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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2008 12:59:18 GMT -5
actually i read a fair amount especially as i currently don't have a job  lets face it being the most liberal senator doesn't take much |
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Post by Oasis39 on Sept 4, 2008 13:08:47 GMT -5
My point is......Republicans and Democrats right now are bickering enough, Washington IS broken.....So how is electing the most liberal person you can gonna help? John McCain is not hardcore conservative. He has been known for, in his own party, for crossing party lines. We need someone who is "more in the middle". And McCain is that guy
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Post by noelsprincess on Sept 4, 2008 16:10:17 GMT -5
If you vote for McCain, you do know Abortions will still be legal. Even though McCain is not for abortion, Hillary supports are coming McCain's way, and they know that there are to many Dems who support Abortion that have power so you wont see the day where Abortions are illegal. So really that, thats not a big issue if you ask me I was a Hillary supporter and there's not a snowball's chance in hell that I would *ever* consider voting for McCain/Palin. Fundamentally I don't agree with them on a single issue. I am pro-choice, I am anti-NRA, I believe global warming actually exists, I believe schools should offer sexual education classes, I believe in same sex marriages etc etc etc... Just because Palin is a woman doesn't mean Hillary's supporters are all of a sudden going to vote Republican. And as for Palin having more experience running a government than Obama... cmon. She was mayor of a city that has approx. 7,000 residents and governor of state that has less than 700,000 residents! And she's only been governor for a little more than year. This is a very interesting article written by someone who has known Palin for quite a long time. It's from 8/31, if anyone is interested. www.washingtonindependent.com/3671/...eform-candidate |
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Post by Oasis39 on Sept 4, 2008 16:48:56 GMT -5
If you vote for McCain, you do know Abortions will still be legal. Even though McCain is not for abortion, Hillary supports are coming McCain's way, and they know that there are to many Dems who support Abortion that have power so you wont see the day where Abortions are illegal. So really that, thats not a big issue if you ask me I was a Hillary supporter and there's not a snowball's chance in hell that I would *ever* consider voting for McCain/Palin. Fundamentally I don't agree with them on a single issue. I am pro-choice, I am anti-NRA, I believe global warming actually exists, I believe schools should offer sexual education classes, I believe in same sex marriages etc etc etc... Just because Palin is a woman doesn't mean Hillary's supporters are all of a sudden going to vote Republican. And as for Palin having more experience running a government than Obama... cmon. She was mayor of a city that has approx. 7,000 residents and governor of state that has less than 700,000 residents! And she's only been governor for a little more than year. This is a very interesting article written by someone who has known Palin for quite a long time. It's from 8/31, if anyone is interested. www.washingtonindependent.com/3671/...eform-candidateIts not a good Idea to call out Palin on being "inexpierenced" when she has more than Obama. Now your just painting yourself into a corner |
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Post by GasPanic on Sept 4, 2008 17:31:06 GMT -5
I think Palin was a horrible choice for a running mate. I think that a vice president should be ready to be president at all times, in case something were to happen to the president. I believe Biden has that down no problem, with having more experiance than Obama. McCain seems like he picked Palin due soley to the fact that she looked like a picture perfect middle class american woman. Having a family, being a "hockey mom," and working her way up to govener.
But I don't really follow it that much, and I'm under 18, so my opinion is worthless.
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Post by Oasis39 on Sept 4, 2008 18:41:08 GMT -5
gas panic...you do realize that Palin has more expierence than Obama. So if you dont think Sarah is ready, whats that make Obama??
