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Post by ugottahavefun on Jul 29, 2008 11:55:31 GMT -5
In Ireland and the Uk we don't have it, but with all these gangland killings and teenage stabbings it's the only deterrent i can see.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2008 13:01:17 GMT -5
In Ireland and the Uk we don't have it, but with all these gangland killings and teenage stabbings it's the only deterrent i can see. no evidence to support your theory
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Post by chocolate st*rfish on Jul 30, 2008 13:35:26 GMT -5
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Post by miaki on Jul 30, 2008 16:42:35 GMT -5
I would like it reintroduced, but not for crimes such as teenage stabbings.
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Post by Way Cool Jr. on Jul 30, 2008 18:15:05 GMT -5
If the court and jury know 100% that the person standing trial killed another person then I don't see any problem with capital punishment
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Post by nyr401994 on Jul 31, 2008 0:32:03 GMT -5
it's a difficult topic. i believe in the death penalty for extreme cases, such as mass murders, killing innocents and children without provocation and not in self-defense. however, for others, i find death to be too easy. it's a cop out. some deserve solitary confinement for the rest of their lives, but one thing's for sure - they don't deserve to be in the jails the u.s. has now, with tv's and such. taxpayers should not be paying for them to live comfortably after committing such terrible deeds.
one thing must be considered though: does the punishment fit the crime? one must be fair, which is hard. most people get caught up in the news and immediately consider the defendant or accused as guilty. and that's why i can never be a judge.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 31, 2008 4:43:33 GMT -5
I voted yes. However, I'm a bit uncertain - many people on death row are innocent, and arent proven to be innocnet until it's too late. So my "yes" vote only applies to those who we 100% know committed the crime in question.
And for those who voted "no" - you would let people like OBL, Saddam Hussien, Timothy McVeigh, etc etc live?
^(Yes, OBL may think he's going to meet virgins when he dies, but we all know that's not the case, and if we can kill that fucker, then by all means....)
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Post by Moorish on Jul 31, 2008 12:13:39 GMT -5
No. The state should not have the right to kill its citizens. Murder is murder.
If even one person is executed and they turn out to be innocent - as has happened in the past - then the whole thing falls to pieces and becomes morally indefensible.
As for OBL etc, they should live the rest of their lives in a shitty solitary confinement cell. Murdering them is a cop-out.
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Post by ugottahavefun on Jul 31, 2008 13:28:08 GMT -5
I would like it reintroduced, but not for crimes such as teenage stabbings. Ya, but if they knew they could get it, there'd a decrease in the crime rate i'd say. Killing a policeman should be death though, with 20 years for any type of bodily harm. The Police need to stamp their authority on these areas... Those fuckers that killed the French exchange students though should be hanged drawn and quartered
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Post by caro on Jul 31, 2008 14:15:32 GMT -5
I would like it reintroduced, but not for crimes such as teenage stabbings. Ya, but if they knew they could get it, there'd a decrease in the crime rate i'd say. Killing a policeman should be death though, with 20 years for any type of bodily harm. The Police need to stamp their authority on these areas... Those fuckers that killed the French exchange students though should be hanged drawn and quartered They've stabbed french students?!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2008 14:20:59 GMT -5
And for those who voted "no" - you would let people like OBL, Saddam Hussien, Timothy McVeigh, etc etc live? yes, i am against the death penalty no matter what they have done.
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Post by ugottahavefun on Jul 31, 2008 14:24:25 GMT -5
Ya, but if they knew they could get it, there'd a decrease in the crime rate i'd say. Killing a policeman should be death though, with 20 years for any type of bodily harm. The Police need to stamp their authority on these areas... Those fuckers that killed the French exchange students though should be hanged drawn and quartered They've stabbed french students?!! Ya one of them got like 200 stabs wounds, and the other around 50. This happened a month ago in the uk, but i don't know if anyone has been apprehended.
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Post by Way Cool Jr. on Jul 31, 2008 17:53:17 GMT -5
it's a difficult topic. i believe in the death penalty for extreme cases, such as mass murders, killing innocents and children without provocation and not in self-defense. however, for others, i find death to be too easy. it's a cop out. some deserve solitary confinement for the rest of their lives, but one thing's for sure - they don't deserve to be in the jails the u.s. has now, with tv's and such. taxpayers should not be paying for them to live comfortably after committing such terrible deeds. one thing must be considered though: does the punishment fit the crime? one must be fair, which is hard. most people get caught up in the news and immediately consider the defendant or accused as guilty. and that's why i can never be a judge. I think we should give murderers a couple jackets and drop them off on Antarctica. If they survive they survive, if they don't who cares?
