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Post by start at the end on May 28, 2008 12:59:22 GMT -5
OK, first lets be realistic, I'm sure no one here likely thinks it's even a reasonable possibility, but IF the stars were to align, what/who would be the major players? Please avoid the usual "it's not important to have a #1 in the U.S...blah blah blah" I understand we're all massive fans here and the album's chart performance will have little to do with anything, this is just out of "what if" curiosity. I propose the following are imperative for "maximum chartage":
1. A REAL marketing push here in the states. Seems to me the best I saw over the DBTT release was a third-of-a-page ad in Spin regarding its debut date. Pathetic. I know it's pie in the sky, but could you imagine what a "coldplay-like" Apple spot could do for them with the first single? Short of that, even a marginal amount of fanfare would undoubtedly amp up US sales. The complete and utter void of it with "Stop the Clocks" was shameful (and financially brain-dead to boot). Perhaps a relationship with Universal could significantly alter this history?
2. Impeccable timing. It already looks like the release will completely avoid chart-busters like U2, Mariah Carey, Usher, Coldplay, Madonna, Alicia Keys, etc. I took a glance at some other September releases, and thus far I don't see anything too threatening (although I'm not sure when Metallica's new one will be out). Obviously the less competition, the more sales (and higher charting) for Oasis.
3. A couple of "Lylas". I've said it before, while I can't speak for the rest of the country, Lyla was getting plenty of air-time in these parts, and it unquestionably injected them back into a lot of people's minds around here. Had a 2nd pop-o-matic single closely followed, it would have paid huge dividends.
Speculation abounds as to what the new album's going to sound like. If it's less "songy" (as Noel has alluded), that probably isn't the best news chart-wise, here in the states. I just don't think you can over-estimate how beneficial 2 strong singles could be for them here (yes, I realize singles will never have the foothold here they do in the u.k., but they're still important for exposure, nonetheless). A couple of minor "hits" would really reel in a lot of the fringe. Look at what Cham Supernova and DLBIA did for WTSMG?....and I don't think they even need another massive "Wonderwall". 2-3 Lyla's will do just fine, thank you.
For me, it seems at this point, given the reasonable success of DBTT and the timing of the release, a top 5 opening week could be realistic with any kind of marketing push. A #1 may indeed be a pipe-dream, but a man can dream, right?
what say you?
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Post by LlAM on May 28, 2008 13:25:26 GMT -5
The need to team up with Fergie and Timberland.
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Post by start at the end on May 28, 2008 13:36:14 GMT -5
that nearly made my short list.
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Post by The Boy Without the Blues on May 28, 2008 13:43:00 GMT -5
First Oasis new single:
I Wanna Live In A Dream In My Record Machine - Feat. Timbaland & Snoop Dog
That would make number one in every chart
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2008 14:07:18 GMT -5
All of that and a huge ballad. That's what Americans seem to love: See Wonderwall. I don't even think Morning Glory hit #1 in America so who knows if it's even possible at this point.
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Post by oasis21128 on May 28, 2008 14:19:11 GMT -5
it would take another 'wonderwall' type of hit at a minimum...and a lot of good luck.
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Post by 32shutout on May 28, 2008 14:30:43 GMT -5
DM- #58
MG- #4
BHN- #2
SOTSOG- #24
HC- #23
DBTT- #12
Obviously, Oasis hasn't made the top ten in America for a long time, so it's a long shot. It all comes down to the music, really. If they have the songs, then they could do it. But as an older band, it seems to me less likely they will be given the same opportunity that they were given ten years ago. DBTT was a step in the right direction, and i would hope for a top ten album, but number one would be very unlikely.
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Post by calioasis on May 28, 2008 14:52:03 GMT -5
It would take nothing short of a collaboration with a hot artist, I agree with you guys. Something to give the boys a boost beyond the 'wonderwall' 'we're better than the beatles' casual crowd. Sort of like if you asked in 1998, what could Santana do to get a number one album?
Oh, and unbelievable marketing.
However, Lyla was also pretty well received where I was (LA). But then there was no second single on the album at that level. And don't say let there be love, that wasn't even a hit in the UK. And I wouldn't want it to be a hit in the US. So schmaltzy. Anyway, that kind of single can open the door, then you need a 2nd single to REALLY be better and blow the door off. One song won't do it.
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Post by kenneth on May 28, 2008 15:36:01 GMT -5
I think they will be quite successful with the new album and tour in the U.S. This, in my opinion, is largely due to the fact that Don't Believe The Truth did good on the charts, and that they really did a good job touring over there on the last tour.
Sadly, I think a #1 in the U.S would require them to do a collaboration with a big name. I would believe that if they got Timbaland to produce their first single, it would have a good chance getting to number 1. Or maybe they could do a collaboration with Nelly Furtado. Apparently she's a massive fan ;D
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Post by pwntinator on May 28, 2008 16:56:39 GMT -5
With the right promotion, a couple of beltersingels and a real good album to back it all up with might get them into the top 5 again.
Cooperate with Timbaland? No way in hell.
