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Post by webm@ster on Dec 10, 2008 21:58:26 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2008 22:41:03 GMT -5
Well, he's not really anymore.
But I'll be fucked if Champagne Supernova doesn't have one of the best solos I've heard. From 94-98 Noel was an amazing guitarist, both live and in the studio.
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Post by sloasis on Dec 11, 2008 4:28:33 GMT -5
Listen to Live Forever and then say that he can't writte good solos.
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Post by noelhimself on Dec 11, 2008 6:59:01 GMT -5
it sounds like this guy thinks that guitar solos sould be technical and showy offy...
"Once you hear any musician try to get technical on their axe you can really understand what the person is all about."
Er no, this isn't the case. I want a solo to add a riff and melody to the song (which CS actually does very well!) rather than a guitarist wanking all over the fretboard. All Along the Watchtower is the greatest solo ever, not because is hard to play of shows how talented Hendrix was, but because its got a well written melody which fits the song perfectly.
Alot of BB Kings solos consist of 3 notes, but he does it with soul
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Post by unnaturalemotion on Dec 11, 2008 12:47:00 GMT -5
a good guitar player is one that makes you FEEL its music, it doesn't have to be "virtuoso" Noel may not be as talented as others but he compensates with creativity and feeling, he does what he does, his is a messiah, yours is a crappy article, dustin ASSman
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Post by Cast on Dec 11, 2008 16:32:49 GMT -5
fuck him CS is one of the best solo's i've ever heard. Noel is quite under rated as a guitarist even by himself. Solo's for me are all about like noelhimself said about the melody on the guitar part than actual guitar skill. I've seen some amazing technical work done but it doesn't always sound as good as a pure "simple" melodic solo.
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Post by Columbus Egg on Dec 11, 2008 18:42:01 GMT -5
This would be the operative part of his post: "I’m not saying the dude can’t write a catchy tune, I’m just saying he’s not as skilled as everybody makes him out to be." It doesn't seem to me like he's missing the point you guys are making. I don't know who "everybody" is because even around here I don't see people claiming that he's any kind of virtuoso. BUT he is clearly making the distinction between sounding good and being technically brilliant. And I don't see where you get that he insulted Paul Weller. "I like me some Jam, but this one just didn't do it for me." Uh-oh, it didn't do it for him ... so big deal. it sounds like this guy thinks that guitar solos sould be technical and showy offy... "Once you hear any musician try to get technical on their axe you can really understand what the person is all about." Er no, this isn't the case. I think what he was trying to say is that solos are usually where the guitarists put in their best work, both technically and aesthetically, so when they do that, you hear what they hear when they reach deep down. At least that's what I get when I hear a solo like Live Forever's. Maybe "understanding what the person is all about" is stretching it, but that's usually the goal, or the effect that comes off. |
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Post by mimmihopps on Dec 12, 2008 5:40:57 GMT -5
Noel's guitar solo of Champagne Supernova from Budokan 1998 is one of the greatest guitar solo's I've heard.
and don't forget those ones too:
- The first track from Borderline Club 1994
- Supersonic during BHN tour
- Jamming during the soundchecks in the early years
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Post by sword on Dec 12, 2008 6:32:43 GMT -5
Noel Gallagher is a good guitar player. He is not a genius. But he is good at what he does. Personally i think Gem is better.  |
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Post by seanppp on Dec 28, 2008 12:29:12 GMT -5
Noel Gallagher is a good guitar player. He is not a genius. But he is good at what he does. Personally i think Gem is better. Yep. Noel's compitent. Gem is very good. |
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Post by joeyfrancis on Dec 28, 2008 13:24:07 GMT -5
- The first track from Borderline Club 1994 I had never heard this until now. It's great. |
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Post by alliwantisthetruth on Dec 29, 2008 8:38:50 GMT -5
Noels not a great guitar player, Gem sounds pretty good though,
neither was any of the beatles, rolling stones, kinks, and paul weller etc etc
When you talk about great guitar players your on about hendrix, stevie ray vaughan, satriarni, stevie vai, mark knofpler, chuck berry, van halen, page etc etc
What noel is, is he is a great great songwriter. You don't need to write blistering solos like slash, use complicated finger picking styles like knofpler, or use unusual chords like andy summers. Noel can write a song from a simple chord progession and a few lyrics and build fantastic songs around them, music that make you think, sing along and just makes you happy. Hes done it for years now and should be recognised as one or the greatest songwriters ever
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Post by NYR on Dec 29, 2008 12:51:59 GMT -5
Noels not a great guitar player, Gem sounds pretty good though, neither was any of the beatles, rolling stones, kinks, and paul weller etc etc don't tell me george harrison, keef or mick taylor aren't great guitarists. |
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Post by alliwantisthetruth on Dec 29, 2008 15:08:27 GMT -5
not sure if you play guitar or not mate but the fact is none of them are
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2008 15:35:58 GMT -5
not sure if you play guitar or not mate but the fact is none of them are Fact? All of the aforementioned are fantastic player. For the record, when I think of "good guitarist" some like Van Halen is the furthest away. |
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Post by NYR on Dec 30, 2008 2:33:09 GMT -5
