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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 23, 2008 1:40:22 GMT -5
[If this belongs in RnR section, I apologize, but since he's touring with Oasis, it's related.....] *Based off my experience of the Oasis gig in Camden, NJ on Friday December 19th* No one commented on this, except for me; and no one responded to it either. So I don't know if this is happening on the entire tour, or just limited to a few shows, like the one on Friday in Camden, NJ. So, the first act, Matt Costa, played a short set list and most people weren't in their seats yet; and got the respect you would expect from a lesser name [although one of my friends I went with is really into him] - a few claps, nothing more and nothing less. Respectable. As Ryan Adams took the stage, the arena was filling in, when he was halfway into his setlist, almost everyone was in their seats. However, the reception he got was no where near respectable, and way beyond appalling. He got heckled: Booed. Told to fuck off. Told to shut up. When he was bantering with the band, people were screaming out "We don't fucking care" When saying "we're going to play this song" someone right near me in the center-back, shouted "Play it back stage" [Which I did find funny and kudos for the originality, but still unwarranted] There is no doubt that this happened section-wide, as even he commented on it by saying "I know we're not Oasis, etc etc" and sarcastically said "You've been great" as he walked off. I can understand booing and heckling if you weren't expecting him - But it was printed on the ticket: RYAN ADAMS/OASIS, so you knew he would open and play for 1 hour I can understand booing and heckling if it's a bad performance -But it wasn't. Despite what you think of him, he was fine live and set the scene perfectly for what was to follow. I know it was reported that on the Ryan Adams forums that his fans would walk off and leave after he performed. Which I think is rude, too. But it's one step better.....If you didn't want to see Ryan Adams, go and chill outside the arena and get something to eat/drink at the concession stands, and then come in when Oasis come on. I know Philadelphia fans are suppose to be hard, same with Oasis fans. But that's no excuse. Noel has already spoken how much a band responds to the audience - if they're into, the band are into it (common sense). And yeah, he's has the real laugh as he counts his millions he's made; but "he is human, and he needs to be loved just like everybody else", ignoring the gay/dramatic Smiths line, no one likes to be lambasted for no reason like that. Come on! I understand what happens, once one person shouts something, everyone joins in thinking their being cool or funny. But really, there's people who want to enjoy the show, who actually like Ryan Adams, and don't need hooligan behavior for no reason. Did any of the other gigs treat him this way? What would Noel say?  ------- I can't understand how these same people who heckled and booed Ryan Adams can join in hand-in-hand and sing back a song like DLBIA. It does my head in. |
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Post by NYR on Dec 23, 2008 1:52:14 GMT -5
two words: THEY'RE DRUNK.
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Post by AbbeyR0ad on Dec 23, 2008 2:02:42 GMT -5
i actually didn't experience any of that or else i would have gotten pissed off. Ryan is great and I don't get why people even go early when they know Ryan is performing. i think it's all understandable when years ago Ryan could sound really messed up and horrible and plastered but he sounds great now live. i don't see the issue.
how stupid. but yeah like the previous person said, a lot of people are just drunk idiots saying god knows what...
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Post by oasis21 on Dec 23, 2008 10:06:17 GMT -5
Who gives a shit if he was heckled. No one responded to you cause no one cared. Maybe if his name WASN'T on the ticket, the tickets may have been cheaper. He sucks anyway and knew what he was getting himself into. If you wanna be a rockstar and make money you have to put up with what the audience gives you. When Oasis were starting out they dealt with the same thing. You want your millions you gotta earn it. And he sucks too.
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Post by madben on Dec 23, 2008 10:51:39 GMT -5
You were at the Philly (Camden) show and Ryan Adams got booed, why are you shocked? You were, after all, in Philly.
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Post by Noel Westerberg on Dec 23, 2008 11:40:44 GMT -5
Can't understand how you can't like Ryan Adams music...?
Some of the most melodic songwriting w/ outstanding lyrics....and live his band is excellent.
The fans who were booing him are the same ignorant louts that give Oasis fans a bad name in the first place.
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Post by NYR on Dec 23, 2008 12:29:05 GMT -5
philly booed santa! why is heckling ryan adams such a shocker?
