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Post by MEANSTREAK on Sept 28, 2008 12:07:44 GMT -5
Ok so I'm still pretty pissed off. Here we are in an economic mess that is the worst it's been in 25 years. In Britain banks are failing/merging to avoid failure/being nationalized. Pubs are closing at a record pace. People are losing their jobs left and right. In the USA, the markets are crashing, the government is having to bail out several huge financial entities, people are losing their houses, prperty values are tanking etc. Just one example is my brother - 3 years ago bought a house for $230,000 and one year after that the house had risen in value to $260K, now just last week he tried to get a refinance to take advantage of the super low interest rates right now, problem is the housing sector has plummeted, his house that he owes about $225K on is now only worth $140K. All over both countries people are totally screwed right now! So what does this have to do with oasis? Plenty. First off Noel screws us by not putting anything resembling the greats of old as a b-side on TSOTL. Next we find out we aren't getting the awesome DVD singles that included the demos with this album either. Now we find out that in order to get all the songs that should have been included on the various singles as b-sides we have to buy not just the £12 special edition of the album plus a DVD, we have to pony up £50 or $100 for the ultra-deluxe overpriced CD, DVD, "bonus" CD with the remixes/alternates and 4 pieces of obsolete plastic that the vast majority of people don't even own a player for. Clearly Noel has forgotten what it's like to be the broke ass young person living a a shitty Manchester council estate type of music fan who is dying to hear new stuff from his favorite band and scraping together pennies to pay for the latest release. Noel has become a stuck up rich British landlord who is doing everything he can to milk cash out of the common people regardless of the current economic climate. And don't talk shit about "marketing people" or "advertisers" making this decision. Don't for a second try to tell me the fucking owner of Big Brother Records doesn't have the final say. Sure someone in the marketing department may have come up with the idea but Noel had to sign off on it. That's why Noel started Big Brother, to have total control over the bands music and to rake in all the profits. Why can't we have a CD/DVD/Bonus CD special edition for £20/$30 and leave the useless vinyl out of it? Let the black circle spinners buy the vinyl version if they want! But don't screw the rest of us into paying for the vinyls if all we really want is that bonus CD! Anyway Noel best hope we don't run into each other on the streets of London because I got a word or two to have with short stack Mr. Gallagher.  thank you, that is all. |
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Post by Soldier Ron on Sept 28, 2008 12:28:57 GMT -5
Just cut down on the beer on the fags (or coke) for a month and you've probably saved enough dosh to buy the deluxe edition.
I have a hard time getting pissed off at Noel when he's publicly said in interviews that he gives his blessing to 'kids who can't afford the album' to just download it gratis anyway. Hardly the words of an out-of-touch Scrooge.
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Post by caats19 on Sept 28, 2008 12:32:14 GMT -5
lol, blaming noel for it all is a lil stupid. i'd like to point out other bands have similar things going on. even fuckin ben folds new crap album comes in cd, cd/dvd and special super deluxe cd/dvd/bonus cd for 100 bucks. he' also signed with Sony.
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Post by supersonic1983 on Sept 28, 2008 12:35:31 GMT -5
Anyway Noel best hope we don't run into each other on the streets of London because I got a word or two to have with short stack Mr Gallagher. Yeah, right.  Try thanking him for fifteen years of unparalleled brilliance first, eh? |
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Post by keystone1316 on Sept 28, 2008 12:34:52 GMT -5
yeap I agree
which is why Ive decided that Im not gonna buy the album. Yeap, Ive already downloaded it, and I dont see a need for me to spend 15 bucks on something I already have.
Im sure I'll get a lot of shit because Im not "supporting the band" and all that shit, but doesnt really matter to me. Its rediculous that they're making hardcore fans pay that much for all that shit.
The Bonus CD= 2 tracks that everyone already has, (LDSMD and FD remix... a lot of fans already payed for both anyways) 2 tracks that will very likely be released as bsides soon, (I Believe In All which the Japs get as a bonus and Boy W/ the Blues) , 2 alternate versions of songs we've already heard (which again, may be released as bsides if the originals are released as singles. Plus the Japs get the Turning alt. 4 as a bonus), and 3 remixes which are nothing special (which once again, may be released as bsides, since the FD remix was released as a bside already)
then you got the vinyl records, which I agree are pretty worthless. If people really want the vinyl editions, then they'll just buy em instead of the CD or seperately from the CD. The booklet will prolly be nothing special, and the documentary might be pretty cool, but will be available on youtube for everyone to see within a couple days of the albums release.
