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Post by MEANSTREAK on Sept 29, 2008 7:49:14 GMT -5
Anyway Noel best hope we don't run into each other on the streets of London because I got a word or two to have with short stack Mr Gallagher. Yeah, right.  Try thanking him for fifteen years of unparalleled brilliance first, eh? lol it's not "what have you done for me?" it's "what have you done for me lately?" Just because you gave me a blowjob yesterday doesn't make it ok for you to shit on me today!  |
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Post by MEANSTREAK on Sept 29, 2008 7:51:19 GMT -5
this is stupid just to think oasis did it. Record companies want to make money, they don't care about the music. the band might have signed off on it(can't say that 100%), but it's not like the actual album is 100 bucks. and don't use this as an excuse for not buying the album. nobody is making you buy the 100 dollar one. stupid to spend that much. the bonus cd popped up online anyway. as i said before, other artists signed to Sony have this 100 dollar bs as well. Noel owns the fucking Record Company! He IS the record company! So ya he would have to have signed off on it! It was his decision to leave off any decent b-sides on today's single and his decision to include that bonus disc only is the ultra deluxe edition. |
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Post by roque on Sept 29, 2008 8:17:12 GMT -5
to be honest unless you have an economics degree or are sudying subjects of the like, I dont think you are in a position to really talk about the economic situation and started abusing people. Prices are based soley on supply and demand, with the economic situation we will see a change in interest rates and fiscal policy change by the government and reserve in the given country. This will then change consumer spending, in what you are suggesting a contractionary manner in which demand at the given price will drop and in turn equilibrium level will lower, so supply is equal to demand. This is how the cost price of goods will fall, and this will depend on time lag. You must remember that consumers have/will/could feel the pinch, but so are the business's like sony, its a competitive market and they work for the profits.
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Post by saintoasis on Sept 29, 2008 10:13:52 GMT -5
lol I think some of you are maybe missing the point. Lots of you are simply saying "if you don't like it then don't buy it" when that isn't the case at all. I DO like it! I want to buy all the singles/b-sides and deluxe version of the album with bonus DVD etc. The point is in order to get what appears to be the what should have been b-sides in the Bonus CD, you have to also pay for the 4 vinyls. I think this is ludicris. It's like going to McDonalds to get a happy meal and having them tell you the only way to get one is to also buy a Big Mac meal with it. It's like going to the cinema alone and having them tell you they only sell tickets in pairs and you can't see the movie without buying both tickets. Why the hell do I have to pay for a seat that will remain empty? What a retarded post. I just bought a new MP3, i already had earphones but the Sony c*nts add 20$ on to the price and make me buy 2nd pair. How can they be so inconsiderate in the current financial problems. Think of the fcuking children. |
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Post by MEANSTREAK on Sept 29, 2008 10:59:38 GMT -5
to be honest unless you have an economics degree or are sudying subjects of the like, I dont think you are in a position to really talk about the economic situation and started abusing people. Prices are based soley on supply and demand, with the economic situation we will see a change in interest rates and fiscal policy change by the government and reserve in the given country. This will then change consumer spending, in what you are suggesting a contractionary manner in which demand at the given price will drop and in turn equilibrium level will lower, so supply is equal to demand. This is how the cost price of goods will fall, and this will depend on time lag. You must remember that consumers have/will/could feel the pinch, but so are the business's like sony, its a competitive market and they work for the profits. Wow, what a whopper. Oddly enough economics was my minor in college, and I am fully certified to teach it as well. Amazingly I do happen to be in a position to discuss the economic situation but I fail to see where I was the one starting any abuse? So despite your clear attempt at proving you are the smartest guy in the room you still are missing the point. You missed the basics so here they are in slightly fancier economic terms. 