 19:55:41 GMT -5
He's not in my top 5 guitarists, but he sure as fuck is in my top 5 songwriters. And the solo is part of a writing the song...I don't care if it looks all that hard in concert but we're not talking about songwriting skills. you and a few others are confusing guitar solos with songwriting. noel isn't david gilmour, who writes his solos like a melody. he fiddles around and later writes it out before recording it. i doubt noel does that. No he's not David Gilmour, but then again you're talking about one of the greatest musicians to ever live. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2009 20:18:09 GMT -5
He's okay. He does the job and does it well, nothing special really about his playing any more.
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Post by TheEXPERIENCE on Feb 14, 2009 20:58:44 GMT -5
He's okay. He does the job and does it well, nothing special really about his playing any more. Nowadays, he really is nothing special on the guitar. But in the early days, his solos were so original and great. Now he's either too lazy or just can't go it without the drugs |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2009 5:06:32 GMT -5
He's okay. He does the job and does it well, nothing special really about his playing any more. Nowadays, he really is nothing special on the guitar. But in the early days, his solos were so original and great. Now he's either too lazy or just can't go it without the drugs It's probably more of the former. At the very least, he should allow Gem more solos. |
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Post by digsyssupper on Feb 19, 2009 7:35:02 GMT -5
Noels come up with one or two great riffs ill give him that, he isnt up there with Page , Marr , clapton or gilmour
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Post by thebluemeaniee on Feb 21, 2009 23:00:07 GMT -5
i said he's was good but not the greatest,still a talented man.wich is all true shit he's a right better guitarist better than i'll ever be.
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Post by Protector of reality on Mar 27, 2009 15:14:09 GMT -5
Jeeeesus the smiths were some ugly bastards
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