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Post by Moorish on Jan 29, 2009 5:43:27 GMT -5
We were proper shit last night, didn't seem we even deserved the point. However, if you want to talk about a "crisis of epic proportions" look further down the table. If you're one of the 12 teams fighting the drop then *that*is an epic crisis. I'm not excusing Wenger, he has made some bad calls, especially this season, and our continued refusal to strengthen the side is not good. But sacking him would only land us deeper in the shit, and if you thought it through beyond your knee-jerk reaction to every bad/dodgy result you would see that.
Mind you, we've all come to expect nothing less than knee-jerk reactions with no rational thought behind them from your good self.
I've said it to you before: WHO WOULD YOU HIRE IN HIS PLACE?
You never have an answer. It's always just "sack Wenger".
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Post by Micky on Jan 29, 2009 8:42:21 GMT -5
Can't see anyone taking Wenger's place but what I can understand is why the fuck he's buying in Arshavin not only a player who is unproven in the premiership (and spending probably all the transfer money) but a player who's position is of that which we don't need, granted we have a lot of injury's but we're crying out for a defensive midfielder, we lost Gilberto and Flamini who was just starting to come good and never replaced them. The way Aston Villa are playing at the moment I think we're in serious danger of not even making the top 4 which will see the end of not only what talent we've got left but the ability to attract any of the top players without Champions League football. Not that we ever seem to buy any top players  but in all seriousness I think Wenger needs to buck his idea's up before it's too late. |
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Post by Moorish on Jan 29, 2009 9:28:27 GMT -5
Can't see anyone taking Wenger's place but what I can understand is why the fuck he's buying in Arshavin not only a player who is unproven in the premiership (and spending probably all the transfer money) but a player who's position is of that which we don't need, granted we have a lot of injury's but we're crying out for a defensive midfielder, we lost Gilberto and Flamini who was just starting to come good and never replaced them. The way Aston Villa are playing at the moment I think we're in serious danger of not even making the top 4 which will see the end of not only what talent we've got left but the ability to attract any of the top players without Champions League football. Not that we ever seem to buy any top players but in all seriousness I think Wenger needs to buck his idea's up before it's too late. Agree with this, I think we could easily finish outside the top four this season, and Arsene would deservedly take all the blame. The thing is even if Villa drop points we are going to as well, the performances are poor at the moment (despite us somehow being unbeaten for 9 games or whatever it is). If that happens he will pretty much be forced to change his strategy; the patience of fans is wearing thin and that would see it snap (though only as far as demanding some reinforcements be bought, NOT as far as forcing Wenger out the door completely, as NL4E would advocate). The big issue will be the £20m or so non CL football costs us, purely in terms of loan repayments, 'cause let's be honest Arsene would find a way to not blow it on players. Of course, it doesn't follow necessarily that a non CL season will ruin a club - look at Liverpool. |
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Post by Micky on Jan 29, 2009 10:01:25 GMT -5
Can't see anyone taking Wenger's place but what I can understand is why the fuck he's buying in Arshavin not only a player who is unproven in the premiership (and spending probably all the transfer money) but a player who's position is of that which we don't need, granted we have a lot of injury's but we're crying out for a defensive midfielder, we lost Gilberto and Flamini who was just starting to come good and never replaced them. The way Aston Villa are playing at the moment I think we're in serious danger of not even making the top 4 which will see the end of not only what talent we've got left but the ability to attract any of the top players without Champions League football. Not that we ever seem to buy any top players but in all seriousness I think Wenger needs to buck his idea's up before it's too late. Agree with this, I think we could easily finish outside the top four this season, and Arsene would deservedly take all the blame. The thing is even if Villa drop points we are going to as well, the performances are poor at the moment (despite us somehow being unbeaten for 9 games or whatever it is). If that happens he will pretty much be forced to change his strategy; the patience of fans is wearing thin and that would see it snap (though only as far as demanding some reinforcements be bought, NOT as far as forcing Wenger out the door completely, as NL4E would advocate). The big issue will be the £20m or so non CL football costs us, purely in terms of loan repayments, 'cause let's be honest Arsene would find a way to not blow it on players. Of course, it doesn't follow necessarily that a non CL season will ruin a club - look at Liverpool. Can't see anyone taking Wenger's place but what I can understand is why the fuck he's buying in Arshavin Just to clarify I meant can't just realised the error but anyway Villa are looking strong at the moment and they've already strengthened their squad and also have one or two good players players to come back like Carew but I'm hoping they have a slip up at some point and if you've seen we play Liverpool, Chelsea and Man U in the three out of our last five games so we're gonna be up against it. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 29, 2009 12:18:11 GMT -5
I've said it to you before: WHO WOULD YOU HIRE IN HIS PLACE? You never have an answer. It's always just "sack Wenger". I don't answer because it's a shockingly bad argument to make. Why? Because I don't know all the manager in the world, it's not my job to find the replacement. Wenger was unknown when he came to England in 1996, so who knows what other amazing managers are out there. But I'm pretty sure the board would be able to get in a good manager of some sorts should Wenger ever depart. It's also a bad argument because it shows how shortsighted you are, something that's been the problem with liberals, too. By keeping Wenger in, your preserving the status quo which seems to be failing. So in the short term we're guaranteed of being a decent top table team, but we need to replace Wenger if we want to have any chance of real success in the long term - that is, of course, if Wenger doesn't fix the problems. Basically, I'm giving Wenger 1 more season. Sort it out, or get out. |
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Post by Moorish on Jan 30, 2009 5:50:24 GMT -5
You bellend, you moan about preserving the status quo as a liberal failing whilst simultaneously on the other board slating Obama for every decision he makes that changes the status quo away from the hideous failures of your beloved GWB era. And you call other people "shortsighted"! Make your mind up, fuckhead.
