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Post by BlueJay on Jun 21, 2011 0:26:10 GMT -5
Does it matter? Lennon was an average guitar player but that's irrelevant. Noel is universally known as the songwriter from Oasis rather than the lead guitar player for Oasis and that's what it should be. Anyone can play guitar (in the words of Radiohead) but very few can write great songs like our sir Noel.
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Post by gdforever on Jun 21, 2011 0:35:02 GMT -5
He wasn't even the sole lead guitarist in Oasis. Gem did quite a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2011 8:37:01 GMT -5
^Please leave Gem out of this. I really hate his style compared to Noel. A perfect example of trying to hard to be cool. With Noel everything always seems so natural. Not so with Gem. Thats why there isn't really any note worthy solos post BHN that Noel didn't play. Does it matter? Lennon was an average guitar player but that's irrelevant. Noel is universally known as the songwriter from Oasis rather than the lead guitar player for Oasis and that's what it should be. Anyone can play guitar (in the words of Radiohead) but very few can write great songs like our sir Noel. I agree. Guitar is a pretty easy instrument to learn. I have friends who can pluck out a tune or two who can't even carry a tune in a bucket. |
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Jun 21, 2011 8:52:33 GMT -5
^Please leave Gem out of this. I really hate his style compared to Noel. A perfect example of trying to hard to be cool. With Noel everything always seems so natural. Not so with Gem. Thats why there isn't really any note worthy solos post BHN that Noel didn't play. Does it matter? Lennon was an average guitar player but that's irrelevant. Noel is universally known as the songwriter from Oasis rather than the lead guitar player for Oasis and that's what it should be. Anyone can play guitar (in the words of Radiohead) but very few can write great songs like our sir Noel. I agree. Guitar is a pretty easy instrument to learn. I have friends who can pluck out a tune or two who can't even carry a tune in a bucket.[/quote I disagree! Check out the acoustic tour promoting stop the clocks. Gem plays some pretty wicked solo's on that |
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Post by bdiplayer on Jun 21, 2011 9:22:59 GMT -5
Brian May is a much better guitarist than Noel, and Queen's legacy is every bit as big as Oasis, if not bigger. Queen were every bit as melodic as Noel's songwriting, and probably more versatile.
It is possible to be a brilliant guitarist and have massive commercial success without putting punters off with technical proficiency.
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Post by gdforever on Jun 21, 2011 9:51:26 GMT -5
^Please leave Gem out of this. I really hate his style compared to Noel. A perfect example of trying to hard to be cool. With Noel everything always seems so natural. Not so with Gem. Thats why there isn't really any note worthy solos post BHN that Noel didn't play. Does it matter? Lennon was an average guitar player but that's irrelevant. Noel is universally known as the songwriter from Oasis rather than the lead guitar player for Oasis and that's what it should be. Anyone can play guitar (in the words of Radiohead) but very few can write great songs like our sir Noel. I agree. Guitar is a pretty easy instrument to learn. I have friends who can pluck out a tune or two who can't even carry a tune in a bucket. I was only referring the BlueJays point that he wasn't known primarily as Oasis lead guitarist. Not making any sort of statement about the relative worth of Gem vs. Noel on guitar |
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Post by spaneli on Jun 21, 2011 11:20:11 GMT -5
^Please leave Gem out of this. I really hate his style compared to Noel. A perfect example of trying to hard to be cool. With Noel everything always seems so natural. Not so with Gem. Thats why there isn't really any note worthy solos post BHN that Noel didn't play. Does it matter? Lennon was an average guitar player but that's irrelevant. Noel is universally known as the songwriter from Oasis rather than the lead guitar player for Oasis and that's what it should be. Anyone can play guitar (in the words of Radiohead) but very few can write great songs like our sir Noel. I agree. Guitar is a pretty easy instrument to learn. I have friends who can pluck out a tune or two who can't even carry a tune in a bucket. It really depends on what you want to use guitar for. If you just want to learn a couple of tunes that you can show off, then yes it's easy. But if you want to do more with it, then guitar is one of the hardest instruments to learn. Some people can play their whole lives and still only be a decent guitarist. If you want to hear a guitar's full capabilities, listen to Jeff Beck. He has made the guitar sound like almost everything over the years. It really is amazing to hear the richness and complexities that a guitar can have. Guitar is hard mainly because it's one of the few instruments that have you learn a different style of playing for each genre. From Blues, to classical, to flamingo (which is probably the hardest to learn), to Jazz, to country, and rock. They have their own style. And when you switch to a new style, it almost makes you makes re-learn how to play again. Been playing for 3 years now, still would only call myself average, maybe good. |
