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Post by ToneBender on Sept 13, 2008 19:20:46 GMT -5
www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/sep/14/oasis.popandrock4 out of 5 stars Nearly 15 years since they first swaggered and sneered their way into the public consciousness, the Gallaghers still polarise opinion like no other. Mere mention of O*s*s in a blog prompts hundreds of posts, many asking why people are still interested. The answer is simple. As bona fide rock stars, no one else has come along and, as Rio Ferdinand would put it, 'taken up the mantelpiece'. Which leaves them slightly adrift and peerless. They remain, as Alan McGee said, 'too young to be the Stones and too old to be part of that whole Libertines thing'. Last time out, Liam declared: 'I carry madness, everywhere I go', but of late, the rock'n'roll star seems somewhat tamed and sober, getting up at 6am to go running on Hampstead Heath before dropping off the kids at school. On Definitely Maybe, the young Gallagher sang about strawberries and cream and 'lassaagnnnya'. This month, he revealed his recipe for steaming salmon in soy sauce, and how the gastropub near his second home in Henley-on-Thames is owned by Antony Worrall Thompson. He still peppers most sentences with the F-word, but now also appears on The F Word, joking with Gordon Ramsay. Noel, meanwhile, seems to be enjoying a second youth, appearing on Radio 1's breakfast show recently, evidently still drunk, having fallen out of a rock bar in Soho only an hour or so previously. Their last album, 2005's Don't Believe the Truth, marked a long-awaited return to form and the basics that made us take notice all those years ago. This time around, Noel set out to write 'music that had more of a groove', which he has, but occasionally at the expense of the song. Since 2000's Standing on the Shoulder of Giants, Oasis have always come back with a no-nonsense call to arms - 'Go Let it Out', 'The Hindu Times', 'Lyla' - and there's no change here. Lead single 'The Shock of the Lightning' is a propulsive, heads-down rocker, full of those trademark non sequiturs Noel reaches for when there are many things he would like to say but doesn't know how. It's also one of the few obvious singles on the album. Guitarist Gem Archer and bassist Andy Bell contribute a song each - the hypnotic 'To be Where There's Life' and the rockier 'The Nature of Reality' - but they do nothing to challenge Noel's title of The Chief when it comes to songwriting. If anyone is going to do that, it's now clear it's Liam, who has come a long way since 'Little James'. The other clear single is his 'I'm Outta Time', a Lennon-esque (shocker) piano-led ballad, showing his new, more reflective side as he reveals how he strives to 'give myself some peace of mind ... you know it's getting hard to fly'. The Beatles influences are ever-present - from the 'Dear Prudence' guitar at the end of 'The Turning' to the 'Give Peace a Chance' clap and stomp of '(Get Off Your) High Horse Lady' - but they're now borrowing more freely from the canon: the dirty guitar on 'Waiting For the Rapture' from the Doors' 'Five to One', the Who on Liam's 'Ain't Got Nothin" and even, er, Pink Floyd on opener 'Bag it Up'. Overall, they have eschewed the immediacy, bolshiness and classic pop songs for slightly wider ranging influences, from drone to acid rock. You could say that if Definitely Maybe was their Stone Roses, Dig Out Your Soul is their Second Coming. It won't win them any new fans, but those that believed the truth last time will dig this. Download 'Bag it Up'; 'I'm Outta Time'; 'The Shock of the Lightning' ************************************************************************************** German FHN five stars, album of the month. ************************************************************************************** Cleveland Leader - A Lot to Dig on New Oasis Album 'Dig Out Your Soul' - Sep 19, 2008************************************************************************************** Bloomberg - Live Forever? - Rating: Average************************************************************************************** ArticlesBase - Sep 22, 2008************************************************************************************** UAB Kaleidoscope - Sep 23rd, 2008************************************************************************************** Antiquiet - Oasis Should Start Digging - Sep 23rd, 2008************************************************************************************** The Quietus - 'Dig Out Your Soul' Reviewed Track-By-Track - Sep 23rd, 2008************************************************************************************** Gigwise - Sep 25, 2008************************************************************************************** Why the music world needs Oasis - by Alan McGee - Sep 30, 2008************************************************************************************** The Veredict on Oasis's new album Dig Out Your Soul - Times - Oct 1st, 2008**************************************************************************************
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2008 19:23:51 GMT -5
Out of the seven paragraphs, only two talk about the album itself. This seems to be common trend in pop music journalism.