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Post by dearprudence on May 28, 2008 17:06:32 GMT -5
Yep... the will need a reality show... 2 months before album release
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Post by jlzoasis on May 28, 2008 17:37:36 GMT -5
Liam dressing up in American flag short pants...........;D
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 28, 2008 18:37:45 GMT -5
However, Lyla was also pretty well received where I was (LA). But then there was no second single on the album at that level. And don't say let there be love, that wasn't even a hit in the UK. And I wouldn't want it to be a hit in the US. So schmaltzy. Anyway, that kind of single can open the door, then you need a 2nd single to REALLY be better and blow the door off. One song won't do it. You're right. Exactly right. Everywhere in the world, cept for America, Oasis are basically guaranteed success, so whatever they do, it's always high in the charts. The US is bigger than most countries, so that makes it harder to begin with, and the US focuses heavily on gimmicks and fads - boybands, rap, etc and targets all that to the lower end of the teen group --> 13-17 year olds, as seen with all those stupid shows on MTV. And MTV proves to be a good example -- correct me if I'm wrong, but MTV and related channels in the UK still show primarily music videos and music related content, but here in the US that's hard to come by - you get idiotic shows like Date My Mom, and Punk'd. So that ties into the promotion aspect of Oasis too. I'm sure if the US had shows like Top of the Tops, and stuff like that, they would be more 'liked' in the US As for "cracking America", I'm in the firm belief that they have cracked America - seems to be a dividing concept when it comes to Oasis. 3 our of their 6 albums we're in the top 15 - that's not a failure. But the fact is that their singles make American radio stations, and are moderately/heavily played AND they sell out shows in the US all the time, and very very quickly. The charts don't mean that much anymore, and they haven't since the late 1990s. Backstreet Boys at #1? Miley Cyrus floating around up there? Fuck off. As Liam said in the 1999 interview on TRL "It's not about selling records, it's about being real" People know who Oasis are in America, and people will listen to them if they're on the radio, but it's going to take that little bit of extra promotion and careful pick of 2 very good singles to make them as successful in the US as they were in 1996. Think about it: If STC is made more sing-songy, and Record Machine is lengthened as its rumored to be, then you pretty much got your #1 and #2 single right there....and that would be very successful, I reckon. |
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Post by castlecraver on May 28, 2008 18:59:48 GMT -5
If Oasis were to go #1 in the US? What would have to happen would be 100% contrary to form. It would require a massive sellout, ridiculous gimmick, or something that the entire band and those of us who've been with them for 12+ years would surely find insufferable and fake. Put shortly, it'd be impossible and not worth the price. I want to see them do well, but I'd hate to see them try that hard at something they've got no reason to be (and never have been) bothered with.
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Post by GH on May 28, 2008 19:26:23 GMT -5
Yeah, Oasis would need promotion in the U.S. to be more successful on the charts. I don't know when MTV even plays music anymore, except now during the show "the Hills" (yes, I watch it, it makes me feel better about my life) in the corner or on the bottom of the screen they tell the viewer what song is playing, who sings it, and what album it's from.
I think that is how MTV tries to justify continuing to call itself "music television." But I know that that small promotion can have an impact, like when Don't Stop Believin was in the top 10 on itunes a few years back after it was featured on the show. And before they started giving info on the songs during the show, message boards would immediately be full of questions of what songs were playing.
So my whole point before that rant about MTV was that having a song on a show like the Hills that reaches a pretty brainless mass audience could help Oasis in the charts, but I just don't see that happening.
Maybe if vh1 had a feature on the band sales would improve too. Their "You Oughtta Know" is how I learned about bands like Keane and Scissor Sisters a few years ago. But I think that is only for new artists. And even vh1 barely plays music anymore. It's all Flavor Flav and other celeb reality crap. But I think Oasis is more vh1 than MTV, and their videos could get airplay on the channel.
Sorry for the pointless gabbing, I just really miss the old MTV and vh1 (PopUp video!)!
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Post by headcase on May 28, 2008 19:59:11 GMT -5
it'll never happen
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Post by caro on May 28, 2008 20:00:29 GMT -5
I'd say they cover of "Cry me a River" feat. Justin Timberlake himself  Possibly some fat girls like beyoncé dancing on the back too  |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 28, 2008 20:01:32 GMT -5
Yeah, Oasis would need promotion in the U.S. to be more successful on the charts. I don't know when MTV even plays music anymore, except now during the show "the Hills" (yes, I watch it, it makes me feel better about my life) in the corner or on the bottom of the screen they tell the viewer what song is playing, who sings it, and what album it's from. I think that is how MTV tries to justify continuing to call itself "music television." But I know that that small promotion can have an impact, like when Don't Stop Believin was in the top 10 on itunes a few years back after it was featured on the show. And before they started giving info on the songs during the show, message boards would immediately be full of questions of what songs were playing. So my whole point before that rant about MTV was that having a song on a show like the Hills that reaches a pretty brainless mass audience could help Oasis in the charts, but I just don't see that happening. Maybe if vh1 had a feature on the band sales would improve too. Their "You Oughtta Know" is how I learned about bands like Keane and Scissor Sisters a few years ago. But I think that is only for new artists. And even vh1 barely plays music anymore. It's all Flavor Flav and other celeb reality crap. But I think Oasis is more vh1 than MTV, and their videos could get airplay on the channel. Sorry for the pointless gabbing, I just really miss the old MTV and vh1 (PopUp video!)! The only show I ever liked on MTV was Made -- now that did make me feel better about myself hahaha |
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Post by castlecraver on May 28, 2008 21:31:07 GMT -5
Oh and appropriately when checking this thread there's a Google ad for the latest Ashlee Simpson album at the top of the page. Or at least I'm assuming it's a Google ad. Perhaps Webster's taste in music is evolving?