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Post by spaneli on Jun 21, 2011 11:33:01 GMT -5
Brian May is a much better guitarist than Noel, and Queen's legacy is every bit as big as Oasis, if not bigger. Queen were every bit as melodic as Noel's songwriting, and probably more versatile. It is possible to be a brilliant guitarist and have massive commercial success without putting punters off with technical proficiency. I would agree to a certain extent. Though to say that Brian May isn't extremely technically proficient is ignoring many of his great solos. I love the Bohemian Rhapsody solo. I like how he's able to think outside the box and change keys within the solo (which is something you don't see in rock music enough), so that he can get to the more uptempo part of song (which is the Key of A). That takes' a hell of a lot of technical proficiency. He also has a pretty smooth playing style. Which is why he's a great guitarist. Knowledge and execution of that knowledge. |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Jun 21, 2011 12:23:12 GMT -5
Great guitarists: Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, B.B. King, John Lee Hooker, Slash, Jeff Beck, and Les Paul Good guitarist: Jack White, Jimmy Page, and George Harrison Average guitarist: Noel Gallagher, Pete Townsend (some Who fans might kill me) Below average: Billy Joel Armstrong  Just can't find a way to say that Noel is as good as Jimmy Page, or Jack White, or even George Harrison. Who is a supremely underrated guitarist. Slash better than Page? And WHITE (?!?!?) on the same level as Page? Have a word man, have a word.   |
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Post by spaneli on Jun 21, 2011 12:26:57 GMT -5
Great guitarists: Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, B.B. King, John Lee Hooker, Slash, Jeff Beck, and Les Paul Good guitarist: Jack White, Jimmy Page, and George Harrison Average guitarist: Noel Gallagher, Pete Townsend (some Who fans might kill me) Below average: Billy Joel Armstrong Just can't find a way to say that Noel is as good as Jimmy Page, or Jack White, or even George Harrison. Who is a supremely underrated guitarist. Slash better than Page? And WHITE (?!?!?) on the same level as Page? Have a word man, have a word. I would put Page slightly ahead of Jack White. That has more to do with the crude category system I'm using. If I had to a 1-20 ranking. Page would definitely be ahead of Jack White. It seems like I'm putting him on the same level as Page, but I'm not. And yes, I would put Slash ahead of Page. But we can agree to disagree on that one. (Note: I am a mega Led Zeppelin fan, so its not like I dislike Page.) |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Jun 21, 2011 13:00:54 GMT -5
and I'm a massive Slash fan and I still wouldn't put him near Page let alone ahead of him |
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Post by spaneli on Jun 21, 2011 13:08:30 GMT -5
and I'm a massive Slash fan and I still wouldn't put him near Page let alone ahead of him ahahaha, like I said "we'll agree to disagree on that one".   |
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Post by Guy Fawkes on Jun 21, 2011 15:57:15 GMT -5
Slash is a great guitarist. 'Appetite for Destruction' is one the best albums ever.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Jun 21, 2011 16:37:04 GMT -5
Slash is a great guitarist. 'Appetite for Destruction' is one the best albums ever. All of this is true but he's no Jimmy Page ;D |
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Post by NYR on Jun 21, 2011 22:08:37 GMT -5
Slash is a great guitarist. 'Appetite for Destruction' is one the best albums ever. All of this is true but he's no Jimmy Page ;D agreed. as much as i love slash, he doesn't hold a candle to page. page helped pioneer how people play electric guitar. |
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Post by BlueJay on Jun 21, 2011 22:35:18 GMT -5
