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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 12, 2013 20:23:20 GMT -5
Totally disagree mate, they are far from 'average' and have tons of good songs, 4 solid albums all with a different feel to each one, and numerous high quality b-sides and cover versions also. Best band around at the minute, by a mile for me. Their music is nothing special and there are tons of bands out there that are better than the Arctic Monkeys. The Coral, Stereophonics, Tame Impala, Grizzly Bear, Miles Kane, Yo La Tengo, Proud Mary etc. etc. Now these guys have diverse songs and songs that actually stick in your head. Apart from Suck It And See there hasn't been an Arctic Monkeys album that has really been gripping. They don't have any albums even remotely comparable to Definitely Maybe, Morning Glory or even Be Here Now. They're good but when you say Oasis of their generation, I totally disagree, there just aren't enough classics in their discography to be given that mantle. But that's just my opinion. Tame Impala kicks ass! Great band...or Kevin Parker solo project.  |
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Post by Manualex on Mar 12, 2013 21:11:13 GMT -5
Oasis are better than the Arctic's mate, I am not disputing that don't get me wrong, but those others you mentioned are nowhere near them mate, at all. Miles Kane? Didn't Turner write half his album for him anyway? I never said that you said they're better than Oasis. Anyway all of this is subjective, My point is you were talking about diversity. All those bands have something diverse. The first 2 AM albums sound the same and the next 2 sound like each other. I cited those bands for that reason. They might not be bigger than the Arctic Monkeys commercially but their music speaks for itself. If only popularity were the measure of one's greatness then the likes Of Nikki Minaj would rule the world.  What track on Suck it and see sounds like pretty visitor, propeller or Jewler hands? I can give you that the ballads on Humbug do sound similiar to those of SIAS but those are only two of 10. |
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Post by Bruno on Mar 12, 2013 22:06:39 GMT -5
I never said that you said they're better than Oasis. Anyway all of this is subjective, My point is you were talking about diversity. All those bands have something diverse. The first 2 AM albums sound the same and the next 2 sound like each other. I cited those bands for that reason. They might not be bigger than the Arctic Monkeys commercially but their music speaks for itself. If only popularity were the measure of one's greatness then the likes Of Nikki Minaj would rule the world. What track on Suck it and see sounds like pretty visitor, propeller or Jewler hands? I can give you that the ballads on Humbug do sound similiar to those of SIAS but those are only two of 10. The person to whom I was replying was saying Arctic Monkeys are very diverse. It's just my point of view that they are not. Not saying they're bad on the contrary I like those albums all I was trying to say is they are not that diverse and are not the Oasis of this generation. |
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Post by yearzero on Mar 12, 2013 22:09:31 GMT -5
I will say, upfront, that I have not listened to an Arctic Monkeys record. I know of them, and I probably have heard a song or two by them, but I'm not familiar with them at all. It sounds from everyone's comments that perhaps musically, in some ways, they can be compared to Oasis. But in terms of cultural impact and a "universal" influence, Oasis is for sure the winner. I can't think of a single person who doesn't know at least one Oasis song (even if it's just Wonderwall ). Even my students, who are teenagers. And I'm in North America, where Oasis didn't have half the same impact as in Britain. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2013 22:13:01 GMT -5
What track on Suck it and see sounds like pretty visitor, propeller or Jewler hands? I can give you that the ballads on Humbug do sound similiar to those of SIAS but those are only two of 10. The person to whom I was replying was saying Arctic Monkeys are very diverse. It's just my point of view that they are not. Not saying they're bad on the contrary I like those albums all I was trying to say is they are not that diverse and are not the Oasis of this generation. WELL PUT BRUNO  |
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Post by WirralRiddler on Mar 13, 2013 4:29:18 GMT -5
What track on Suck it and see sounds like pretty visitor, propeller or Jewler hands? I can give you that the ballads on Humbug do sound similiar to those of SIAS but those are only two of 10. The person to whom I was replying was saying Arctic Monkeys are very diverse. It's just my point of view that they are not. Not saying they're bad on the contrary I like those albums all I was trying to say is they are not that diverse and are not the Oasis of this generation. You can't really be holding that against the Arctic's when Oasis were never the most 'diverse' band either were they? You keep bringing it back to Oasis but i already said Oasis are better so thats just silly and unfair IMO, you seem unwilling to lable Arctic Monkeys the 'oasis of their generation' but for me they are the closest your gonna get, less laughable than any other suggestion. But i suppose its all opinions anyway, there is no right or wrong. But IMO, your wrong. |
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Post by Bruno on Mar 13, 2013 8:17:17 GMT -5
