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Post by Oasis39 on Sept 6, 2008 22:41:26 GMT -5
The next president of the United States is going to be my boss, and I trust McCain to do that job over Obama.
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Post by shoofee on Sept 6, 2008 22:49:10 GMT -5
Infanticide  Oh you mean: You do realize that that the guy who started that rumor (Deal) was forced to resign from the RNC (committee not convention) because of his heavy handed tactics? How brainwashed are you to believe these ultra right wing smear tactics? Obama is liberal. I don't argue that he isnt , but to seriously state this sort of shit when it comes from the furthest to the right of the right, its disgusting and laughable. Only a simpleton goes to people like Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter or Michael Savage for information on their stances. Abortion on demand lol. Obama's vote on partial birth abortion, per the Congressional vote log roll: What will a guy (McCain) who voted 95% of the time with the Bush administration change? More importantly, he wont be able to change anything because the Democrats will still be in control of both houses of Congress and almost all polls and pundits agree that is not going to change this election. Its no surprise Bush didnt take out his veto power until after the Democrats took control in 2007, when he had blank checks for 7 years of his presidency with the GOP in control of Congress. Its a logjam right now with Bush able to veto things and Congress not being able to pass anything. So everything is fucked because of those 7 years, but nothing can be fixed or at least attempted to be fixed. The definition of insanity is continuing to do the same things over and over when they dont work. At the least Obama has different ideas when McCain wants to continue the Bush doctrine, if not further it. \ Obama's partial birth vote was totally insincere. He only voted that way because the general election was in six months. Where did he stand before that? And Obama's infanticide not present vote was to prove that he was the most radical member of the Illinois Senate, which he wore as a badge of honor and now hides from the light. Where do you get your political news? do the names of leftist fabilists, the NY Times, MSNBC, and the Daily Kos ring any bells inside your tinfoil hat. If I follow you definition of insanity then I would apply it to the Dems nominating three increasing liberal presidential candidates, Gore, Kerry, and Obama to bit the dust in the general election. They won with the more moderate posing Clinton, tied but lost with Gore, choked in crunch time with Kerry, and now I think will lose even worse with Obama. The Democrats are captive to their hateful, anti-American left wing, and it is truly the gravestone around their necks. Oasis39 cheers for the shocking facts about Obama. Obama is a guy who needed to be told that he belonged to a racist, Anti-American church before leaving it. If that needed to be pointed out to him then he lacks the judgment to run a hot dog stand in Chicago. Where do you get your information from? Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, or Ann Coulter? Do those ring any bells inside your head? Even Bill O'Reilly tore up the guy who was claiming Obama was "for" infanticide, the same guy who got kicked out of the RNC. Even Sarah Palin doesn't believe that when she was asked about it in the interview with Maria Bartiromo a few months ago. Gore won the popular vote, and lost the electoral college. Florida was a quagmire as everyone knows, but thats history. Kerry was a terrible candidate yet it still came down to one state. It remains to be seen how Obama will do. At any rate, we'll see in about two months where that pans out. I'm willing to bet he wins by about 20 electoral votes. If the Democrats are captive to the left, the Republicans are captive to the Christian right. So much for separation of church and state. |
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Post by Oasis39 on Sept 6, 2008 22:52:02 GMT -5
This race is going to be really close
eeeeee....this country was founded on God, so if you got a problem with it, learn to deal with it, its been that way for over 200 years
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Post by joeyfrancis on Sept 6, 2008 22:52:10 GMT -5
"At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c u n t."
- John McCain to his wife.