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Post by queenoasis on Sept 4, 2008 18:48:32 GMT -5
I think Palin was a horrible choice for a running mate. I think that a vice president should be ready to be president at all times, in case something were to happen to the president. I believe Biden has that down no problem, with having more experiance than Obama. McCain seems like he picked Palin due soley to the fact that she looked like a picture perfect middle class american woman. Having a family, being a "hockey mom," and working her way up to govener. But I don't really follow it that much, and I'm under 18, so my opinion is worthless. Let's face it, BOTH Obama & McCain picked their respective running mates to expand their appeal. Obama picked an "insider" & old-timer Biden to compensate for HIS lack of experience. McCain picked Sarah to swoop up a lot of the would-be Hilary voters and I believe, to appeal more to the female voters. Palin's not a bad choice in my opinion...She's exciting, fresh and has managed to become a governor despite her age & gender. I dont think Alaskans voted for her just because she's "hot"...An entire state cant be THAT stupid. The mass appeal is definitely there and she proved she's not McCain's docile running mate judging by her RNC speech last night. Can't wait for the Biden vs Palin debate! |
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Post by Oasis39 on Sept 4, 2008 19:33:42 GMT -5
Palin is one of the most popular Governors in all of America. She has an 80% approval rating! Thats almost unheard of!
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Post by GasPanic on Sept 4, 2008 19:46:40 GMT -5
gas panic...you do realize that Palin has more experience than Obama. So if you don't think Sarah is ready, whats that make Obama?? Like I said, I don't follow this much, when I see an article that looks interesting, I read it. But one could argue that it doesn't matter about who has the most experience, as long as the candidate is right for the job and can get it done. BUT that would make both arguments void. I hate politics.  |
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Post by queenoasis on Sept 4, 2008 20:12:09 GMT -5
Palin is one of the most popular Governors in all of America. She has an 80% approval rating! Thats almost unheard of! Amen man. You can't get that far with just looks alone. She's clearly smart and a political bulldog. I wouldnt be surprised if she runs for president in the future (if all goes well that is!). |
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Post by shoofee on Sept 4, 2008 23:41:17 GMT -5
Palin is one of the most popular Governors in all of America. She has an 80% approval rating! Thats almost unheard of! She has an 80% approval rating in a state that is consistently and almost always voting Republican and population wise is a smaller constituency than the borough of Brooklyn. You're an absolute fool to say that Hillary supporters are going to come in droves to McCain because he chose Palin. Palin does nothing more than fire up the base, people who were never going to vote for Obama anyway. Palin opposes virtually every issue that Hillary supporters do. Sure, there will be a few women who cross the aisle that supported Hillary, but they will be few and far between. The choice of Palin has not only invigorated the right wing, but her speech last night drove $10 million right into Obama's pocket today which is a one day record for campaign fund raising. Palin is most definitely a good politician and I respect her few accomplishments, but her views on the issues are so far to the right of most people its almost funny. I would vote for Chelsea Clinton before I'd even consider voting for McCain. He's a "maverick", my left nut. A maverick would've picked Lieberman like he wanted to. A maverick would not vote lockstep with the Bush administration 90% of the time. He chose Sarah Palin simply as political pander. To be fair, in that regard it was absolutely brilliant, but just like in 1964, pandering to the extreme right does not work. |
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Post by shoofee on Sept 4, 2008 23:46:50 GMT -5
My point is......Republicans and Democrats right now are bickering enough, Washington IS broken.....So how is electing the most liberal person you can gonna help? John McCain is not hardcore conservative. He has been known for, in his own party, for crossing party lines. We need someone who is "more in the middle". And McCain is that guy Yet he has flown completely in the face of that by choosing one of, if not the, furthest to the right of all running mates possible. He's shown himself to be nothing more than another politician that will do anything, including sacrificing his own views and stances on certain issues, to win. Washington is broken because the men running it for 8 years have driven it into the ground. You want to blame Congress? The Democrats have only held the house and senate since January 2007, Bush had 7 years of blank checks to do whatever he wanted. |
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Post by nyr401994 on Sept 5, 2008 1:40:13 GMT -5
the national journal said the same exact thing about john kerry in 2004. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2008 4:23:02 GMT -5
Amen man. You can't get that far with just looks alone. shes ugly so of course you can't get that far on being just ugly |
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Post by sonicidler on Sept 5, 2008 9:04:20 GMT -5
Compared to a lot of the female politicians this country has, Palin is a babe.