IN ANY CASE, to go back to football, how good of you to "give" Wenger one more season! It's not a "shockingly bad" argument, it's an open invitation to you to step away from your bullshit and make some *constructive* criticism. Which you'd rather not do.
The simple fact of it is that losing Wenger in a sacking scenario (as oposed to him retiring, Fergie like) would pretty much undermine the club because it has been rebiult entirely in his image and according to his plans. If he went Cesc would be gone in a heartbeat. And there are no other managers out there who could come in and keep the team going, it would have to be another ground-up reinvention.
Say something constructive other than just "sack Wenger", you've been offered plenty of opportunities to do so. Or fuck off and support Spurs, they're more your sort of team.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 30, 2009 18:22:58 GMT -5
You bellend, you moan about preserving the status quo as a liberal failing whilst simultaneously on the other board slating Obama for every decision he makes that changes the status quo away from the hideous failures of your beloved GWB era. And you call other people "shortsighted"! Make your mind up, fuckhead. IN ANY CASE, to go back to football, how good of you to "give" Wenger one more season! It's not a "shockingly bad" argument, it's an open invitation to you to step away from your bullshit and make some *constructive* criticism. Which you'd rather not do. The simple fact of it is that losing Wenger in a sacking scenario (as oposed to him retiring, Fergie like) would pretty much undermine the club because it has been rebiult entirely in his image and according to his plans. If he went Cesc would be gone in a heartbeat. And there are no other managers out there who could come in and keep the team going, it would have to be another ground-up reinvention. Say something constructive other than just "sack Wenger", you've been offered plenty of opportunities to do so. Or fuck off and support Spurs, they're more your sort of team. Again, another false argument. When Mourinho left, the media circus predicted that Drogs, Lampard, JT would all follow. Which hasn't happened. Cesc will leave within 2 seasons even if Wenger is still the manager if we keep playing this poorly. And rightfully so. A player of Cesc's ability deserves better than the ineptitude of Diaby and the pure shitness of Bendtner. The board will have a manager lined up should they sack him. Wenger is a god, and would be very hard to replace. But that's not to say it would be impossible. And it's irrelevant anyway, because even Rafa is currently doing better than Arsene! If we're talking about 1997-2005, then yes it would be hard to find a replacement. But from 2005-present it would be much easier simply cause he's failed. I love Arsene, I really really do. I don't want to see him sacked or resign for any reason. But if he refuses to fix everything he destroyed, then he has to go. We're going to be 4 seasons without a trophy soon. How long is too long? If Wenger stays with us for another 3 years, and doesn't win a trophy, thus making it 7 years without one, would you still be supporting him based on his success in 1997? |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 30, 2009 18:24:52 GMT -5
Oh and I have said many things constructive, if you payed attention. I've talked about how we need experience players, I've talked about how his youth policy has failed, I talked about the specific positions we need, etc etc
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Post by Moorish on Feb 3, 2009 7:15:19 GMT -5
I love Arsene, I really really do. I don't want to see him sacked or resign for any reason. But if he refuses to fix everything he destroyed, then he has to go. We're going to be 4 seasons without a trophy soon. How long is too long? If Wenger stays with us for another 3 years, and doesn't win a trophy, thus making it 7 years without one, would you still be supporting him based on his success in 1997? There is a nugget of rationality in there, so well done (though I think that "destroyed" is an OTT term). If you remember, when you've made rational comments before I have given you kudos for them, but your knee-jerk "sack everyone" bullshit fully deserves the short shrift it gets. 7 years without a trophy isn't unheard of in the history of Arsenal, but I suspect if we went that far then even Arsene would be gone. I think what people want to see is us trying to fight our way out of our current malaise. A statement of intent signing like Arshavin is a good indicator for that. However at the moment I'm still waiting to see if we can even *sign* a decent player, what with all the Arshavin bullshit and the transfer window. Hopefully we got him. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 28, 2009 13:42:33 GMT -5
WHY CANT WE FUCKING SCORE?