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Post by shoofee on Sept 6, 2008 22:56:30 GMT -5
oasis39, as much as i respect you for your service, i gotta say that you're drinking the kool aid. i don't like obama much, but whatever happened to liking and disliking candidates not because of trivialities? it doesn't matter whether or not obama was in a madrassa or if mccain's class ranking at the naval academy was fourth or so from dead last out of 800-900? IT DOESN'T MATTER. it's about the issues. nothing more, nothing less. Exactly, which is why Im voting for McCain. It seems like to many people are voting AGAINST someone rather than FOR someone You honestly believe that Republicans are voting FOR McCain? They're clearly voting AGAINST Obama and the Democrats. There's rarely been elections where this doesnt happen on both sides. How long have you been following politics? You do realize that McCain got his ass handed to him by Bush in 2000 and the majority of the party hated his guts for years ? They've come along with him now because for the past 8 years with Bush in office he has supported virtually every single bill the rest of the Republicans did (95% of the time he voted with Bush) and he pandered to them all by choosing the further to the right of a running mate that he could think of. I believe Obama can do a great job. I believe he could also do a crap job, same goes for McCain. However right now, I would like to see a new way of doing things which McCain DOES NOT offer to me. |
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Post by Oasis39 on Sept 6, 2008 22:56:41 GMT -5
"At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c u n t." - John McCain to his wife. Oh Im voting for Obama now  |
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Post by joeyfrancis on Sept 6, 2008 22:57:15 GMT -5
That wasn't an argument. I just like that quote.
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Post by Oasis39 on Sept 6, 2008 22:59:27 GMT -5
Exactly, which is why Im voting for McCain. It seems like to many people are voting AGAINST someone rather than FOR someone You honestly believe that Republicans are voting FOR McCain? They're clearly voting AGAINST Obama and the Democrats. There's rarely been elections where this doesnt happen on both sides. How long have you been following politics? You do realize that McCain got his ass handed to him by Bush in 2000 and the majority of the party hated his guts for years ? They've come along with him now because for the past 8 years with Bush in office he has supported virtually every single bill the rest of the Republicans did (95% of the time he voted with Bush) and he pandered to them all by choosing the further to the right of a running mate that he could think of. I believe Obama can do a great job. I believe he could also do a crap job, same goes for McCain. However right now, I would like to see a new way of doing things which McCain DOES NOT offer to me. He got killed by his own party in 2000 for not being "conservative" enough. Hes far more moderate than Obama. Obama is to the extreme left, McCain is not extreme right. Obama is going to divide this country more than it already is being so left. |
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Post by shoofee on Sept 6, 2008 22:59:39 GMT -5
This race is going to be really close eeeeee....this country was founded on God, so if you got a problem with it, learn to deal with it, its been that way for over 200 years This country was founded on the principles of democracy. There is an amendment to the constitution separating the church and the state, meaning the government is SECULAR. I have no problem with religion. However, it should not be brought into the fray when governing when not everyone prescribes to the same system of religious beliefs. |
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Post by Oasis39 on Sept 6, 2008 23:00:00 GMT -5
That wasn't an argument. I just like that quote. From 1992 |
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Post by Oasis39 on Sept 6, 2008 23:01:51 GMT -5
In God We Trust is printed on our money, One Nation UNDER GOD is in our plegde, we are a nation founded by Christians. Obama's cult like following is made up by large numbers of Atheists
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Post by joeyfrancis on Sept 6, 2008 23:04:09 GMT -5
That wasn't an argument. I just like that quote. From 1992 I know. Congrats on 500 posts. |
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Post by Oasis39 on Sept 6, 2008 23:07:09 GMT -5
I know. Congrats on 500 posts. I like your style, plus 1 for lightening up the mood |
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Post by joeyfrancis on Sept 6, 2008 23:09:32 GMT -5
I don't agree with you at all, but this will put you in the right direction.