^Please leave Gem out of this. I really hate his style compared to Noel. A perfect example of trying to hard to be cool. With Noel everything always seems so natural. Not so with Gem. Thats why there isn't really any note worthy solos post BHN that Noel didn't play. I agree. Guitar is a pretty easy instrument to learn. I have friends who can pluck out a tune or two who can't even carry a tune in a bucket. It really depends on what you want to use guitar for. If you just want to learn a couple of tunes that you can show off, then yes it's easy. But if you want to do more with it, then guitar is one of the hardest instruments to learn. Some people can play their whole lives and still only be a decent guitarist. If you want to hear a guitar's full capabilities, listen to Jeff Beck. He has made the guitar sound like almost everything over the years. It really is amazing to hear the richness and complexities that a guitar can have. Guitar is hard mainly because it's one of the few instruments that have you learn a different style of playing for each genre. From Blues, to classical, to flamingo (which is probably the hardest to learn), to Jazz, to country, and rock. They have their own style. And when you switch to a new style, it almost makes you makes re-learn how to play again. Been playing for 3 years now, still would only call myself average, maybe good. Noel can come up with some brilliant solos (melodically not technically) but its very clear that he was tought the basic pentatonic scales and so always revolves around them in their most simplest form, Live Forever is a good example. This isn't a bad thing however, because it perfectly suits the structure and vibe of the songs that he writes |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2011 22:59:54 GMT -5
After reading everyone's comments today it has become very clear to me that when it comes to guitarist, it is really all about someones personal taste versus any actual indicators of greatness.
In short, we all have our favorites and it doesn't matter what someone else says, they will still be our favorites. Simple as that! I do think that the guitar is to music today what the piano was 300 years ago, and that is why these little debates are so interesting and fun. Thanks to everyone for the friendly banter.
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Post by Guy Fawkes on Jun 22, 2011 10:16:32 GMT -5
i love Slash's tone/sound, even more than Page's. of course Page has a bigger catalog and is more versatile.
the tone to the riff/overall playing of 'sweet child o' mine' is perfect, as is the tone of the 'use your illusion' albums.
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Post by lionsden® on Jun 22, 2011 11:46:07 GMT -5
that's why he gives his all every night when he's on that stage performing the songs we love Ever see the DOYS tour?  |
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Post by bluesoul on Jun 22, 2011 14:52:14 GMT -5
Noelo is one of da best
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Post by Beat Poet on Oct 9, 2011 11:15:11 GMT -5
I wish Noel wasn't so content to just strum these days, it was better when he had Bonehead doing all the donkey work, while he went off and did a "Jimmy Page".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2011 14:44:31 GMT -5
Slash can fuck off, Guns n Roses are garbage. And, as a huge fan fo Zeppelin, I can admit that Page was one of the sloppiest players around. One of the best, yes, but one of the sloppiest and I don't see why Jack White couldn't be put at the same level of him. Both are brilliant; just because Page came first or that he is more accepted as an amazing guitar player is a bullshit reason. If anything, I'd put Page as a better producer than actual guitar player. The production on all of Zeppelin's albums are amazing, that man knew how to layer guitars while still allowing them all to breath (which is something Noel could of took note of during the BHN sessions).
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Oct 11, 2011 5:36:19 GMT -5
Jack White really isn't that great a guitar player and is full of shit to boot. Slash is an amazing player but knowing you Roses are probably too mainstream for you.
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Post by mimmihopps on Oct 11, 2011 8:39:31 GMT -5
I really love Noel's guitar work in some of their early songs. Listen to "Better Let You Know" and "Take Me".
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Post by rcknrollstar on Oct 11, 2011 11:02:57 GMT -5
Keith Richards, Chuck Berry are brilliant. Great rhythm guitarists. I really prefer a good rhythm guitarist to a good lead guitarist.
Check out this guy named MyTwangyGuitar on Youtube, he's really good.
But different people judge guitar skills differently. There's people who think that guy named Battio is amazing. Yeah he's fast, but that's it. It sounds like shit. I'd put Noel miles ahead of him.
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