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Post by gavcar on Dec 23, 2008 12:58:38 GMT -5
Have been to 3 on this tour. Only saw about 15 min. of Ryan Adams in Seattle, but it was if 2 crowds existed, one for RA and one for Oasis. The crowds simply switched when the bands did. I don't recall any negative comments there. In Vegas there were a few people yelling for Oasis during RA (who had a great set). He commented in jest, but I think you have to expect it when you're opening for Oasis. I didn't see RA in Denver, due to weather, but I thought the crowd overall was VERY apathetic.
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Post by trikz on Dec 23, 2008 15:48:22 GMT -5
Was the same at sheffield gig the support were gettin abused but the guy just took it n i think he said stuff like fuck off come on get on ur fking feet! he made it better by kinda jokingly abusing back.
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Post by AbbeyR0ad on Dec 23, 2008 16:13:57 GMT -5
here's something nice the Cardinals just wrote in their tour diary
As a band, we have had a busy past 4-5 months… we made a great record, toured with Oasis, toured the US, saw our friends at Letterman, played the fuckin’ Apollo Theatre!!!!!!, toured the UK, and toured with Oasis again! I must say, that it was an honor to tour with those guys. Noel, Liam, Gem, Andy, Jay, and Chris are all true gentlemen, and I hope we see those guys again before too long…much respect… Also, a big thanks to Pete, Steve, Dean, and the entire Oasis crew for treating us so well.
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Post by forgotaboutsteve on Dec 23, 2008 17:02:37 GMT -5
if you disrespect the opening band you are disrespecting the headliner, plain and simple. they chose ryan adams to open for them. i liken it to fans at sporting events heckling players. they are saying the player sucks, etc. well, i see you sitting in your seat acting like a douche instead of out there on the field(or stage in ryan's case). if you can do better then why are you sitting in a seat you paid for to see the team or band? i think people just have to deflect how horrible a person they are onto someone else, makes them feel better, but everyone around knows the truth...
i have respect for anyone who can get up on stage in front of a crowd and do their thing, whether it be to a few people or 10's of thousands, even if it's not exactly my cup of tea.
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Post by Cast on Dec 23, 2008 17:20:22 GMT -5
it shocks me that people don't like Adams here and you can't help but feel good for him (ryan) because touring with Oasis is like a dream come true for this small town kid.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2008 17:36:49 GMT -5
He put on a good show and he's a damn good guitarist. The hecklers are just being dicks, but more importantly, Ryan took it in good spirit at Vegas. He commented on how this was opening for "fucking Godzilla" and mentioned how he was awe struck at the big black pyramid (dunno what it's called). Apparently it shoots lasers? He said throw in a unicorn and it would be the fucking greatest thing. He seemed like a cool dude, only disappointment of his set was he didn't play Two! Was really looking forward to that, Easy Tiger is a great album. Here's a picture of him a few minutes after the doors opened. Wasn't sure if it really was him, kind of weirded me out; funny fellow isn't he?  |
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Post by Guigs on Dec 23, 2008 22:30:16 GMT -5
I wouldn't heckle even though i'm not much of a fan... i just didn't show up for his set.
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Post by ToneBender on Dec 24, 2008 8:23:06 GMT -5
Having now seen Oasis...well a lot of times in 3 or 4 different cities...I can assuredly say that the Philly crowds are routinely the worst in the Northeast USA.
In '05 the Festival Pier was filled with a lot of frat boy types and the band almost had to be dragged back on for the encore. Liam certainly made some comment to that effect... Read the archives. A lot of us were noticeably disappointed with the crowd back in '05. Lots of obnoxious individuals who seemed like they were there to see a concert that happened to have that band that plays Wonderwall and Don't Look Back In Anger as the headliners. It was an unfortunate site to witness.
Last week they treated Ryan Adams like crap as he put on a literally PERFECT performance. As has been noted, a few years ago, if Ryan was the headliner, some of the booing may have been warranted. But now? Not so much. He puts about 150% into every performance he gives now and it shows. He was like a kid in a candy shop getting to open for Oasis. He has a ton of blog entries where he talked about what a great experience it was for him. He's a fan just like all of us who just happens to have had the incredible opportunity to open for his idols. Liam noted how much he was digging him in a few interviews and we know that Noel thinks the world of him and the rest of his band. That alone should warrant a little respect from the crowd.