The person to whom I was replying was saying Arctic Monkeys are very diverse. It's just my point of view that they are not. Not saying they're bad on the contrary I like those albums all I was trying to say is they are not that diverse and are not the Oasis of this generation. You can't really be holding that against the Arctic's when Oasis were never the most 'diverse' band either were they? You keep bringing it back to Oasis but i already said Oasis are better so thats just silly and unfair IMO, you seem unwilling to lable Arctic Monkeys the 'oasis of their generation' but for me they are the closest your gonna get, less laughable than any other suggestion. But i suppose its all opinions anyway, there is no right or wrong. But IMO, your wrong. Ok, first of all the thread is titled 'Oasis of their Generation' so it's obvious there will be a comparison...duh! Second I never said Oasis were diverse, they didn't need to be because the songs were so good but when you say that the Arctic Monkeys are diverse I wholeheartedly disagree. Third, the only time when I have compared Oasis to AM is to say that they just don't have enough memorable songs to be labelled 'Oasis Of Their Generation' as the thread is titled. I am not directly comparing them all I am saying is Arctic Monkeys don't have enough 'GREAT' songs. They have some good songs but nothing that stays with you. Again not comparing them directly! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 11:15:17 GMT -5
lol I'll have to post on the side of the Monkeys here, although no I don't think they're 'the Oasis of their Generation'. Oasis had great music and a kind of personal appeal too, you kind of feel like you almost know the guys and could hang out with them or something. or maybe I've just watched more concerts/interviews with them.
with the Arctic Monkeys, I love all their albums except Favourite Worst Nightmare (that one just didn't click with me). I see a lot of diversity in their music and they've grown a lot from the first album to Suck it and See, tried some new styles and have really matured. they are always very interesting lyrically too. and I love Alex's voice. still I don't feel the same personal connection to them, not even like I do with Kasabian and certainly not with Oasis.
I think as far as commercial success they'd come the closest to meriting a comparison with Oasis, but I don't think they will ever have the influence on a generation the way Oasis has.
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Post by Bruno on Mar 13, 2013 11:50:26 GMT -5
lol I'll have to post on the side of the Monkeys here, although no I don't think they're 'the Oasis of their Generation'. Oasis had great music and a kind of personal appeal too, you kind of feel like you almost know the guys and could hang out with them or something. or maybe I've just watched more concerts/interviews with them. with the Arctic Monkeys, I love all their albums except Favourite Worst Nightmare (that one just didn't click with me). I see a lot of diversity in their music and they've grown a lot from the first album to Suck it and See, tried some new styles and have really matured. they are always very interesting lyrically too. and I love Alex's voice. still I don't feel the same personal connection to them, not even like I do with Kasabian and certainly not with Oasis. I think as far as commercial success they'd come the closest to meriting a comparison with Oasis, but I don't think they will ever have the influence on a generation the way Oasis has. I have to agree with you there. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 11:57:53 GMT -5
lol I'll have to post on the side of the Monkeys here, although no I don't think they're 'the Oasis of their Generation'. Oasis had great music and a kind of personal appeal too, you kind of feel like you almost know the guys and could hang out with them or something. or maybe I've just watched more concerts/interviews with them. with the Arctic Monkeys, I love all their albums except Favourite Worst Nightmare (that one just didn't click with me). I see a lot of diversity in their music and they've grown a lot from the first album to Suck it and See, tried some new styles and have really matured. they are always very interesting lyrically too. and I love Alex's voice. still I don't feel the same personal connection to them, not even like I do with Kasabian and certainly not with Oasis. I think as far as commercial success they'd come the closest to meriting a comparison with Oasis, but I don't think they will ever have the influence on a generation the way Oasis has. Very well put there sally , seriously ....nice job! |
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Post by mari3 on Mar 13, 2013 20:14:51 GMT -5
I will say, upfront, that I have not listened to an Arctic Monkeys record. I know of them, and I probably have heard a song or two by them, but I'm not familiar with them at all. It sounds from everyone's comments that perhaps musically, in some ways, they can be compared to Oasis. But in terms of cultural impact and a "universal" influence, Oasis is for sure the winner. I can't think of a single person who doesn't know at least one Oasis song (even if it's just Wonderwall ). Even my students, who are teenagers. And I'm in North America, where Oasis didn't have half the same impact as in Britain. I wish ONE person in my school had heard of oasis, I'm in the US and have yet to meet a teenager that knows of them, even wonderwall. Actually, most don't even know the name of Led Zeppelin or Nirvana. Actually, I was surprised that my relatives in South America know more of Oasis than the teenagers that I know. I'm stuck with hearing rap and pop in the hallways, great... uhh enough of my complaining hahaha, umm Arctic Monkeys are good, but I can't listen to them everyday as I do with Oasis. Plus, Oasis is like a lifestyle, I need to be myself-I can't be no one else! |