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 1, 2008 2:02:41 GMT -5
Ya, but if they knew they could get it, there'd a decrease in the crime rate i'd say. Killing a policeman should be death though, with 20 years for any type of bodily harm. The Police need to stamp their authority on these areas... Those fuckers that killed the French exchange students though should be hanged drawn and quartered They've stabbed french students?!! I love Caro. I really really do. Carry on.
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Post by MEANSTREAK on Aug 1, 2008 4:38:54 GMT -5
As you all know already I fully support capital punishment.
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Post by MEANSTREAK on Aug 1, 2008 4:47:38 GMT -5
- they don't deserve to be in the jails the u.s. has now, with tv's and such. taxpayers should not be paying for them to live comfortably after committing such terrible deeds. I understand your point completely, but I ask if you ever spent any time in a jail either locked up or on work experience as a student? The problem with jails is in order to have control over someone you have to be able to take things from them. If you give a prisoner nothing then they have nothing to lose if they fight you 100% of the time. If you give them some priveledges they don't want to lose then you have power over them. But don't believe the hype as Chris Rock says jails are fucked up!
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 1, 2008 7:03:53 GMT -5
This is the most chilling, sickening, and disturbing thing i have ever read, ever. I agree with the comments below the article - he should get the death penalty for this, what do you reckon? www.nationalterroralert.com/updates/2008/07/31/man-decapited-beheaded-aboard-greyhound-bus-canada/#more-3175 Man Decapitated ‘Beheaded’ Aboard Greyhound Bus - CanadaJuly 31, 2008 A man aboard a Canada Greyhound bus was decapitated after being repeatedly stabbed b y another passenger. Police said Thursday they didn’t know what prompted a passenger on a Greyhound bus heading to Winnipeg to viciously attack the man sitting next to him. Passengers said the man repeatedly stabbed his seat-mate before beheading him and carrying the victim’s head around the bus. RCMP Staff Sgt. Steve Colwell wouldn’t confirm those details, but did say a 40-year-old suspect was in RCMP custody and police were planning to interview him. No charges were immediately laid. Colwell said the behaviour of the passengers and driver probably prevented anyone else from being hurt. “It’s not something that happens regularly on a bus,” he said. “You’re sitting there enjoying your trip and then all of a sudden somebody gets stabbed. I imagine it would be pretty traumatic … the way they acted was extraordinary.” Colwell said they “were very brave. They reacted swiftly, calmly in exiting the bus and as a result nobody else was injured.” Shocked passengers described the horrific attack as something incomprehensible. One moment, the quiet man near the back of the bus was minding his own business. The man hadn’t talked to anyone around him, and seemed to pay no attention to the younger fellow sitting next to him, who was listening to music on headphones. The next moment, witnesses said, the older man stood up, still quiet, and repeatedly stabbed, then beheaded his younger victim. “We heard this blood-curdling scream and turned around, and the guy was standing up, stabbing this guy repeatedly, like 40 or 50 times,” Garnet Caton said Thursday from a hotel in Brandon, Man., where he and other passengers had been taken to rest. “There was no rage or anything. He was like a robot, stabbing the guy.” Caton said the bus stopped and everyone scrambled to get out while the attacker started methodically carving up the victim’s body, not paying attention to anyone else. Caton and the driver shut the bus door from the outside while they waited for police to arrive. “We put our bodies up against the door, waiting for him to come out … and he went back and brought the head to the front and pretty much displayed it … and dropped it on the ground in front of us,” Caton said. “All very calmly. He was wearing sunglasses. It was no big deal to him.” Fellow passenger Cody Olmstead from Kentville, N.S., also recalled the chilling scene. “The guy came to the front of the door with buddy’s head in his hands, decapitated. He dropped the head and went back and started cutting the body back up,” Olmstead said. Source - Read More More detailed account here Caton said he heard a “blood-curdling scream” and turned around to see the attacker holding a large “Rambo” hunting knife above the victim, “continually stabbing him in the chest area.” “He must have stabbed him 50 times or 60 times,” said Caton. “Like, just everywhere, arms, legs, neck, chest, guts, wherever he could swing it, he got it,” said Olmstead. “It looked kind of like a scuffle or an argument, you know, and then somebody’s, like, ‘Knife! Knife! Run!’ so I was running up the alleyway, slapping people telling them to get going, move, get off the bus. I got pushed over, some lady got pushed over, I was just making sure everybody was OK, and we all got off the bus,” said Olmstead As panicked passengers fled the bus, “the attacker was over top of the victim … continually cutting him. I think the victim was gone at that point,” Caton said. Trio tried to check on victim Caton, the driver and a trucker who had stopped at the scene later boarded the vehicle to see if the victim was still alive. “When we came back on the bus, it was visible at the end of the bus he was cutting the guy’s head off and pretty much gutting him up,” said Caton. The attacker ran at them, Caton said, and they ran out of the bus, holding the door shut as he tried to slash at the trio. When the attacker tried to drive the bus away, the driver disabled the vehicle, Caton said. “While we were watching the door, he calmly walks up to the front with the head in his hand and the knife and just calmly stares at us and drops the head right in front of us,” said Caton. “They did an awesome thing, holding him in there, because if not, what would have happened?” said Olmstead.