With regards to the Philly show though, there were a lot of "bro" types at the show. I got the feeling I was surrounded by a bunch of people that rent coach buses to go see Dave Matthews Band at Giants Stadium. Most of the night I had someone who very well may have been an Eagles linebacker in front of me wearing a Mike Schmidt jersey who's way of applauding Oasis was to give them the 1 finger salute after each song. I mean, really? I think that pretty much sums up about 25% of the crowd that night.
Not surprisingly, you'll notice that Noel didn't let the crowd sing the DLBIA chorus by ourselves. In my experience, Noel allowing the crowd to do that is a reflection of his view of the audience. He didn't let the crowd sing DLBIA in '05 either. At the Fairfax gig he waited until the second chorus when he was evidently sufficiently impressed enough to turn it over to the crowd.
So to sum it up, Philly crowds = crap.
P.S. - As I recall, didn't BRMC refuse to ever open for Oasis again after their experience with the idiot fans at the Hyde Park gigs back in '02? Can anyone confirm that?
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Post by Way Cool Jr. on Dec 24, 2008 20:45:41 GMT -5
Having now seen Oasis...well a lot of times in 3 or 4 different cities...I can assuredly say that the Philly crowds are routinely the worst in the Northeast USA. In '05 the Festival Pier was filled with a lot of frat boy types and the band almost had to be dragged back on for the encore. Liam certainly made some comment to that effect... Read the archives. A lot of us were noticeably disappointed with the crowd back in '05. Lots of obnoxious individuals who seemed like they were there to see a concert that happened to have that band that plays Wonderwall and Don't Look Back In Anger as the headliners. It was an unfortunate site to witness. Last week they treated Ryan Adams like crap as he put on a literally PERFECT performance. As has been noted, a few years ago, if Ryan was the headliner, some of the booing may have been warranted. But now? Not so much. He puts about 150% into every performance he gives now and it shows. He was like a kid in a candy shop getting to open for Oasis. He has a ton of blog entries where he talked about what a great experience it was for him. He's a fan just like all of us who just happens to have had the incredible opportunity to open for his idols. Liam noted how much he was digging him in a few interviews and we know that Noel thinks the world of him and the rest of his band. That alone should warrant a little respect from the crowd. With regards to the Philly show though, there were a lot of "bro" types at the show. I got the feeling I was surrounded by a bunch of people that rent coach buses to go see Dave Matthews Band at Giants Stadium. Most of the night I had someone who very well may have been an Eagles linebacker in front of me wearing a Mike Schmidt jersey who's way of applauding Oasis was to give them the 1 finger salute after each song. I mean, really? I think that pretty much sums up about 25% of the crowd that night. Not surprisingly, you'll notice that Noel didn't let the crowd sing the DLBIA chorus by ourselves. In my experience, Noel allowing the crowd to do that is a reflection of his view of the audience. He didn't let the crowd sing DLBIA in '05 either. At the Fairfax gig he waited until the second chorus when he was evidently sufficiently impressed enough to turn it over to the crowd. So to sum it up, Philly crowds = crap. P.S. - As I recall, didn't BRMC refuse to ever open for Oasis again after their experience with the idiot fans at the Hyde Park gigs back in '02? Can anyone confirm that? I'll start off by saying I like Ryan Adams a lot. But...you can boo him or anybody you want to if you buy a ticket. If you're not fighting people then you can say what you want. It's a rock show. On an aside - You're such a nerd/snob. I'm tired of you and a lot of other Oasis fans of your ilk expecting every Oasis show to be like the fucking orchestra and for Oasis fans to sit with their legs crossed and mouths closed. It's Oasis, it's a party. Get over yourself. Nobody made you buy a ticket. If you don't like assholes at shows then listen to the records in your room. Your pouting isn't going to change how other people act. They are having fun, why don't you join the party? Noel DID let the crowd sing the first chorus in Philly. I think you just want to lie to push nerd agenda on people that like to have fun. rapidshare.com/files/176539566/renamed_10._Don_t_Look_Back_In_Anger_NY.MPG.html(it says NY, but it really is the Festival Pier in '05...if you were there..and I'm doubting that...you would know) |
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Post by ToneBender on Dec 24, 2008 22:49:04 GMT -5