Another 0-0 in the league. Another draw.
We even deserved 2+ goals in Roma but didn't get that and had to rely on a penalty! What the hell is going on?
I'll say it again: Wenger has 1 more season to fix the problems HE'S caused. If he doesn't and/or he persists with his failing youth policy, he will need to be shown the door (sadly).
I'm now convinced we will finish 5th and wont even qualify for the CL (unless we win it some how, which is so unlikely bc WE CANT FUCKING SCORE), and even 6th is a real possibility.
Wenger has destroyed Arsenal after making it successful. It's so frustrating. It really is clear that Wenger has been the problem since 2005.
Note: DROP/SELL BENDTNER, DIABY, SONG, DENILSON, EBOUE for fucks sake
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Post by Moorish on Mar 2, 2009 5:32:11 GMT -5
I was at the game, we were poor indeed. The problem is one of effort, for me. The players seem to be really "up" for Cup games and the big occasions (Man Ure, etc) but the bread and butter league games not so much. A kick in the arse is what's needed, frankly.
The central midfield is what's letting the side down. With Cesc out our central midfield is bare. We've got Denilson (not a bad player, but he can't carry a midfield at his age), Diaby (the odd good performance surrounded by loads of lazy ones and/or periods of injury) and Song (the definition of average). That has been Wenger's big mistake this season - not replacing 3 departing midfielders.
I'm not going to get into the whole Wenger Out thing with you, it's pointless. But I think the idea of gutting the whole team, while it seems nice now in this frustrating period, ain't gonna work because, bottom line, we can't afford it.
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Post by supersonic1983 on Mar 2, 2009 7:58:03 GMT -5
Having no centre forwards doesn't exactly help either.
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Post by Micky on Mar 2, 2009 12:59:14 GMT -5
Bottom line, we're shit. Man. Utd too good.
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Post by supersonic1983 on Mar 8, 2009 9:11:33 GMT -5
Just watching the cup game now and I tell you, if one good thing's come out of this season for Arsenal, it's Carlos Vela. He looks a fantastic prospect.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 8, 2009 13:09:34 GMT -5
Eduardo whoaoa Eduardo whaoao
Tayler broke his leg, but he's back scoring with his peg
Eduardo whoaoa
Like my song?
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Post by supersonic1983 on Mar 8, 2009 13:59:00 GMT -5
Don't give up the day job. Whatever that is. |
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Post by Moorish on Mar 9, 2009 5:56:25 GMT -5
Eduardo whoaoa Eduardo whaoao Tayler broke his leg, but he's back scoring with his pegEduardo whoaoa Like my song? Doesn't scan at all. Rethink. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 11, 2009 18:09:00 GMT -5
Utter shit vs. Roma. Where was the passion? The drive? The quality? The movement? The ANYTHING?
Bendtner, regardless of his 11 or 12 goals, needs to be shipped out ASAP.
I was shitting myself when Denilson stepped up to take the 5th penalty, but he converted. All the penalties from us were shit, bar Sagna - Mr. Cool right there
Important thing is that we're through, though.
Oh Arsene Wenger's magic
He wears a magic hat
And when he saw the Champions League
He said "I'm having that!"
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Post by supersonic1983 on Mar 11, 2009 18:45:09 GMT -5
Oh Arsene Wenger's magic He wears a magic hat And when he saw the Champions League He said "I'm having that!" If at first you don't succeed, give up. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 11, 2009 22:31:39 GMT -5
Oh Arsene Wenger's magic He wears a magic hat And when he saw the Champions League He said "I'm having that!" If at first you don't succeed, give up. That's an actual, official, chant, yer numpty [Just change the competition name accordingly] |
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Post by supersonic1983 on Mar 12, 2009 8:47:44 GMT -5
That's an actual, official, chant, yer numpty Really?! Wow.  |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 15, 2009 14:28:28 GMT -5
Arshavin, what a goal!
He reminds me a lot of Dennis Bergkamp - has the same footballing brain, and is a fantastic passer.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Mar 15, 2009 18:24:07 GMT -5
It's a wonder you don't support City
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 15, 2009 20:47:54 GMT -5
It's a wonder you don't support City  |
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Post by Moorish on Mar 16, 2009 17:36:30 GMT -5
That's an actual, official, chant, yer numpty Really?! Wow. Actually it's "And when he saw the title", not Champions League. We don't sing that cos we haven't won the Champions League. |
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but in all seriousness I think Wenger needs to buck his idea's up before it's too late.
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