1. There is a high demand for oasis to release more songs with each album, such as b-sides and this "bonus" CD that is in the deluxe box. 2. There is a much lower demand for any music, not just oasis, on vinyl. 3. So, in order to squeeze more money from the people who are demanding more oasis tunes Big Brother records decides to put together a deluxe box set that meets the demand for the extras but also forces you to pony up even more cash for the 4 vinyls that are in much less demand. Thereby artificially creating demand for (and sales of) vinyl that just isn't naturally occurring in the marketplace. Need proof? Check your local music shops' vinyl section. I'm willing to bet the CD section is much, much larger. |
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Post by MEANSTREAK on Sept 29, 2008 11:03:55 GMT -5
lol I think some of you are maybe missing the point. Lots of you are simply saying "if you don't like it then don't buy it" when that isn't the case at all. I DO like it! I want to buy all the singles/b-sides and deluxe version of the album with bonus DVD etc. The point is in order to get what appears to be the what should have been b-sides in the Bonus CD, you have to also pay for the 4 vinyls. I think this is ludicris. It's like going to McDonalds to get a happy meal and having them tell you the only way to get one is to also buy a Big Mac meal with it. It's like going to the cinema alone and having them tell you they only sell tickets in pairs and you can't see the movie without buying both tickets. Why the hell do I have to pay for a seat that will remain empty? What a retarded post. I just bought a new MP3, i already had earphones but the Sony c*nts add 20$ on to the price and make me buy 2nd pair. How can they be so inconsiderate in the current financial problems. Think of the fcuking children. sorry but that's not a good analogy. If you wanted a5GB player but in order to get the 5GB player they made you also buy an additional 10GB player and pay full price for both then maybe that would be a similar situation. Otherwise you need to go back to school according to some people in this thread. |
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Post by caro on Sept 29, 2008 11:08:57 GMT -5
to be honest unless you have an economics degree or are sudying subjects of the like, I dont think you are in a position to really talk about the economic situation and started abusing people. Prices are based soley on supply and demand, with the economic situation we will see a change in interest rates and fiscal policy change by the government and reserve in the given country. This will then change consumer spending, in what you are suggesting a contractionary manner in which demand at the given price will drop and in turn equilibrium level will lower, so supply is equal to demand. This is how the cost price of goods will fall, and this will depend on time lag. You must remember that consumers have/will/could feel the pinch, but so are the business's like sony, its a competitive market and they work for the profits. Wow, what a whopper. Oddly enough economics was my minor in college, and I am fully certified to teach it as well. Amazingly I do happen to be in a position to discuss the economic situation but I fail to see where I was the one starting any abuse? So despite your clear attempt at proving you are the smartest guy in the room you still are missing the point. You missed the basics so here they are in slightly fancier economic terms. 1. There is a high demand for oasis to release more songs with each album, such as b-sides and this "bonus" CD that is in the deluxe box. 2. There is a much lower demand for any music, not just oasis, on vinyl. 3. So, in order to squeeze more money from the people who are demanding more oasis tunes Big Brother records decides to put together a deluxe box set that meets the demand for the extras but also forces you to pony up even more cash for the 4 vinyls that are in much less demand. Thereby artificially creating demand for (and sales of) vinyl that just isn't naturally occurring in the marketplace. Need proof? Check your local music shops' vinyl section. I'm willing to bet the CD section is much, much larger. haha that's so right! I agree on that MS. And their goal is to make money too. And wanting something bad doesn't mean you'll get it (oh the bliss it would be). So yeah only people with extra bucks get the nice fancy stuff We should be happy that oasis tickets were always reasonably priced unlike ALL main acts nowadays! (U2 anyone?  ) Now that's milking fans! |
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Post by saintoasis on Sept 29, 2008 11:15:16 GMT -5