not sure if you play guitar or not mate but the fact is none of them are i've been playing for 8 years, mate. i also worked at guitar world magazine for three years. believe it or not, but many of george harrison's playing was really, really good. just because he could never shred doesn't mean he was terrible. the solo to "something" says it all, really. and you're delusional if you think mick taylor isn't good. the man replaced peter green in the bluesbreakers. listen to his solos on "get yer ya-ya's out" (stones) or "crusade" (bluesbreakers) and tell me he couldn't play. keef is a great rhythm player. nothing more, nothing less. but he's got feel. and lots of it. i'll take these three over yngwie any day of the week. |
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Post by alliwantisthetruth on Dec 30, 2008 7:19:27 GMT -5
theres different levels - Noels average IMO - Keith and harrision etc are better than noel (in the good catagory) but they ain't in the same league as hendrix and stevie ray
Anyways the point i was making was this:
"What noel is, is he is a great great songwriter. You don't need to write blistering solos like slash, use complicated finger picking styles like knofpler, or use unusual chords like andy summers. Noel can write a song from a simple chord progession and a few lyrics and build fantastic songs around them, music that make you think, sing along and just makes you happy. Hes done it for years now and should be recognised as one or the greatest songwriters ever "
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Post by His Royal Majesty Revolver on Jan 2, 2009 0:39:44 GMT -5
Noels not a great guitar player, Gem sounds pretty good though, neither was any of the beatles, rolling stones, kinks, and paul weller etc etc don't tell me george harrison, keef or mick taylor aren't great guitarists. They are great guitarists because they add to the song. George Harrison, much like Taylor, and to a great extent David Gilmour are fucking phenomenal because they come up with excellent hooks - a guitar solo that you can sing along to because that melody is JUST as strong as say, the song's chorus. Noel is in that category too, and I don't really think there are any guitar solos by Oasis that I don't like.... but I mean, anyone could play the solo in "Cigarettes and Alcohol", "Supersonic", "DYKWIM?", or "Probably All In The Mind" but I like them because they provide brilliant second melodies. Noel can really show off his licks on songs like Slide Away, Live Forever, and DLBIA, for instance. All around fucking good guitarist. PS - Gem is awesome |
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Post by NYR on Jan 2, 2009 2:26:53 GMT -5
revolver, i agree with your first paragraph. the second i cannot. i don't think noel adds anything to the band with his solos. i feel many songs can do without his solos. songs like supersonic and gas panic, well, that's a completely different story.
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Post by Cast on Jan 2, 2009 3:13:19 GMT -5
i feel many songs can do without his solos. Whoa like what? The cocaine fulled solo's on BHN? Its a solo and Noel really hasn't written a shit one. Just about any true rock solo could use a solo. I hate the fact that the band has turned down the number of solos in the past couple albums. One of the best things ever is seeing CS played for like 10 minutes with epic solos. Like just think if TSOTL had a real solo (not that clever guitar lead) but a real solo it'd take the song on a whole other level i mean right after that drum solo then bust out in a good little solo that would have been mega. |
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Post by Jazzvi on Jan 2, 2009 9:05:43 GMT -5
I agree that Noel is no guitar-genius. He's not Stevie Ray Vaughn. He's one of the greatest songwritters out there and he does write some simple but brilliant solos (cs, dlbia, live forever, tiobi). He's not technical at all but the vast majority of the people who goes to a gig or buys an album can't really tell the difference between a good guitarist and an average one.
Jimi Hendrix's technique wasn't the best, but he put so much soul into his playing and he was so talented that he's considered one of the best guitarists of all time, to me the best one. I prefer the solo in CS to a lot of the solos of guitarists that are considered "great guitar players".
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Post by songbird11 on Apr 5, 2009 14:09:37 GMT -5
noel's a good guitar player i think gem is better he learnt more i guess.Mcarrtney played lead guitar on taxman & he never gets mentioned for his guitar playing  |
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Post by kirsten on Apr 7, 2009 11:49:44 GMT -5
I don't think Noel is a great guitar player, but to be fair, he doesn't really need to be. Oasis aren't really the kind of band that consistently have their best moments in guitar solos, and I personally find bands like that pretty irritating.
That being said, the Shout It Out Loud solo is fucking incredible, quite possibly my favourite. I don't think Noel is dreadful or anything. I think what it comes down to is that he's great at what he does, and it's not going to be everyone's idea of great.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Apr 7, 2009 15:30:44 GMT -5
I don't think Noel is a great guitar player, but to be fair, he doesn't really need to be. Oasis aren't really the kind of band that consistently have their best moments in guitar solos, and I personally find bands like that pretty irritating. That being said, the Shout It Out Loud solo is fucking incredible, quite possibly my favourite. I don't think Noel is dreadful or anything. I think what it comes down to is that he's great at what he does, and it's not going to be everyone's idea of great. The tone on that solo is amazing |
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Post by elephantstoner on May 22, 2009 5:47:40 GMT -5
I thought John Squire did the Champagne Supernova solo? Wasn't Noel talking at some point about how he wishes he would have turned the solo up in the mix. or maybe im high.
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