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Post by checkwithmemum on May 28, 2008 23:16:44 GMT -5
Songs with ambiguity often make it big
What’s a Wonderwall?
Who is Sally?
Who is Lyla?
What is a Champagne Supernova?
as long as the songs sound great and are higher ambiguous then the boys will be fine
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 28, 2008 23:21:53 GMT -5
Songs with ambiguity often make it big What’s a Wonderwall? Who is Sally? Who is Lyla? What is a Champagne Supernova? as long as the songs sound great and are higher ambiguous then the boys will be fine I disagree.....firstly, Noel has said that a wonderwall relates to him and his childhood memory Secondly, The Importance of Being Idle, Part of the Queue, Live Forever, Slide Away, Rock N Roll Star, Stop Crying Your Heart Out, Song Bird, Whatever, The Masterplan, Cigs and Alc.....must I go on? All have great, meaningful lyrics, and are all massive massive songs |
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Post by 32shutout on May 29, 2008 0:28:38 GMT -5
Songs with ambiguity often make it big What’s a Wonderwall? Who is Sally? Who is Lyla? What is a Champagne Supernova? as long as the songs sound great and are higher ambiguous then the boys will be fine I disagree.....firstly, Noel has said that a wonderwall relates to him and his childhood memory I would like to see that quote, b/c in the Lock the Box interview (i think) Noel said the song was originally called 'Wishing Stone', and was only called 'Wonderwall' after he discovered the George Harrison album. I don't know about the ambiguity thing, but among their 3 biggest hits (in America), I don't think DLBIA or CS have great lyrics, and i don't think wonderwall is amazing lyrically either. I'm not saying any of them aren't amazing songs. What really matters is the music and melody, not so much the lyrics |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 29, 2008 1:01:55 GMT -5
I disagree.....firstly, Noel has said that a wonderwall relates to him and his childhood memory I would like to see that quote, b/c in the Lock the Box interview (i think) Noel said the song was originally called 'Wishing Stone', and was only called 'Wonderwall' after he discovered the George Harrison album. I don't know about the ambiguity thing, but among their 3 biggest hits (in America), I don't think DLBIA or CS have great lyrics, and i don't think wonderwall is amazing lyrically either. I'm not saying any of them aren't amazing songs. What really matters is the music and melody, not so much the lyrics "It's a song about an imaginary friend who's gonna come and save you from yourself." - Noel Gallagher talking about the meaning of Wonderwall, from the BBC Radio 2 program: What's The Story I can't find the actual quote or interview, but I really do re-call Noel saying that a wonderwall dealt with his childhood - there was a wall he and Liam would write on, or whatever.....which kind of does make sense and goes along with the quote above.... |
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Post by kenneth on May 29, 2008 2:57:22 GMT -5
I would like to see that quote, b/c in the Lock the Box interview (i think) Noel said the song was originally called 'Wishing Stone', and was only called 'Wonderwall' after he discovered the George Harrison album. I don't know about the ambiguity thing, but among their 3 biggest hits (in America), I don't think DLBIA or CS have great lyrics, and i don't think wonderwall is amazing lyrically either. I'm not saying any of them aren't amazing songs. What really matters is the music and melody, not so much the lyrics "It's a song about an imaginary friend who's gonna come and save you from yourself." - Noel Gallagher talking about the meaning of Wonderwall, from the BBC Radio 2 program: What's The Story I can't find the actual quote or interview, but I really do re-call Noel saying that a wonderwall dealt with his childhood - there was a wall he and Liam would write on, or whatever.....which kind of does make sense and goes along with the quote above.... Yes, I recall that myself. I think it was right after he was asked if the song was about his former girlfriend Meg Matthews. Anyways, another thing that might have impact on Oasis record sales in the states, is if the song is controversial like Shakermaker for using the Coca Cola lyrics and it gets massive publicity before it's released. |
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Post by start at the end on May 29, 2008 7:47:50 GMT -5
A significant collaboration with any other artist on one of their LP's is absolutely out of the question (see 6 long-players thus far), so it (U.S. success) would have to fall on fantastic promotion and 2 solid singles. If that's what it took (a superstar collaboration), it would be bittersweet anyways, as I'd hate to admit that it took the "pull" of an outside influence to bring them to the top.
As mentioned earlier, it just wouldn't seem "worth it" to me either.
I'm hoping for top 5, still.
By the way, that's not ALWAYS the case anyway (a UK band needing a gimmick collab for a #1 record.)
Coldplay, Radiohead, and U2 (yes, I know they're Irish) will all go in at #1 with no more than their own members (Radiohead already did with In Rainbows).
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