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Post by shoofee on Sept 6, 2008 23:13:06 GMT -5
In God We Trust is printed on our money, One Nation UNDER GOD is in our plegde, we are a nation founded by Christians. Obama's cult like following is made up by large numbers of Atheists For fucks sake man, have you ever taken a class in American Government? You can still believe in God without having it affect the policies that govern the people. "God" on our money and the pledge does not mean the Judeo-Christian God alone either. God is a concept used in every major religion. Muslims refer to Mohammed as God. Jews worship the same God Christians do, but Christians hold Jesus Christ in a much higher reverence. Hindus believe in a God. Buddhists believe in a God, but they're not all the same "Christian" God. "In God we trust" and "One nation under God" means that conceptually, God is a great thing. It stands for good and is a driving principle. It does NOT refer to one single God, regardless if the majority of people are Christians or another religion. It encompasses all Gods from every religion. As God, even in Islam, is conceptually good. It does not however, mean that one singular faith should have an effect on policy. There are other religions represented in this country that all should be taken into account when determining POLICY. Christianity is not the only religion. Our constitution is a secular document and secular does not mean atheist. Christianity is not the official religion of the United States. Islam is the official religion of Saudi Arabia and Iran. The US does not have an official religion. Do you not understand why Jefferson wanted the church to be seperate from the state? Religion should be a private matter. Everyone should be able to believe what they want, but one groups beliefs have no business in determining policy for an entire people who all believe different things, which is EXACTLY what the Christian conservatives want to have an effect on. All those quotes - Thomas Jefferson |
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Post by Oasis39 on Sept 6, 2008 23:17:47 GMT -5
I don't agree with you at all, but this will put you in the right direction. ?? what will |
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Post by joeyfrancis on Sept 6, 2008 23:26:22 GMT -5
+1 Karma
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Post by sonicidler on Sept 6, 2008 23:54:46 GMT -5
\ Obama's partial birth vote was totally insincere. He only voted that way because the general election was in six months. Where did he stand before that? And Obama's infanticide not present vote was to prove that he was the most radical member of the Illinois Senate, which he wore as a badge of honor and now hides from the light. Where do you get your political news? do the names of leftist fabilists, the NY Times, MSNBC, and the Daily Kos ring any bells inside your tinfoil hat. If I follow you definition of insanity then I would apply it to the Dems nominating three increasing liberal presidential candidates, Gore, Kerry, and Obama to bit the dust in the general election. They won with the more moderate posing Clinton, tied but lost with Gore, choked in crunch time with Kerry, and now I think will lose even worse with Obama. The Democrats are captive to their hateful, anti-American left wing, and it is truly the gravestone around their necks. Oasis39 cheers for the shocking facts about Obama. Obama is a guy who needed to be told that he belonged to a racist, Anti-American church before leaving it. If that needed to be pointed out to him then he lacks the judgment to run a hot dog stand in Chicago. Where do you get your information from? Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, or Ann Coulter? Do those ring any bells inside your head? Even Bill O'Reilly tore up the guy who was claiming Obama was "for" infanticide, the same guy who got kicked out of the RNC. Even Sarah Palin doesn't believe that when she was asked about it in the interview with Maria Bartiromo a few months ago. Gore won the popular vote, and lost the electoral college. Florida was a quagmire as everyone knows, but thats history. Kerry was a terrible candidate yet it still came down to one state. It remains to be seen how Obama will do. At any rate, we'll see in about two months where that pans out. I'm willing to bet he wins by about 20 electoral votes. If the Democrats are captive to the left, the Republicans are captive to the Christian right. So much for separation of church and state. If you want to know then Thomas Sowell and Mark Steyn are my favorite conservative commentators. Michael Savage is not a serious conservative figure- he's a shock jock. And Ann Coulter is a tv and columnist shock jock. As for Limbaugh, well he is pretty great actually. he has damaged the Democratic party more than anyone else in the country over the last decade or so, and he's done it with humor, and devastating logic. And the point is that Obama is a any place, any time, any reason, any age, any procedure- abortion zealot. |
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Post by nyr401994 on Sept 7, 2008 12:28:02 GMT -5