What a retarded post. I just bought a new MP3, i already had earphones but the Sony c*nts add 20$ on to the price and make me buy 2nd pair. How can they be so inconsiderate in the current financial problems. Think of the fcuking children. sorry but that's not a good analogy. If you wanted a5GB player but in order to get the 5GB player they made you also buy an additional 10GB player and pay full price for both then maybe that would be a similar situation. Otherwise you need to go back to school according to some people in this thread. and Mcdonald's is? At the end of the day, you can't pick and choice everything you want in life. I want the car i bought to look like a porshe and pay pittance for it. Yes, the price is a bit steap but you're acting as if Noel has gone out of his way to screw you. They are offering a delux edition with everything on it. How about i only wanted the CD and 1 vynil, should i come on here shouting about how i can't get exactly what i want. If that's the case, there would need to be 20 editions of DOYS needed to suit everyones need. It's a pity if you can't afford it. I can't, wish i could. I'll buy the album and download the rest. |
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Post by baresolid on Sept 29, 2008 12:06:18 GMT -5
Yeah I think Noel has really lost touch with the working classes that he always panders to.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2008 12:08:55 GMT -5
to be honest unless you have an economics degree or are sudying subjects of the like, I dont think you are in a position to really talk about the economic situation and started abusing people. Prices are based soley on supply and demand, with the economic situation we will see a change in interest rates and fiscal policy change by the government and reserve in the given country. This will then change consumer spending, in what you are suggesting a contractionary manner in which demand at the given price will drop and in turn equilibrium level will lower, so supply is equal to demand. This is how the cost price of goods will fall, and this will depend on time lag. You must remember that consumers have/will/could feel the pinch, but so are the business's like sony, its a competitive market and they work for the profits. Wow, what a whopper. Oddly enough economics was my minor in college, and I am fully certified to teach it as well. Amazingly I do happen to be in a position to discuss the economic situation but I fail to see where I was the one starting any abuse? So despite your clear attempt at proving you are the smartest guy in the room you still are missing the point. You missed the basics so here they are in slightly fancier economic terms. 1. There is a high demand for oasis to release more songs with each album, such as b-sides and this "bonus" CD that is in the deluxe box. 2. There is a much lower demand for any music, not just oasis, on vinyl. 3. So, in order to squeeze more money from the people who are demanding more oasis tunes Big Brother records decides to put together a deluxe box set that meets the demand for the extras but also forces you to pony up even more cash for the 4 vinyls that are in much less demand. Thereby artificially creating demand for (and sales of) vinyl that just isn't naturally occurring in the marketplace. Need proof? Check your local music shops' vinyl section. I'm willing to bet the CD section is much, much larger. Cut the arrogance, there's no need for it on here (anyway, given that economics was your minor in college, whom are you qualified to teach? Fifth graders?). 1) Given - as you mention - the rarity of vinyl, the production costs for the whole Super Deluxe edition will be noticeably higher than the usual mass produced standard CD version. Hence the extra cost. 2) Is it better to have a range of products that fit a number of budgets (DOYS has a range of prices from £5 to £50), or one product that has a fixed price? 3) The demograph targeted with the Super Deluxe edition are wealthy super-fans. They can buy the beautiful deluxe edition, whilst the rest of us can buy the normal CD and can easily download the extras free of charge. 5) Proles that have an internet connection aren't really missing out on anything, bar the beautiful cover artwork that comes with the Super Deluxe edition. 6) Yes, clearly the thinking behind DOYS's various releases are money. But in actuality, this particular brand of distribution isn't really out of step with what anyone else is doing right now. - And last but not least: whilst Noel Gallagher owns Big Brother, I doubt that he is personally responsible for the marketing and distribution of this record. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 29, 2008 12:18:26 GMT -5
Congratulations you've made the most boring, irrelevant topic ever.
