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Post by shoofee on Sept 10, 2008 9:52:28 GMT -5
he up against poeple with views further from his own now so i don't know you can make the correlation Sure you can. He lost nearly every important state in the primaries because when it came down to the actual campaigning, Obama couldn't hold up to the scrutiny and the attack ads. Obama won by technicalities really- the caucuses, the Michigan and Florida stupidity, the proportional allocation of delegates. When there were actual people voting then Obama bit the dust. Hillary and Obama were nearly identical on the issues, but when voters were forced to look at Obama for too long they found him condescending, inexperienced, and wishy washy. This was in the dem primaries, and now he has to shop himself to moderates and conservatives to win the election. I don't think they will break his way more than the dem primary voters did. No you really can't. What states are you saying are important? Democratic strongholds like CA and NJ? Those states are not going to go for the Republicans and I'll bet $500 a piece that neither of them are even close. Just as states like Alabama and Texas aren't going to go for the Democrats. The only time a Democrat or Republican contend in these sort of states is when they're from there or its an incumbent election, i.e. Johnson in Texas or Reagan in California, or when a party gets a perfect storm and just takes the whole map (i.e. Reagan or Roosevelt). The Democrats had record turnout in virtually every single state, in a lot of cases each of their candidates had double what the GOP winner had, even when the GOP was still a race. NJ and CA are Super Tuesday contests so it was most assuredly still a heated race on both sides at that time. New Jersey primary (the number is total votes) Hillary Clinton 613,500 Barack Obama 501,372 These two combined had more votes than the entire Republican field, including Giuliani and all those guys before they dropped out. John McCain 313,459 Mitt Romney 160,388
CaliforniaHillary Clinton 2,608,184 Barack Obama 2,186,662 John McCain 1,238,988 Mitt Romney 1,013,471 The main thing is how does Obama perform in the states that are going to tip the election. States like Ohio (dead even in polls), Colorado (close, but Obama leading), Virginia (dead even), Pennsylvania (slight Obama lead). These are the states that are going to tip the scale one way or another. |
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Post by nyr401994 on Sept 10, 2008 22:46:26 GMT -5
still haven't heard anything from l4e  ... again. |
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Post by KPZK the Most Supreme...Thingy on Sept 11, 2008 12:27:53 GMT -5
still haven't heard anything from l4e ... again. Maybe he's dead.  |
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Post by raisin on Sept 11, 2008 17:22:50 GMT -5
McCain/Palin!! Yahoo!!
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Post by nyr401994 on Sept 11, 2008 22:00:35 GMT -5
still haven't heard anything from l4e ... again. Maybe he's dead. or maybe he's stocking up some of the latest talking points from michael savage and sean hannity, only to be humiliated again. this ain't the first time this has happened... |
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Post by joeyfrancis on Sept 11, 2008 22:21:09 GMT -5
I had him pegged as a Bill O guy.
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Post by nyr401994 on Sept 12, 2008 2:36:57 GMT -5
I had him pegged as a Bill O guy. bill o is too liberal for him. |
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Post by Winston Churchill on Sept 12, 2008 18:10:29 GMT -5
speaking does count for a lot. that's one of the the only good things i can say about reagan. So you would rather vote for a candidate who speaks well but has flawed policies over a candidate that who sometimes stumbles over words but has good policies? Moreover, you would rather vote for a candidate who speaks well without even understanding the policies of either of the candidates - such as Scorpio Rising is suggesting? If so, then you're incredibly daft and don't deserve to vote. You're electing a President so he can better your country, you're NOT voting for a President to solely give good speeches. Furthermore, if you don't know anything about either candidate, then you better not fucking vote as you could be doing a great disservice and harm to yourself and the country itself. Economy, unemployment, Iraq War, Terrorism, Iran, Syria, Middle East Conflict, Russia's persistence in Georgia, relations with Latin America, AIDS/HIV, Darfour, Stem Cell Research, Off shore drilling, global warming, finding other energy sources, how to handle a spontaneous crisis, bettering the nation's education, etc ARE ALL MORE IMPORTANT THAN HOW WELL A CANDIDATE SPEAKS. You two really are idiots. Stay away from the voting booths.Wowowowowow! I said I didn't know about policies (I'm a brit, I don't need to know ) so I couldn't comment. I was saying / meant that plenty of people vote for the better speaker, and it is a big thing to be able to do. Yes, policies should matter a lot more than that, but sadly a lot of people vote for the candidate that can speak well or come across as a certain type of person... |
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Post by nyr401994 on Sept 13, 2008 2:38:17 GMT -5
don't worry about it, scorpio rising. i took him down from his pedestal.
what goes up must come down.