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Post by sonicidler on Sept 5, 2008 9:08:29 GMT -5
Palin is one of the most popular Governors in all of America. She has an 80% approval rating! Thats almost unheard of! She has an 80% approval rating in a state that is consistently and almost always voting Republican and population wise is a smaller constituency than the borough of Brooklyn. You're an absolute fool to say that Hillary supporters are going to come in droves to McCain because he chose Palin. Palin does nothing more than fire up the base, people who were never going to vote for Obama anyway. Palin opposes virtually every issue that Hillary supporters do. Sure, there will be a few women who cross the aisle that supported Hillary, but they will be few and far between. The choice of Palin has not only invigorated the right wing, but her speech last night drove $10 million right into Obama's pocket today which is a one day record for campaign fund raising. Palin is most definitely a good politician and I respect her few accomplishments, but her views on the issues are so far to the right of most people its almost funny. I would vote for Chelsea Clinton before I'd even consider voting for McCain. He's a "maverick", my left nut. A maverick would've picked Lieberman like he wanted to. A maverick would not vote lockstep with the Bush administration 90% of the time. He chose Sarah Palin simply as political pander. To be fair, in that regard it was absolutely brilliant, but just like in 1964, pandering to the extreme right does not work. Lieberman is a boring old softee. McCain needed someone who had dual appeal: mother-like for female voters but aggressive enough for male Republican voters. |
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Post by KPZK the Most Supreme...Thingy on Sept 5, 2008 10:03:43 GMT -5
gas panic...you do realize that Palin has more experience than Obama. So if you don't think Sarah is ready, whats that make Obama?? Like I said, I don't follow this much, when I see an article that looks interesting, I read it. But one could argue that it doesn't matter about who has the most experience, as long as the candidate is right for the job and can get it done. BUT that would make both arguments void. I hate politics. That makes two of us. |
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Post by shoofee on Sept 5, 2008 11:21:12 GMT -5
She has an 80% approval rating in a state that is consistently and almost always voting Republican and population wise is a smaller constituency than the borough of Brooklyn. You're an absolute fool to say that Hillary supporters are going to come in droves to McCain because he chose Palin. Palin does nothing more than fire up the base, people who were never going to vote for Obama anyway. Palin opposes virtually every issue that Hillary supporters do. Sure, there will be a few women who cross the aisle that supported Hillary, but they will be few and far between. The choice of Palin has not only invigorated the right wing, but her speech last night drove $10 million right into Obama's pocket today which is a one day record for campaign fund raising. Palin is most definitely a good politician and I respect her few accomplishments, but her views on the issues are so far to the right of most people its almost funny. I would vote for Chelsea Clinton before I'd even consider voting for McCain. He's a "maverick", my left nut. A maverick would've picked Lieberman like he wanted to. A maverick would not vote lockstep with the Bush administration 90% of the time. He chose Sarah Palin simply as political pander. To be fair, in that regard it was absolutely brilliant, but just like in 1964, pandering to the extreme right does not work. Lieberman is a boring old softee. McCain needed someone who had dual appeal: mother-like for female voters but aggressive enough for male Republican voters. You dont get it. He didnt need male Republican voters. The right wing would not vote for Obama if he was the second coming of christ. He chose Palin simply to ensure that the base comes out for him. He needs to appeal to independents and swing voters that decide elections. Same as a liberal would never vote for McCain. Sarah Palin is a divisive candidate. She's further to the right than even Bush. I really wish GOP backers would stop painting women voters with a broad brush that all mothers are going to flock to McCain because he chose Palin. She is polar opposite to every single issue Hillary Clinton stood for in regards to women and outside of Republican women, he's going to have a really hard time getting any of those women to vote for him. |
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Post by noelsprincess on Sept 5, 2008 11:38:15 GMT -5
Lieberman is a boring old softee. McCain needed someone who had dual appeal: mother-like for female voters but aggressive enough for male Republican voters. You dont get it. He didnt need male Republican voters. The right wing would not vote for Obama if he was the second coming of christ. He chose Palin simply to ensure that the base comes out for him. He needs to appeal to independents and swing voters that decide elections. Same as a liberal would never vote for McCain. Sarah Palin is a divisive candidate. She's further to the right than even Bush. I really wish GOP backers would stop painting women voters with a broad brush that all mothers are going to flock to McCain because he chose Palin. She is polar opposite to every single issue Hillary Clinton stood for in regards to women and outside of Republican women, he's going to have a really hard time getting any of those women to vote for him. It shows no respect to female Hillary supporters at all. Oh here, another woman, vote for us!! BS... when we don't agree on any single issue how can we flock to McCain? There isn't one thing I see myself even remotely agreeing with them on!! Drop the hockey mom crap because it's just a pathetic attempt to make people think that she's not a pitbull. |
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Post by sonicidler on Sept 5, 2008 11:58:29 GMT -5
This can go on and on without any common ground because lets face it, Republicans and Democrats will always disagree on everything. Dems are blinded by the fact that Obama doesnt really have a lot of experience being a leader while Republicans dont really care that Palin has had no foreign policy experience. The problem here is that Palin isnt running for president so her lack of experience cant hurt us as much if Obama actually wins. We all know VP's are just figure heads who dont really do anything.