The most I'd pay for that shit is $30, maybe $40 if I had a working record player. Bullshit that they're charging almost $100 for the damn thing.
Plus I dont understand the digital release thing w/o Get Off Your High Horse Lady? Are they hoping that people buy the digital release, realize they're missing a track, and then go out and buy the physical version? Thats the only explanation I can find for it.
Im starting to really lose some respect for this band, especially after the way Noel has treated some of his fans lately (as detailed in his blog). And there's no way Im going to buy an album from a band that dont have time for their fans and enjoy overcharging them.
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Post by keystone1316 on Sept 28, 2008 12:42:34 GMT -5
Anyway Noel best hope we don't run into each other on the streets of London because I got a word or two to have with short stack Mr Gallagher. Yeah, right. Try thanking him for fifteen years of unparalleled brilliance first, eh? HCs not exactly brilliant if you ask me. And for me at least, DBTT and DOYS feature some of Noel's worst tracks and are only great albums because of Andy, Gem, and Liams tracks. |
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Post by caats19 on Sept 28, 2008 12:46:09 GMT -5
yeap I agree which is why Ive decided that Im not gonna buy the album. Yeap, Ive already downloaded it, and I dont see a need for me to spend 15 bucks on something I already have. Im sure I'll get a lot of shit because Im not "supporting the band" and all that shit, but doesnt really matter to me. Its rediculous that they're making hardcore fans pay that much for all that shit. The Bonus CD= 2 tracks that everyone already has, (LDSMD and FD remix... a lot of fans already payed for both anyways) 2 tracks that will very likely be released as bsides soon, (I Believe In All which the Japs get as a bonus and Boy W/ the Blues) , 2 alternate versions of songs we've already heard (which again, may be released as bsides if the originals are released as singles. Plus the Japs get the Turning alt. 4 as a bonus), and 3 remixes which are nothing special (which once again, may be released as bsides, since the FD remix was released as a bside already) then you got the vinyl records, which I agree are pretty worthless. If people really want the vinyl editions, then they'll just buy em instead of the CD or seperately from the CD. The booklet will prolly be nothing special, and the documentary might be pretty cool, but will be available on youtube for everyone to see within a couple days of the albums release. The most I'd pay for that shit is $30, maybe $40 if I had a working record player. Bullshit that they're charging almost $100 for the damn thing. Plus I dont understand the digital release thing w/o Get Off Your High Horse Lady? Are they hoping that people buy the digital release, realize they're missing a track, and then go out and buy the physical version? Thats the only explanation I can find for it. Im starting to really lose some respect for this band, especially after the way Noel has treated some of his fans lately (as detailed in his blog). And there's no way Im going to buy an album from a band that dont have time for their fans and enjoy overcharging them. this is stupid just to think oasis did it. Record companies want to make money, they don't care about the music. the band might have signed off on it(can't say that 100%), but it's not like the actual album is 100 bucks. and don't use this as an excuse for not buying the album. nobody is making you buy the 100 dollar one. stupid to spend that much. the bonus cd popped up online anyway. as i said before, other artists signed to Sony have this 100 dollar bs as well. |
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Post by ohasis on Sept 28, 2008 12:47:19 GMT -5
Yeah, right. Try thanking him for fifteen years of unparalleled brilliance first, eh? HCs not exactly brilliant if you ask me. And for me at least, DBTT and DOYS feature some of Noel's worst tracks and are only great albums because of Andy, Gem, and Liams tracks. Wow, you are crazy!! |
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Post by caro on Sept 28, 2008 12:49:58 GMT -5
I have a hard time getting pissed off at Noel when he's publicly said in interviews that he gives his blessing to 'kids who can't afford the album' to just download it gratis anyway. Hardly the words of an out-of-touch Scrooge. Yeah I tend to agree on that... And the regular CD version is totally affordable... And even before the current economy crash there were always expensive things that eventhough I would have love to get them I didn't because they were too expensive. Life is not fair, the most deserving people are not always the ones who get stuff... How is it that I have lots of degrees (bachelors and master) and I don't have a job and don't own a house whereas people younger than me, not as smart (can you spell college drop out) or as deserving have top positions, own a house because they were lucky enough to be born in the family they were born in to? Well it's all the same. At least there are cheap versions of the album and you can have it for free pretty easily too. If you can afford the deluxe edition you're lucky. When I was a kid and had no money, I was waiting for Xmas or Bdays to get my CDs, I wasn't getting them on release date so... |