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Post by Cast on Sept 13, 2008 10:28:01 GMT -5
Obama is a great speaker no doubt, but thats about it. I watched the Morning Glory review dvd yesterday and one of the people said "that blair was a great speaker but once you read what he was saying you were left think what the hell is this?" I'm not trying to bash Blair or anything just any thoughts that this could relate to this election?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2008 0:56:29 GMT -5
My Top 10 Things That Could Happen If John McCain Is Elected President:
10. He decides to raise the age for retirement to 104.
09. He insists on appointing Matlock as his Attorney General.
08. He demands all water coolers in the White House dispense prune juice, not water.
07. He changes the national bird from an eagle to a pet bird he had as a child: The Teradactile
06. He makes National Physical Fitness and Sports Month consist only of shuffle board and bingo.
05. He replaces grains with Metamucil as one of the four major food groups.
04. He fires his vice president because he forgot to Tivo Murder She Wrote.
03. He misses his first State of the Union address because of a Father Downing marathon on Nick at Nite.
02. He tries to distract Americans focus on a declining economy by revealing a recent affair he had with Blanch from the Golden Girls.
01. He changes Black History Month to Jack Lalanne month and forces every American purchase a blue jump suit and a power juicer.
My Top 10 Runner-Ups:
03. He gets frustrated with his Secret Service men because they constantly argue over who’s turn it is to change his diaper.
02. He decides to turn the Rose Garden into a shuffle board court.
01. He becomes outraged because staff members constantly quit because they get tired of having to pick up his Viagra at the pharmacy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2008 5:04:46 GMT -5
Obama is a great speaker no doubt, but thats about it. I watched the Morning Glory review dvd yesterday and one of the people said "that blair was a great speaker but once you read what he was saying you were left think what the hell is this?" I'm not trying to bash Blair or anything just any thoughts that this could relate to this election? i have many problems with blair but he would be better than both obama and mccain. infact until the iraq war as far as PM's go he was well liked. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2008 7:29:49 GMT -5
Obama is a great speaker no doubt, but thats about it. I watched the Morning Glory review dvd yesterday and one of the people said "that blair was a great speaker but once you read what he was saying you were left think what the hell is this?" I'm not trying to bash Blair or anything just any thoughts that this could relate to this election? i have many problems with blair but he would be better than both obama and mccain. infact until the iraq war as far as PM's go he was well liked. Who's this Blair everyone is talking about? I thought Bush was the reason we went to Iraq? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2008 8:25:28 GMT -5
i have many problems with blair but he would be better than both obama and mccain. infact until the iraq war as far as PM's go he was well liked. Who's this Blair everyone is talking about? I thought Bush was the reason we went to Iraq? the US president doesen't have the power to make the UK go to war |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2008 10:40:20 GMT -5
Who's this Blair everyone is talking about? I thought Bush was the reason we went to Iraq? the US president doesen't have the power to make the UK go to war I don't see what has to with this poll which concerns the 2008 Presidential Election in the USA. All I wanted to know is who this Blair guy is. Did a google search, found he was President of some Eastern European country, Scotland or England or somewhere. Whatever, the point is, it's not relevant to the issue in this thread. I'm voting McCain. I'm a big fan of Bush, he's done a great job, and McCain is the closet to Bush in this race: Bush removed an evil dictator and replaced it with a DEMOCRACY in Iran; the BUSH DOCTRINE (where we can launch a preemptive strike on a rouge nation) has massively boosted our defense; TAX CUTS which have greatly helped rich families in tough economic times; BANNING all flavored cigarettes except Menthols etc. A great President, in fifty years he will be seen by the media as the force for good he is. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2008 10:47:10 GMT -5
the US president doesen't have the power to make the UK go to war I don't see what has to with this poll which concerns the 2008 Presidential Election in the USA. All I wanted to know is who this Blair guy is. Did a google search, found he was President of some Easter European country, Scotland or England or somewhere. Whatever, the point is, it's not relevant to the issue in this thread. I'm voting McCain. I'm a big fan of Bush, he's done a great job, and McCain is the closet to Bush in this race: Bush removed an evil dictator and replaced it with a DEMOCRACY in Iran; the BUSH DOCTRINE (where we can launch a preemptive strike on a rouge nation) has massively boosted our defense; TAX CUTS which have greatly helped rich families in tough economic times; BANNING all flavored cigarettes except Menthols etc. A great President, in fifty years he will be seen by the media as the force for good he is. wtf is an Easter European country? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2008 10:51:02 GMT -5