I was there, chief. The band wasn't feeling it at that show. It took them at least twice as long to come back on the stage and Liam commented as such. And nerd? Not at all. I fucking love when people are jumping around at a gig having a good time but there's a difference between that and obnoxious idiots slamming into everyone because they're drunk and ruining it for people that paid a lot of money to enjoy a show, not enjoy someone else's beer in their hair. I'm there at every show I've been to singing my lungs out, as I would expect most fans to do. Orchestra? Hardly. If that was the case I wouldn't go to half the shows I do. I've been to GA shows at the Black Cat and 9:30 Club in DC without drunken idiots ruining a great time and I've been to GA shows at Bowery Ballroom and Maxwell's in the NYC area without drunken idiots ruining a great time. People can jump about and enjoy a show without being assholes. Hell, jump around all you want but when someone keep drunkenly spilling into the aisles and hitting people around them in the head repeatedly, to the point that 4 different people and 2 members of the venue staff tell you to stop, there's a problem. Sorry man, I paid a lot of money and travelled a lot of miles to go to these gigs . I appreciate that people want to have a good time but that doesn't mean you have to do it to the displeasure of the majority of people around you. I've been to a ton of great Oasis shows in the past 8 or so years where the fans were incredible. The two times I was in Philly and the one idiot in Fairfax not withstanding, I stand by that. Hell, the show at the Garden was probably one of the best atmospheres I've experienced at a show, period.
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Post by wolffman on Dec 25, 2008 0:10:22 GMT -5
I mean... it was a boring, hour long set. If your not familiar with Ryan Adams and are waiting to see your favorite band come on stage, you're going to become impatient when his set KEEPS GOING AND GOING. Plus alcohol.
I'm not saying I would heckle, but you have to understand what's going on. And you were in Philly, you should've expected it. I'm surprised Oasis didn't get booed.
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Post by Guigs on Dec 25, 2008 0:25:31 GMT -5
wtf so if you don't like assholes at gigs you're a nerd now? there is a big difference between enjoying a rock concert and being an asshole. I've seen my share of drunken idiots at gigs and it's like they are there more to cause trouble than to enjoy the gig. I'd rather not deal with that shit if i paid money for the show. The sad thing is that most of those types usually turn out en masse for Oasis gigs more than others.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 25, 2008 0:33:04 GMT -5
SettinsOn is correct. How Ryan Adams was treated was appalling. But hey, it just shows how ignorant some people are.....the heckling was a reflection of the individuals and not of Ryan Adams' performance.
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Post by ToneBender on Dec 25, 2008 0:37:19 GMT -5
I'm not saying I would heckle, but you have to understand what's going on. And you were in Philly, you should've expected it. I'm surprised Oasis didn't get booed. Ha! I expected poor behavior in Philly but I have no patience for heckling. Like how you said "I should've expected it", well, people knew to expect Ryan Adams as the opener. Either get to know his music, keep drinking in the food/drinks area or don't show up until Oasis. Don't ruin it for the rest of us!  |
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Post by GasPanic on Dec 25, 2008 0:38:47 GMT -5
I didn't like most of his set, and he commented on a guy sitting near me, asking if he was in a metal band. But his last song was amazing, and I clapped for that!
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Post by ToneBender on Dec 25, 2008 0:45:15 GMT -5
I didn't like most of his set, and he commented on a guy sitting near me, asking if he was in a metal band. But his last song was amazing, and I clapped for that! That dude's voice was intense... I heard it about 20 rows back pretty clearly! The last song was called "Magick" from their latest record, Cardinology. The middle break about special powers, radios and waking up with jams on is f'ing incredible. |
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Post by rmillis on Dec 25, 2008 1:01:46 GMT -5
At the Detroit show a couple guys in front of me were chanting "Go Home" over and over again in between Adams songs. I actually got up and left until Ryan Adams was done cause I didn't like his music at all. Costa was miles better imo.
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Post by NYR on Dec 25, 2008 1:16:21 GMT -5
i'll admit that i don't know much of his stuff, but he put on a great show at bec
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