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Post by thuperthonic on Sept 28, 2008 12:51:20 GMT -5
"buy it if you wanna buy it, if you don't buy it, then don't fucking buy it, i don't give a shit"
-liam gallagher
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Post by keystone1316 on Sept 28, 2008 12:57:12 GMT -5
HCs not exactly brilliant if you ask me. And for me at least, DBTT and DOYS feature some of Noel's worst tracks and are only great albums because of Andy, Gem, and Liams tracks. Wow, you are crazy!! you wanna know what else is crazy... since 2002, there have only been 24 Noel written tracks that have been officially released. Thats only 3 tracks per year including the following fantastic ( ) tracks: Force of Nature Probably All in the Mind She is Love Mucky Fingers Get Off Your High Horse Lady that means that 20% of the tracks he's released have been regarded as pretty mediocre by the majority of Oasis' fanbase. And you know what? I only counted the mediocre album tracks... I didnt even include the multiple shit b-sides he's written over the last few albums. I love Noel, he's one of my songwriting heroes. But idk, lately ive been a bit disappointed by some of the stuff he's done. Especcially the blog he posted about when he was asked to take a picture with a bride and groom, but refused to and went out of his way to be a dick abotu it. Thats uncalled for. |
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Post by caats19 on Sept 28, 2008 13:02:15 GMT -5
Mucky Fingers is great, i think some Oasis fans don't like it cause it isn't Oasis-y. and i don't think high horse or mucky belong next to those other songs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2008 13:03:58 GMT -5
Wow, keystone1316 is probably the biggest spoilsport this website has ever seen. That's including Robohump, at least he had a dry wit to a few of his posts.
Yes, money is a problem for us all. And you're listening to 13 new Oasis tracks free of charge. Why not shut the fuck up, yeh?
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Post by supersonic1983 on Sept 28, 2008 13:40:38 GMT -5
HCs not exactly brilliant if you ask me. I was referring to Oasis more on the whole, Oasis as we know them being a byproduct of Noel's songwriting in the early 90s. |
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Post by Wonderwailer on Sept 28, 2008 13:53:16 GMT -5
Personally I dont think this rant goes far enough...Why dont you blame Noel for starting the whole financial meltdown while your at it? I can just imagine those smarmy investment bankers po-going alone to Lyla while they lent out too much money.
Yes Noel is being stingy. Yes he should write more songs. Yes he is a very talented man who deserves to reap the benefit of that god given talent. I mean its not like hes releasing ´remastered´ versions of his old albums...Fuckin Beatles!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2008 13:55:36 GMT -5
Personally I dont think this rant goes far enough...Why dont you blame Noel for starting the whole financial meltdown while your at it? I can just imagine those smarmy investment bankers po-going alone to Lyla while they lent out too much money. Yes Noel is being stingy. Yes he should write more songs. Yes he is a very talented man who deserves to reap the benefit of that god given talent. I mean its not like hes releasing ´remastered´ versions of his old albums...Fuckin Beatles! Actually the Beatles could redo with some remixed versions of their albums. Listen to the fidelity of "Let It Be ... Naked" and tell me you wouldn't want Sgt. Pepper or Abbey Road sounding as good as that. |
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Post by Wonderwailer on Sept 28, 2008 13:58:01 GMT -5
Personally I dont think this rant goes far enough...Why dont you blame Noel for starting the whole financial meltdown while your at it? I can just imagine those smarmy investment bankers po-going alone to Lyla while they lent out too much money. Yes Noel is being stingy. Yes he should write more songs. Yes he is a very talented man who deserves to reap the benefit of that god given talent. I mean its not like hes releasing ´remastered´ versions of his old albums...Fuckin Beatles! Actually the Beatles could redo with some remixed versions of their albums. Listen to the fidelity of "Let It Be ... Naked" and tell me you wouldn't want Sgt. Pepper or Abbey Road sounding as good as that. Havent you heard thats exactly what they are doing! Except what am I gonna do with all my old Beatles records now? I hope they offer an exchange program lol |