I don't see what has to with this poll which concerns the 2008 Presidential Election in the USA. All I wanted to know is who this Blair guy is. Did a google search, found he was President of some Easter European country, Scotland or England or somewhere. Whatever, the point is, it's not relevant to the issue in this thread. I'm voting McCain. I'm a big fan of Bush, he's done a great job, and McCain is the closet to Bush in this race: Bush removed an evil dictator and replaced it with a DEMOCRACY in Iran; the BUSH DOCTRINE (where we can launch a preemptive strike on a rouge nation) has massively boosted our defense; TAX CUTS which have greatly helped rich families in tough economic times; BANNING all flavored cigarettes except Menthols etc. A great President, in fifty years he will be seen by the media as the force for good he is. wtf is an Easter European country? A typo. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2008 10:55:36 GMT -5
in that case your location is wrong we are west europe
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Post by joeyfrancis on Sept 14, 2008 12:57:48 GMT -5
the US president doesen't have the power to make the UK go to war I don't see what has to with this poll which concerns the 2008 Presidential Election in the USA. All I wanted to know is who this Blair guy is. Did a google search, found he was President of some Eastern European country, Scotland or England or somewhere. Whatever, the point is, it's not relevant to the issue in this thread. I'm voting McCain. I'm a big fan of Bush, he's done a great job, and McCain is the closet to Bush in this race: Bush removed an evil dictator and replaced it with a DEMOCRACY in Iran; the BUSH DOCTRINE (where we can launch a preemptive strike on a rouge nation) has massively boosted our defense; TAX CUTS which have greatly helped rich families in tough economic times; BANNING all flavored cigarettes except Menthols etc. A great President, in fifty years he will be seen by the media as the force for good he is. You are retarded. |
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Post by GasPanic on Sept 14, 2008 20:38:51 GMT -5
speaking does count for a lot. that's one of the the only good things i can say about reagan. So you would rather vote for a candidate who speaks well but has flawed policies over a candidate that who sometimes stumbles over words but has good policies? Moreover, you would rather vote for a candidate who speaks well without even understanding the policies of either of the candidates - such as Scorpio Rising is suggesting? If so, then you're incredibly daft and don't deserve to vote. You're electing a President so he can better your country, you're NOT voting for a President to solely give good speeches. Furthermore, if you don't know anything about either candidate, then you better not fucking vote as you could be doing a great disservice and harm to yourself and the country itself. Economy, unemployment, Iraq War, Terrorism, Iran, Syria, Middle East Conflict, Russia's persistence in Georgia, relations with Latin America, AIDS/HIV, Darfour, Stem Cell Research, Off shore drilling, global warming, finding other energy sources, how to handle a spontaneous crisis, bettering the nation's education, etc ARE ALL MORE IMPORTANT THAN HOW WELL A CANDIDATE SPEAKS. You two really are idiots. Stay away from the voting booths.Ew. |
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Post by KPZK the Most Supreme...Thingy on Sept 22, 2008 16:11:36 GMT -5
the US president doesen't have the power to make the UK go to war I don't see what has to with this poll which concerns the 2008 Presidential Election in the USA. All I wanted to know is who this Blair guy is. Did a google search, found he was President of some Eastern European country, Scotland or England or somewhere. Whatever, the point is, it's not relevant to the issue in this thread. I'm voting McCain. I'm a big fan of Bush, he's done a great job, and McCain is the closet to Bush in this race: Bush removed an evil dictator and replaced it with a DEMOCRACY in Iran; the BUSH DOCTRINE (where we can launch a preemptive strike on a rouge nation) has massively boosted our defense; TAX CUTS which have greatly helped rich families in tough economic times; BANNING all flavored cigarettes except Menthols etc. A great President, in fifty years he will be seen by the media as the force for good he is. 1. The fact that you don't know who Tony Blair is deeply disturbs me. 2. The fact that you are a fan of Bush, the most unpopular (and flat-out idiotic) US president in history, removes any and all possibilities that you possess functional brain cells. 3. Rich families don't need to be helped in tough economic times, middle- and lower-class ones need to be. As joeyfrancis said, you are retarded. |
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Post by AKA_TheBrokenArrow on Sept 24, 2008 16:36:32 GMT -5
Anyone who votes McCain/Palin need a swift kick in the balls, then a fucking history lesson. Look at the last 8 years, the country has gone to shit. INCLUDING the events of this past week with the financial crisis.