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Post by miaki on Aug 1, 2008 11:50:07 GMT -5
it's a difficult topic. i believe in the death penalty for extreme cases, such as mass murders, killing innocents and children without provocation and not in self-defense. however, for others, i find death to be too easy. it's a cop out. some deserve solitary confinement for the rest of their lives, but one thing's for sure - they don't deserve to be in the jails the u.s. has now, with tv's and such. taxpayers should not be paying for them to live comfortably after committing such terrible deeds. . I completely agree with you....we have several mass murderers who fit that bill. In the UK they also get it far too easy, probably easier then in the US.
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Post by MEANSTREAK on Aug 2, 2008 12:29:54 GMT -5
wow. that's freaking insane.
Not to make light of the situation but I wonder if the kid was listening to his ipod rrreeeaaaalllyyy loudly and annoying people? It's only a matter of time before more popel snap!
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Post by miaki on Aug 2, 2008 17:35:19 GMT -5
No. The state should not have the right to kill its citizens. Murder is murder. If even one person is executed and they turn out to be innocent - as has happened in the past - then the whole thing falls to pieces and becomes morally indefensible. As for OBL etc, they should live the rest of their lives in a shitty solitary confinement cell. Murdering them is a cop-out. It costs thousands of pounds a day to keep people like the Peter Sutcliffe alive in prison, do you not think that money would better spent elsewhere?
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Post by caro on Aug 2, 2008 17:38:49 GMT -5
Well Ross would tell you that killing a criminal is more expensive than keeping him in jail due to all the legal procedures
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Post by caro on Aug 2, 2008 17:40:38 GMT -5
They've stabbed french students?!! Ya one of them got like 200 stabs wounds, and the other around 50. This happened a month ago in the uk, but i don't know if anyone has been apprehended. Sick! I feel close to that because I used to be an exchange French student in England
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Post by caro on Aug 2, 2008 17:42:13 GMT -5
As you all know already I fully support capital punishment. You're from Texas, this is an unecessary post
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Post by MEANSTREAK on Aug 5, 2008 6:37:26 GMT -5
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26014962/Ohio inmate says he's too fat for execution Lawyer claims his client's weight could make lethal injection 'excruciating' COLUMBUS, Ohio - A death row inmate scheduled for execution says he's too fat to be put to death, claiming executioners would have trouble finding his veins and that his weight could diminish the effectiveness of one of the lethal injection drugs. Lawyers for Richard Cooey argue in a federal lawsuit that Cooey — 5-feet-7 and 267 pounds — had poor veins when he faced execution five years ago and the problem has been worsened by weight gain. The lawsuit, filed Friday in federal court, also says prison officials have had difficulty drawing blood from Cooey for medical procedures. Cooey, 41, is sentenced to die for raping and murdering two young women in 1986. His execution is scheduled for Oct. 14. His attorneys say a drug he is taking for migraine headaches could affect the execution process. The drug Topamax, a type of seizure medication, may have created a resistance to thiopental, the drug used to put inmates to sleep before two other lethal drugs are administered, Dr. Mark Heath, a physician hired by the Ohio Public Defender's Office, said in documents filed with the court. Heath says Cooey's weight, combined with the potential drug resistance, increases the risk he would not be properly anesthetized. "All of the experts agree if the first drug doesn't work, the execution is going to be excruciating," Cooey's public defender, Kelly Culshaw Schneider, said Monday. Prison system spokeswoman Andrea Carson and Jim Gravelle, a spokesman for the Ohio Attorney General's Office, both said Monday they hadn't seen the lawsuit and couldn't comment. Last year, Carson cited the obesity of condemned inmate Christopher Newton as one of the reasons prison officials had difficulty accessing his veins before his execution. Newton was 6 feet tall and weighed 265 pounds. Two years ago, convicted killer Jeffrey Lundgren was put to death after a federal appeals court rejected his claim that he was at greater risk of experiencing pain and suffering because he was overweight and diabetic. this photo is from 2003 - aaaaaawwwwwww, the tough-guy big-bad rapist & murderer of two university girls is afraid of a little needle?
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Post by Jimmy D on Sept 11, 2008 13:51:37 GMT -5
I only think it is right if it is used under the right circumstances, e.g. little fucker attacks you on stage NO... Little fucker shoots and kills you in a totally un-provocked attack then yes.
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