In God We Trust is printed on our money, One Nation UNDER GOD is in our plegde, we are a nation founded by Christians. Obama's cult like following is made up by large numbers of Atheists what does atheism have to do with anything? just because they don't believe in a god doesn't make them any worse of a person. This race is going to be really close eeeeee....this country was founded on God, so if you got a problem with it, learn to deal with it, its been that way for over 200 years this country was not founded on god. it was founded on freedom from tyranny (sorry, brits!), including religious freedom. read the constitution and the declaration of independence. never does it mention christianity or jesus christ. president washington’s administration even negotiated a treaty (as he did with many nations) with the muslim rulers of north africa that stated explicitly that the u.s.a. was not founded on christianity. the pact, known as the treaty of tripoli, was approved unanimously by the senate in 1797, under the administration of john adams. this is article 11 of the treaty: "Art. 11. as the government of the united states of america is not, in any sense, founded on the christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of mussulmen; (nyr: also known as muslims) and, as the said states never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries." oh, and the pledge of allegiance, all the way up to 1954, read, "i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." the "under god" part was put in to remove ourselves from the "godless" commies during the cold war. the link below is proof. (it's a film from 1949, and that ain't a hitler salute, by the way. they changed that salute soon after wwii.) |
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Post by oasisfan101 on Sept 8, 2008 12:12:41 GMT -5
This race is going to be really close eeeeee....this country was founded on God, so if you got a problem with it, learn to deal with it, its been that way for over 200 years Our country was founded on the ability to practice whichever religion we choose, AKA FREEDOM OF RELIGION.....not freedom to believe in God or Freedom to practice Christianity. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2008 15:50:12 GMT -5
richard dawkins for president  |
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Post by MEANSTREAK on Sept 8, 2008 17:21:58 GMT -5
Muslims refer to Mohammed as God no they don't. Allah is God, Muhammed was the prophet. sounds silly enough to a non-believer but in some places of the world you could be beheaded for saying that. |
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Post by MEANSTREAK on Sept 8, 2008 17:23:24 GMT -5
Oh ya, the latest Gallup poll that came out today showed McCain leading Obama 50% to 46% with +/- 3%
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Post by TheEXPERIENCE on Sept 8, 2008 17:57:26 GMT -5
Oh ya, the latest Gallup poll that came out today showed McCain leading Obama 50% to 46% with +/- 3%   |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 8, 2008 20:25:47 GMT -5
I'd rather have the VP be inexperienced than the President, so the Obama camp loses this one. Plus he's way too liberal, and he's also shown his poor judgement several times since the PRIMARIES. He's condescending, so fake, filled with empty rhetoric. I garuntee you that if he didn't speak that well he wouldn't even stand a chance. I feel sorry for the people who are caught up in his propaganda, it makes me sick.
In times of war when foreign policy matter a great deal - Iraq, Iran, Afgahnistan, Terrorism, add Russia to the list now, etc - along with being able to deal with a crisis (like another 9/11), you're foolish to pick someone like Obama.
Obama has been constantly wrong about Iraq, changing his opinion several times, McCain has been consistently right. Obama has said he'll bomb our allies, but sit down unconditionally with our enemies. Obama claims to be the candidate of change, but in recent months he's shown that he's just a regular politician. Obama's judgment with the Rev Wright saga was appalling, and is significant because his whole campaign is run on "judgment is more important than experience", well well-done Obama.....
Also, he wants to raise taxes. From my American Foreign Policy Since WWII history class - Professor: "Hoover raised taxes, and it helped cause the great depression *chuckle*....I laugh because we have a candidate who wants to do the same thing today! When the economy is heading into a recession you don't raise taxes! We tried that and it failed. You don't take money out in this situation, you put money back in!"
And I strongly feel that McCain will win in November. Sadly, some of that will be down to racism - there are some people lying in the polls voting for Obama as to appear not to be racist, but when it comes to the privacy of the voting booth they will late race influence their decision - although it's also racist for the African American community to vote for Obama only because of his skin color, so swings and round-a-bouts, eh?
The fact that McCain is so close in the polls - ahead now due to his convention bounce - really says something about Obama. McCain's campaign hasn't been run the best, and this is a bad election year for the GOP thanks to Bush's 8 years.
But people are now tired of Obama, and the more he elaborately speaks, the more people see through him. Plus, I think a lot of people will realize he's too much of a risk with such important affairs. I'm sick of all this JFK comparison, Obama could easily be a carbon copy of Carter, an inexperienced epic failing mess!
So even if people don't like McCain, he is the more bi-partisan of the two, he's experienced, he's demonstrated countless times he knows what he's doing, and I think all that is more important than some flashy, presumptuous, and arrogant candidate.
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