When bothering to actually talk about the record, the Observer only serve to compare Noel's songs to songs by other bands - I don't really get a feel for what the album is like from this review, or whether I would enjoy it.
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Post by thedon on Sept 13, 2008 19:27:01 GMT -5
"You could say that if Definitely Maybe was their Stone Roses, Dig Out Your Soul is their Second Coming."
If I hadn't heard these clips, I'd be pretty fucking gutted to read the comparison made to that terrible record.
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Post by music89 on Sept 13, 2008 19:28:13 GMT -5
4 out of 5 stars thats really good, i got all excited when it says Download 'Bag it Up'; 'I'm Outta Time'; but there is no link  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2008 19:42:24 GMT -5
For the record, they gave DBTT a 3/5, so that's an extra star for DOYS.  |
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Post by joe5000 on Sept 13, 2008 20:58:44 GMT -5
Even the Guardian, known oasis haters (if you've read their music bog) say it's good (they give it 4/5) It does annoy me that they don't talk about the music. Reminds me of a pitchfork media review. BTW I'm really looking forward to the pitchfork review, to see what they're going to ramble on about for 20 paragraphs before they give it 3.1/10 (like the masterplan).
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Post by caats19 on Sept 13, 2008 21:10:19 GMT -5
yah, not particularly well written review. i think DBTT manage a 3.8 on pitchfork. so maybe DOYS will get a 3.9?
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Post by ianbrown21 on Sept 13, 2008 21:58:44 GMT -5
generally i don't
really care about most reviews but when i saw guardian giving oasis a 4/5 i was very excited, because generally they only give those reviews to radiohead....and i like radiohead so i am not knocking them...but reading that review was bullshit...its like no writer is man enough to say..you know what after 15 years there still making it happen. regardless that stone roses cheap shot is bullshit....i love second coming...obviously, but that was not meant in a nice way
fuckin dicks eh...
how you can give an album 4/5 and then rip on it...
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Post by lorijo on Sept 13, 2008 22:44:05 GMT -5
Download 'Bag it Up'; 'I'm Outta Time' Great! Where can I get these in full?   |
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Post by Cast on Sept 13, 2008 22:55:20 GMT -5
BTW I'm really looking forward to the pitchfork review, to see what they're going to ramble on about for 20 paragraphs before they give it 3.1/10 (like the masterplan). spot on. Pitchfork is just a big oasis hater and loves to suck on radiohead's dick (to see the most fucked up review ever look at their review of Kid A). I don't mind Kid A just that review is just, wow. Its good that DOYS got some love from a place they aren't given that much by. |
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Post by ianbrown21 on Sept 13, 2008 23:08:37 GMT -5
i agree with the pitchfork Kid A review, that album opened my eyes to a whole genre of music....to this day Kid A is my fav Radiohead album.....
and seeing them on the Kid Amnesiac tour was one of the greatest shows i have ever seen Aug 3rd 2001, if you wanna look up the setlist....since then i have seen them 5 other times and not one has touched it and what they have released since then has not come close imo......in rainbows was great.....but personally i'll take don't believe the truth....but Kid A does it for me
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Post by PsychedelicElvis on Sept 14, 2008 0:40:23 GMT -5
Don't take reviews to seriously. In 15 years Noels had more than enough time to offend just about everyone and that includes (as Noel says) media slags.
That review was pretty good for a journalist because most of them take full advantage of having a pen and an opportunity to get Noel back
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Post by jasonbourne on Sept 14, 2008 1:25:20 GMT -5
Oasis have gone from media darlings to a band that journalists feel reluctant to praise.
For a few years there, the dismissive nature was justified (save for a few songs), but with DBTT, and now DOYS, the music is simply too good to ignore, despite the reviewers just itching to use the word "irrelevant."
A lot of people on this forum, along with myself, often complain about how the personalities are often reviewed more than the album itself, but to be fair, that's a big reason for why we love Oasis.