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Post by AKA_TheBrokenArrow on Sept 24, 2008 16:37:43 GMT -5
I don't see what has to with this poll which concerns the 2008 Presidential Election in the USA. All I wanted to know is who this Blair guy is. Did a google search, found he was President of some Eastern European country, Scotland or England or somewhere. Whatever, the point is, it's not relevant to the issue in this thread. I'm voting McCain. I'm a big fan of Bush, he's done a great job, and McCain is the closet to Bush in this race: Bush removed an evil dictator and replaced it with a DEMOCRACY in Iran; the BUSH DOCTRINE (where we can launch a preemptive strike on a rouge nation) has massively boosted our defense; TAX CUTS which have greatly helped rich families in tough economic times; BANNING all flavored cigarettes except Menthols etc. A great President, in fifty years he will be seen by the media as the force for good he is. 1. The fact that you don't know who Tony Blair is deeply disturbs me. 2. The fact that you are a fan of Bush, the most unpopular (and flat-out idiotic) US president in history, removes any and all possibilities that you possess functional brain cells. 3. Rich families don't need to be helped in tough economic times, middle- and lower-class ones need to be. As joeyfrancis said, you are retarded. lol i don't know how i missed this, but fuck you hit it right on the head. There's no way a)McBush will win and b)if for some UNGODLY reason he did, that he'd be good in anyway for the U.S. or the rest of the world. |
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Post by nehemiah on Sept 24, 2008 17:00:03 GMT -5
i have many problems with blair but he would be better than both obama and mccain. infact until the iraq war as far as PM's go he was well liked. Who's this Blair everyone is talking about? I thought Bush was the reason we went to Iraq? Are you American? |
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Post by PolskaBro1824 on Oct 2, 2008 14:44:48 GMT -5
You know what they say, when your young your liberal because you dont know shit, when your older you grow to be conservative because then you "get it" Well, well, we finally disagree. You know what else they say, which is supported by fact, the more educated one becomes, the more liberal their views become. Fact. I could spend hours typing right now but I'll say this, McCain is a fucking sellout, who is for some reason standing firmly behind a party who threw him to the wolves on many occasions in the past. He should be finishing his 2nd term in office rather than beginning his first. Instead, his filthy, dumb party decided to go with the least experienced, ignorant douche to ever stand office, we call him President Bush . And as for that company c*nt Sarah Palin, she is about the definition of a puppet. There is a reason she will now only due interviews on McCain's side. She has no real views of her own, and she has pretty much stated this. When asked about Bush's foreign policy she looked like a deer in headlights and pretty much said "it's good". And I must not make known how important this is to know. And then she cannot even name ONE magazine or newspaper she reads. She freaks out and says "all of them"!!! Obama is the first honest, respectable political candidate in years, this is why is receiving my vote. I got suckered into voting for Bush last time around in the midst of his party's fear mongoling. That won't happen again. I am not a liberal, nor conservative, I vote on morals and integrity. Obama 08. * ha they changed C*nt to vagina. |
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