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Post by sonicidler on Sept 5, 2008 12:02:47 GMT -5
You dont get it. He didnt need male Republican voters. The right wing would not vote for Obama if he was the second coming of christ. He chose Palin simply to ensure that the base comes out for him. He needs to appeal to independents and swing voters that decide elections. Same as a liberal would never vote for McCain. Sarah Palin is a divisive candidate. She's further to the right than even Bush. I really wish GOP backers would stop painting women voters with a broad brush that all mothers are going to flock to McCain because he chose Palin. She is polar opposite to every single issue Hillary Clinton stood for in regards to women and outside of Republican women, he's going to have a really hard time getting any of those women to vote for him. Thats the problem right there: voters are treating Obama like he's the second coming of christ. Lord help us if this guy actually wins. He'll need Biden to walk him through everything. |
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Post by noelsprincess on Sept 5, 2008 12:38:10 GMT -5
This can go on and on without any common ground because lets face it, Republicans and Democrats will always disagree on everything. Dems are blinded by the fact that Obama doesnt really have a lot of experience being a leader while Republicans dont really care that Palin has had no foreign policy experience. The problem here is that Palin isnt running for president so her lack of experience cant hurt us as much if Obama actually wins. We all know VP's are just figure heads who dont really do anything. She would be a heart attack away from the Presidency... and with McCain's age that's not so inconceivable. Then what?? And last I checked you voted for the whole ticket, not just the President, so the argument that the VP is just a figurehead is pretty poor. You need to consider both candidates imo. |
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Post by KPZK the Most Supreme...Thingy on Sept 5, 2008 15:27:54 GMT -5
This can go on and on without any common ground because lets face it, Republicans and Democrats will always disagree on everything. Dems are blinded by the fact that Obama doesnt really have a lot of experience being a leader while Republicans dont really care that Palin has had no foreign policy experience. The problem here is that Palin isnt running for president so her lack of experience cant hurt us as much if Obama actually wins. We all know VP's are just figure heads who dont really do anything. She would be a heart attack away from the Presidency... and with McCain's age that's not so inconceivable. Then what?? And last I checked you voted for the whole ticket, not just the President, so the argument that the VP is just a figurehead is pretty poor. You need to consider both candidates imo. And no one can say Cheney is a figurehead. |
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Post by Oasis39 on Sept 5, 2008 16:23:49 GMT -5
I love how eeee trys to speak for ALL Hillary Supporters. If you watched the RNC, you would have seen alot of Clinton supporters are voting for McCain. If you want a big government, vote for Obama and his FACIST ways. If you want LESS GOVERNMENT in your lives, vote McCain.
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Post by TheEXPERIENCE on Sept 5, 2008 16:41:59 GMT -5
My view is really simple...maybe not "politically correct" but I couldn't care less. With gas prices like they are, and with the economy in such horrible shape, the last thing I need is to give more of my paycheck to some deadbeat on welfare so they can continue to live like lazy fucks and not get a job. With the country in the state it's in right now, I don't need a president who's more concerned with jacking up taxes sky high so he can take care of "his" inner-city people, than he is with the total well being of our country.
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