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Post by MEANSTREAK on Sept 29, 2008 12:42:51 GMT -5
sorry but that's not a good analogy. If you wanted a5GB player but in order to get the 5GB player they made you also buy an additional 10GB player and pay full price for both then maybe that would be a similar situation. Otherwise you need to go back to school according to some people in this thread. and Mcdonald's is? At the end of the day, you can't pick and choice everything you want in life. I want the car i bought to look like a porshe and pay pittance for it. Yes, the price is a bit steap but you're acting as if Noel has gone out of his way to screw you. They are offering a delux edition with everything on it. How about i only wanted the CD and 1 vynil, should i come on here shouting about how i can't get exactly what i want. If that's the case, there would need to be 20 editions of DOYS needed to suit everyones need. It's a pity if you can't afford it. I can't, wish i could. I'll buy the album and download the rest. Thanks for the lesson in the facts of life pops! I'm simply saying it makes better sense to have an all CD package or an all vinyl package. Kind of like the bonus songs onl available on the vinyl editions of DM & WTSMG. If it's only on vinyl then fine I won't be buying it, but to make stuff on CD but only available when you also buy the exact same music all on vinyl is just plain stupid. Oh, and I'm sorry you can't afford it, I would have thought you would agree a package like this is BS. I'm lucky enough to be able to afford it, I already pre-ordered it, and have already posted up in the flea market to sell the vinyls. I still think it's wrong to make an exclusive to the package bunch of music but only available when you purchase multiple formats. |
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Post by MEANSTREAK on Sept 29, 2008 12:44:15 GMT -5
Congratulations you've made the most boring, irrelevant topic ever. nobody held a gun to your head and made you click and read to the end. Besides, have you even seen some of live4evr and ugottahavefun's topics? |
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Post by supersonic1983 on Sept 29, 2008 12:48:30 GMT -5
Besides, have you even seen some of live4evr and ugottahavefun's topics? He's got you there, pal.  |
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Post by MEANSTREAK on Sept 29, 2008 13:03:26 GMT -5
Cut the arrogance, there's no need for it on here (anyway, given that economics was your minor in college, whom are you qualified to teach? Fifth graders?). wow, a guy who comes on here and says and then proceeds to give us a lecture on supply and demand is calling me arrogant? If you must know Economics is a senior level subject in Texas, but I do have a nephew in the fifth grade who could undoubtedly give you a run for your money brainiac. I didn't say vinyl was rare, I said it wasn't in high demand. The low demand means the raw materials are cheap and with the infrasructure already in place to produce it the cost is minimal. And I am also saying we shouldn't have to buy the vinyl as well as the digital in order to buy the "bonus" CD. Not when you make available a demanded product but only purchasable when buying two formats. It's like if you wanted the a new release of a DVD movie but if you want the 2 disc special edition version you must also pay for the same thing on VHS in one package. Dude, I've pre-ordered it and I'm hardly wealthy, but essentially what you are saying is the record company has priced many of it's customers out of the market for the item so they should just go steal it. Hardly an effective business model especially when so many record execs are complaining about all the money they are losing due to illegal downloading. so since they really aren't missing anything at all any member of the proletariat should just shut up and take it and get back to limewire? So since everybody else is screwing their fans that makes it ok? If you think Noel didn't sign off on this double format package half-filled with useless to most people stuff then you are living in a fantasy world |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2008 13:43:34 GMT -5
Cut the arrogance, there's no need for it on here (anyway, given that economics was your minor in college, whom are you qualified to teach? Fifth graders?). wow, a guy who comes on here and says and then proceeds to give us a lecture on supply and demand is calling me arrogant? If you must know Economics is a senior level subject in Texas, but I do have a nephew in the fifth grade who could undoubtedly give you a run for your money brainiac. I am not even the same guy who gave you the spiel about economics in the first place. He was called Roque, my username is nnyrad. Braniac? Cut the bullshit, you've insulted everyone who has questioned you. I never insulted you, I just don't think Oasis are causing the general fan more pain than necessary in these hard economic times. Screwing their fans out of money? You chose to buy the deluxe edition. You've got a point: Oasis should make the bonus stuff available to download legally or be available to buy on CD without the all the extra stuff (Vinyls, expensive box etc). But, as many people have pointed out, Noel G said if you can find it on the internet, feel free to download it. No need to have a go at your fellow Oasis fans, dude. One more thing: Noel definitely didn't come up with the distribution methods behind DOYS, let's be clear about that. I never said that he didn't give the idea the go ahead, but I doubt he really thought about the economic issues behind it that much. |