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Post by yearzero on Mar 13, 2013 21:25:40 GMT -5
Actually, most don't even know the name of Led Zeppelin or Nirvana.  What is the education of children coming to these days?? Glad to see that there are some knowledgeable music fans like yourself here though  Perhaps you should be the unofficial ambassador of good music at your school. You know, sneak in some music over the PA system or something. Or give a CD to whoever is DJ'ing your next school dance. This reminds me of the time when I overheard a conversation on a train. These teenagers were talking about the movie Into the Wild, which has music by Eddie Vedder. When one girl brought this up, the boy said, Who??? She said, in a very uncertain voice, "Um, I think he was the lead singer of Pearl Jam??" I had to resist doing a face-palm and telling them that he still IS the lead singer. Then I just felt very old.  Back on topic--maybe it's too soon to say if the Arctic Monkeys are the Oasis of their generation. They're only about a decade old. Once they have more years under their belt and we can see what effect they have had on other bands, and the musical landscape, more properly, then we can maybe re-assess. I really think the Internet has also changed the way people listen to and respond to music, so it makes it harder to gauge "success" and "influence" now. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 22:03:32 GMT -5
You know I been thinking about this and there have been some real good points made on this topic here by you cats...I don't think they can be the oasis of there generation simply because a band for a generation is a band that inspires masses of people of different musical likes ...give you a example guns and roses were music for a generation
A generation that had grown sick of hair bands and wanted balls out rock I knew people who were into rap , pop , punk no matter the genre they loved guns
Oasis in the uk at its height was that band of a generation voice of a generation staying in chisel hurst often for months at a time I saw how people of Ll musical styles in clubs
And on the streets sang along to live forever and the like ....the monkeys Re a solid band but in 10 years I can't see them being billed as a voice of a generation type band. Imo
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 22:06:58 GMT -5
Actually, most don't even know the name of Led Zeppelin or Nirvana. What is the education of children coming to these days?? Glad to see that there are some knowledgeable music fans like yourself here though Perhaps you should be the unofficial ambassador of good music at your school. You know, sneak in some music over the PA system or something. Or give a CD to whoever is DJ'ing your next school dance. This reminds me of the time when I overheard a conversation on a train. These teenagers were talking about the movie Into the Wild, which has music by Eddie Vedder. When one girl brought this up, the boy said, Who??? She said, in a very uncertain voice, "Um, I think he was the lead singer of Pearl Jam??" I had to resist doing a face-palm and telling them that he still IS the lead singer. Then I just felt very old. Back on topic--maybe it's too soon to say if the Arctic Monkeys are the Oasis of their generation. They're only about a decade old. Once they have more years under their belt and we can see what effect they have had on other bands, and the musical landscape, more properly, then we can maybe re-assess. I really think the Internet has also changed the way people listen to and respond to music, so it makes it harder to gauge "success" and "influence" now. I got one even better I worked with this girl who swear to god had a running argument with me that pink Floyd was a guy not a band. And wouldn't give in .. She was like 19 I literally walked to the record store in the mall we worked at bought the wall again showed her pink Floyd is: name of band mates she swore they were backups ...I just quit talkin to her lost in space man |
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Post by yearzero on Mar 13, 2013 22:14:46 GMT -5
 That's brilliant! Some people just don't see what's in front of them. Next thing we know, someone will be saying that Alice Cooper is a woman jazz singer. Or that Guns 'n' Roses is one guy. Oh wait, that is sort of true, come to think of it...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 22:16:52 GMT -5
That's brilliant! Some people just don't see what's in front of them. Next thing we know, someone will be saying that Alice Cooper is a woman jazz singer. Or that Guns 'n' Roses is one guy. Oh wait, that is sort of true, come to think of it... So true especially gnr axle fucked up a potential all time all time band I shoulda known once izzy bolted something was amiss |
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Post by yearzero on Mar 13, 2013 22:22:21 GMT -5