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Post by keystone1316 on Sept 28, 2008 14:02:34 GMT -5
Wow, keystone1316 is probably the biggest spoilsport this website has ever seen. That's including Robohump, at least he had a dry wit to a few of his posts. Yes, money is a problem for us all. And you're listening to 13 new Oasis tracks free of charge. Why not shut the fuck up, yeh? the whole point of this thread is to comment on how the Oasis deluxe edition is a ripoff, which is exactly what I did. Sorry if I dont believe that everything Noels ever written is worth sucking his dick over. Dont know how its being a spoilsport commenting that the deluxe version is a ripoff and Noels song writing quality has diminished. Think thats just stating the obvious to be honest with you. so how about you contribute to the thread or shut the fuck up, yeh? |
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Post by Wonderwailer on Sept 28, 2008 14:54:41 GMT -5
Wow, keystone1316 is probably the biggest spoilsport this website has ever seen. That's including Robohump, at least he had a dry wit to a few of his posts. Yes, money is a problem for us all. And you're listening to 13 new Oasis tracks free of charge. Why not shut the fuck up, yeh? the whole point of this thread is to comment on how the Oasis deluxe edition is a ripoff, which is exactly what I did. Sorry if I dont believe that everything Noels ever written is worth sucking his dick over. Dont know how its being a spoilsport commenting that the deluxe version is a ripoff and Noels song writing quality has diminished. Think thats just stating the obvious to be honest with you. so how about you contribute to the thread or shut the fuck up, yeh? Diminished songwriter? Have you heard the new album? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2008 15:46:54 GMT -5
"buy it if you wanna buy it, if you don't buy it, then don't fucking buy it, i don't give a shit" -liam gallagher Too fucking right. If you want it, buy it. If you still want it but cant afford it, download the fucking album for free. Just buy the fucking album for $10 and dig it. I don't recall reading anything that forces you to buy the album, let alone the deluxe edition. |
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Post by eva on Sept 28, 2008 15:52:29 GMT -5
that's a long thing to read  but it sounds like something I -or someone from my country- would say ;D I wouldn't blame it one the band though |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2008 15:56:42 GMT -5
I think the new album goes someway to solving the current economic crises.
Turn up 'The Turning' loud and just let your woes fall away.
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Post by LlAM on Sept 28, 2008 15:59:33 GMT -5
Ok so I'm still pretty pissed off..... You've probably already downloaded all the tracks for free, so your 6000 word post seems pretty redundant |
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Post by MEANSTREAK on Sept 29, 2008 7:45:49 GMT -5
lol I think some of you are maybe missing the point. Lots of you are simply saying "if you don't like it then don't buy it" when that isn't the case at all. I DO like it! I want to buy all the singles/b-sides and deluxe version of the album with bonus DVD etc. The point is in order to get what appears to be the what should have been b-sides in the Bonus CD, you have to also pay for the 4 vinyls. I think this is ludicris. It's like going to McDonalds to get a happy meal and having them tell you the only way to get one is to also buy a Big Mac meal with it. It's like going to the cinema alone and having them tell you they only sell tickets in pairs and you can't see the movie without buying both tickets. Why the hell do I have to pay for a seat that will remain empty?
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Post by MEANSTREAK on Sept 29, 2008 7:47:39 GMT -5
lol, blaming noel for it all is a lil stupid. i'd like to point out other bands have similar things going on. even fuckin ben folds new crap album comes in cd, cd/dvd and special super deluxe cd/dvd/bonus cd for 100 bucks. he' also signed with Sony. Oh really? Your logic is a bit screwy, so I'd like to point out that other bands ALSO FUCKING SUCK! Since they suck should oasis go ahead and SUCK ASS too? This is the arguement you basically have put forth. |
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but it sounds like something I -or someone from my country- would say ;D I wouldn't blame it one the band though
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