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Post by MEANSTREAK on Sept 29, 2008 14:01:15 GMT -5
I am not even the same guy who gave you the spiel about economics in the first place. He was called Roque, my username is nnyrad. lol ya sorry, all you noobs look alike to me! Whatever! You insulted the 21 college hours worth of economics I suffered through! That's exactly what I'm saying! Finally! They can be taught! sorry I wasn't meaning to attack you, I was attacking Noel for letting this shit fly. But I do wonder how come so many people are so sure Noel had nothing to do with this. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2008 14:09:58 GMT -5
Perhaps because record companies have marketing departments? Oasis are in a privileged position in that they have more control over their product than most bands, but that doesn't mean that they exercise that control over every possible area. Anyway, who are you calling noob? I've been a member here longer than you  |
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Post by brumoscardo on Sept 29, 2008 14:22:55 GMT -5
You think there should've been a medium deluxe pack? without the vinyls? that's it? why not make it complicated when easy is just boring, right? I agree totally. There should be 4 DVDs in the place of those stupid vinyls. I am gonna buy it BUT only when I have the money and have nothing else more important in the world to buy instead.
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Post by roque on Sept 30, 2008 2:53:25 GMT -5
you know what? I actually do agree with you about the vinyl should be an added extra, and not just assumed that he/she who wants the bonus should get the vinyl. However bring the economic crisis into it had absolutley nothing to do with your argument and thats the only reason i gave the 'lecture'.. if thats what you call it.
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Post by pwntinator on Sept 30, 2008 3:19:59 GMT -5
I feel sorry for you that can't afford it. Here in Sweden I think most people can afford something like that without it having too much of an impact on your personal economy. After my taxes are payed (33% of my salary) and bills in the end of the month I usually have something like 1000$ over and I tend to go out and eat, drink and spend money on various stuff alot during the month. I don't have an extraordinary salary to begin with either, just a normal one which 50% of all swedes have. I really hope the economy problems in the US won't affect our market here as much as it seems to affect you And it's probably not Noel who choose the prices of stuff like that. Tho I think you can blame him for not putting any new songs on the singles. |
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Post by MEANSTREAK on Sept 30, 2008 5:03:47 GMT -5
you know what? I actually do agree with you about the vinyl should be an added extra, and not just assumed that he/she who wants the bonus should get the vinyl. However bring the economic crisis into it had absolutley nothing to do with your argument and thats the only reason i gave the 'lecture'.. if thats what you call it. nothing to do with it? The world economic climate has everything to do with it! People are losing their jobs, their savings, their homes etc. In a world where many people are going broke and struggling to afford to buy music from their favorite bands it is really sticking it to us to give us no b-sides on the singles and the only way to buy the bonus CD is to buy 4 vinyls you don't necessarily want as well. Maybe if this was 1998 and the stock market was booming it wouldn't be such a screw over. Now go back to the library and read some Adam Smith smart boy. |
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Post by halftheworld on Sept 30, 2008 6:20:00 GMT -5
hey of course it is just a rip off to make the customer buy something he doesn't really want. but first of all i don't think, that this was noels idea. not that i wouldn't expect him to make as much money as he can for big brother, but i just think he doesn't give a shit. he got his record deal anyway.
now for sony the super special extra deluxe version has the highest margin. and they are milking the people who are the last ones to really pay for music: the fans.
they have to make money somehow, i guess.
for me this is way to much. i would buy the special edition for 20 to 30 $ and download the bonus songs on the internet.
as for the financial crisis i think that by the time they announced the deluxe edition, we all thought the worst is over...
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