That's brilliant! Some people just don't see what's in front of them. Next thing we know, someone will be saying that Alice Cooper is a woman jazz singer. Or that Guns 'n' Roses is one guy. Oh wait, that is sort of true, come to think of it... So true especially gnr axle fucked up a potential all time all time band I shoulda known once izzy bolted something was amiss Very true The "Where's Izzy?" sign in the "Don't Cry" music video testifies to that. And every time I see that video, I think, RIP Shannon Hoon. Guns 'n' Roses could have been one of the biggest bands ever. The November Rain performance with Elton John in the VMAs was epic. Now Axl is sort of a bad running joke. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 22:27:56 GMT -5
So true especially gnr axle fucked up a potential all time all time band I shoulda known once izzy bolted something was amiss Very true The "Where's Izzy?" sign in the "Don't Cry" music video testifies to that. And every time I see that video, I think, RIP Shannon Hoon. Guns 'n' Roses could have been one of the biggest bands ever. The November Rain performance with Elton John in the VMAs was epic. Now Axl is sort of a bad running joke. People forget how instrumental izzy was They truly coulda been as big as just about any rock band this side of zep. Axle was given the keys to a rolls and brought back a ford pinto man And yea rip Shannon. |
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Post by yearzero on Mar 13, 2013 22:34:43 GMT -5
Very true The "Where's Izzy?" sign in the "Don't Cry" music video testifies to that. And every time I see that video, I think, RIP Shannon Hoon. Guns 'n' Roses could have been one of the biggest bands ever. The November Rain performance with Elton John in the VMAs was epic. Now Axl is sort of a bad running joke. People forget how instrumental izzy was They truly coulda been as big as just about any rock band this side of zep. Axle was given the keys to a rolls and brought back a ford pinto manAnd yea rip Shannon. Whereas Noel got the keys to a Rolls and couldn't drive it at all Continuing this metaphor, Noel and Liam got a lemon of a car when they were growing up, then they turned themselves into rockets and shot themselves into space. And they're still orbiting around Earth and affecting the tides of music. Okay, so maybe I got carried away with the imagery. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 22:49:52 GMT -5
People forget how instrumental izzy was They truly coulda been as big as just about any rock band this side of zep. Axle was given the keys to a rolls and brought back a ford pinto manAnd yea rip Shannon. Whereas Noel got the keys to a Rolls and couldn't drive it at all Continuing this metaphor, Noel and Liam got a lemon of a car when they were growing up, then they turned themselves into rockets and shot themselves into space. And they're still orbiting around Earth and affecting the tides of music. Okay, so maybe I got carried away with the imagery. ...your right though Noel took the keys and never looked back ,, how the fuck can you have a band with slash and izzy and end up with none ?? Axle is a fucking joke j |
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Post by thefitnesskid1 on Mar 13, 2013 23:59:04 GMT -5
The Libertines WERE suppose to be the successor of the Oasis mantle but sadly that did not come to fruition.
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Mar 14, 2013 6:45:39 GMT -5
i really like, that the arctic monkeys had the balls to try a pretty different sound / direction on their third album "Humbug", which for me is their best.
I really love Stoner and it was pretty cool to see, that a britpop band got Josh Homme as a Producer and made pretty psychedelic stoner kind music, but haven't lost their roots. really strong and fat sounding record. But i had problems with "suck it and see".
would not compare them to oasis. oasis are completely different for me. the feelings i get during Oasis are not compareable to the feelings i get listening to the arctic monkeys.
love Oasis and love "Humbug" by the Monkeys.
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Post by Guy Fawkes on Mar 14, 2013 7:13:53 GMT -5
The Libertines WERE suppose to be the successor of the Oasis mantle but sadly that did not come to fruition. Agree. in a topic in the 'rock n roll star' section someone(this person had the guy from the Artic Monkeys in his avatar pic, not the guy who's been replying in this thread.) dismissed me for saying the Libertines were the last great band... the Artic Monkeys are ok, but the Libertines had the talent and potential to truly rival Oasis. God bless. |
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Post by WirralRiddler on Mar 14, 2013 7:19:10 GMT -5
To me they are, when i was growing up Oasis were everything to me, the best band who i would rather see than any other band, would rather listen to their songs than anybody else's Loved their style and knew the words to every song.
Nowadays, Arctic Monkeys ARE that band to me, and have been since 2009.
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Post by WirralRiddler on Mar 14, 2013 7:25:04 GMT -5
The Libertines WERE suppose to be the successor of the Oasis mantle but sadly that did not come to fruition. Agree. in a topic in the 'rock n roll star' section someone dismissed me for saying the Libertines were the last great band... the Artic Monkeys are ok, but the Libertines had the talent and potential to truly rival Oasis. God bless. Never got people saying that about the Libertines, they were never that good, i only like 'Can't Stand Me Now' and thats it. Arctic Monkeys blow them out the water. |
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What is the education of children coming to these days?? Glad to see that there are some knowledgeable music fans like yourself here though 
That's brilliant! 
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