4/5 is damn good.
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Post by schine on Sept 14, 2008 3:51:21 GMT -5
I think this album will be better than DBTT.
For two reason:
1-i think Liam defnitely really improved, and his songs remain in the mind.
2-it's a MATURE record.it's not for the kids.the record have a bluesy appeal.
Good review.Second coming is a good album.
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Post by themanwithnoname on Sept 14, 2008 11:02:30 GMT -5
Weird review, says a lot without really saying anything.
4 out of 5 is a decent score from The Guardian though.
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Post by pdrangers on Sept 14, 2008 12:01:57 GMT -5
First post - hope everybodys well.
I did expect the review to be negative before reading. The Guardian is pretty much a bastion of middle-class Liberal cultural elitism. Thats why they have railed against Oasis in the past - they are often guilty of musical snobbery.
Great to see 4/5 being awarded here , don't get me wrong! I'm greatly encouraged by this and to be honest , the album clips for the most part sounded shit-hot.
Straight away I got the feeling that the reviewer found DOYS to be a very good album but simply couldn't bring himself to say so. Get it right round ye , ya middle class, wet indie snob!
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Post by PsychedelicElvis on Sept 14, 2008 12:05:18 GMT -5
First post - hope everybodys well. I did expect the review to be negative before reading. The Guardian is pretty much a bastion of middle-class Liberal cultural elitism. Thats why they have railed against Oasis in the past - they are often guilty of musical snobbery. Great to see 4/5 being awarded here , don't get me wrong! I'm greatly encouraged by this and to be honest , the album clips for the most part sounded shit-hot. Straight away I got the feeling that the reviewer found DOYS to be a very good album but simply couldn't bring himself to say so. Get it right round ye , ya middle class, wet indie snob! lol good first post |
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Post by mightberight on Sept 14, 2008 20:35:38 GMT -5
Sorry, but reviewers have been reluctant to praise Oasis over the last 2 or 3 albums because they have been patchy. It's not because Oasis are everyone's favourite band to hate - but there's plenty of great music that isn't in the focus of the mainstream which completely blows their last few efforts out of the water - see The National, The Walkmen, Spoon, Arcade Fire etc etc.
This album seems very promising at the moment, however - it's easy to say that, but journalists are taking more notice because this music IS of a better quality.
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Post by caats19 on Sept 14, 2008 22:40:21 GMT -5
DBTT was praised in a few places. i really like allmusic.com's reviews of oasis. 5 stars for DM and MG. 3.5 for BHN. 3's for HC/SOTSG and 4.5 for DBTT.
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Post by Cast on Sept 15, 2008 0:03:10 GMT -5
allmusic does the best for them i think except i would raise bhn and standing to a 4 atleast
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Post by Jonny on Sept 15, 2008 6:26:27 GMT -5
NME will hype it to fuck and give it 6/10 I reckon.
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Post by baresolid on Sept 15, 2008 10:09:38 GMT -5
Allmusic is the most reputable music review site in my opinion, they tend to rely less on what is 'fashionable' to give a band, and focus on the quality of the music contained within the disc itself.
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Post by caats19 on Sept 15, 2008 11:46:14 GMT -5
yah i like em. sometimes i don't agree, like they seem to not like rufus wainwright and Mando Diao but whatevs. they're pretty good. my friend said Paste didn't give it a good review, but Paste is so snooty.
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Post by start at the end on Sept 15, 2008 13:51:19 GMT -5
4/5 is about the best you can hope for. Next to NO album will ever get a 5/5 or even 4.5/5 out of the gate. Classic albums take time, and need to garner a unique "culture" before they're vaulted there...especially for mainstream pop/rock acts like Oasis.
Look at the early WTSMG reviews. They ranged fom dreadful to just "good" in many places, and now most would never deny its place amongst the greatest albums of the 90's certainly, and even all-time in many other's opinions.
I'll take 4/5 anyday of the week from the get.
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Post by caats19 on Sept 15, 2008 15:10:17 GMT -5
Coldplay's X&Y got a 5/5 from Rolling Stone.......ha
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