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Post by akaidleroses on Dec 5, 2017 6:32:56 GMT -5
Isn't it interesting that the person giving the most sensible thoughts on this subject is caro? You know, a woman. Caro is definitely well spoken and considerate on this topic in particular on the "what about rape" question but I don't see why you need to point out she's female but she's definitely coming across as a level headed person. |
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Post by akaidleroses on Dec 5, 2017 6:34:14 GMT -5
It might be an obvious point to make, but I'll make it anyway: If men would be the ones getting pregnant, abortion wouldn't be an issue. I have no idea what that means, not trying to wind you up but I just don't get what you said. |
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Post by funhouse on Dec 5, 2017 8:46:06 GMT -5
It might be an obvious point to make, but I'll make it anyway: If men would be the ones getting pregnant, abortion wouldn't be an issue. I have no idea what that means, not trying to wind you up but I just don't get what you said. If the roles had been reversed, meaning among other things that men would be giving birth instead of women, I don't think there would still be that much discussion about the issue of abortion. |
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Post by jordan71421 on Dec 5, 2017 9:00:14 GMT -5
The ladies choose. Its their body, I would never tell them what to do with it. The man in the situation have no say? It’s his child too |
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Post by globe on Dec 5, 2017 9:32:13 GMT -5
Isn't it interesting that the person giving the most sensible thoughts on this subject is caro? You know, a woman. Caro is definitely well spoken and considerate on this topic in particular on the "what about rape" question but I don't see why you need to point out she's female but she's definitely coming across as a level headed person. That really doesn't surprise me. |
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Post by akaidleroses on Dec 5, 2017 10:27:07 GMT -5
I have no idea what that means, not trying to wind you up but I just don't get what you said. I don't think there would still be that much discussion about the issue of abortion. why? |
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Post by caro on Dec 5, 2017 18:28:02 GMT -5
Isn't it interesting that the person giving the most sensible thoughts on this subject is caro? You know, a woman. Why thanks globe 😁 |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 17:07:50 GMT -5
Isn't it interesting that the person giving the most sensible thoughts on this subject is caro? You know, a woman. Caro is definitely well spoken and considerate on this topic in particular on the "what about rape" question but I don't see why you need to point out she's female but she's definitely coming across as a level headed person. Maybe because it's the woman getting pregnant, not man. Men have to do fuck all during the 9 months so of course women's opinion should be A LOT more important in this case. I'm not a vegan but I've realised we're all products of evolution and deep down we're animals. We are constantly killing other animals and barely anyone is against it. "Killing" an unborn fetus who doesn't feel anything and wouldn't survive without the mother is the worst thing ever but eating meat that's manufactured in fucking horrible conditions where every animal is suffering is somehow okay. I do think there's something bad in abortion but as long as we're all eating meat and doing other shit that hurts animals I can't feel too bad about it. |
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Post by akaidleroses on Dec 7, 2017 2:31:10 GMT -5
Caro is definitely well spoken and considerate on this topic in particular on the "what about rape" question but I don't see why you need to point out she's female but she's definitely coming across as a level headed person. Maybe because it's the woman getting pregnant, not man. Men have to do fuck all during the 9 months so of course women's opinion should be A LOT more important in this case. I believe for a woman to become pregnant a man needs to be involved somewhere along the line so the man can't be discounted. You say the woman's opinion is "A LOT" more important in the case but I'm not sure what you're getting at. Should the election in my country next year be a female only vote if they are "A LOT" more important on the issue? I apologise if that's not what you are saying but by using the term "A LOT more important" it does raise a question like that to me. |
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Post by mystoryisgory on Dec 7, 2017 3:05:42 GMT -5
Maybe because it's the woman getting pregnant, not man. Men have to do fuck all during the 9 months so of course women's opinion should be A LOT more important in this case. I believe for a woman to become pregnant a man needs to be involved somewhere along the line so the man can't be discounted. You say the woman's opinion is "A LOT" more important in the case but I'm not sure what you're getting at. Should the election in my country next year be a female only vote if they are "A LOT" more important on the issue? I apologise if that's not what you are saying but by using the term "A LOT more important" it does raise a question like that to me. You're absolutely right that the man should have a say in whether his unborn kid should be aborted. But that's a conversation for him to have with his partner privately. I don't see a need for the government to be involved and limit a couple's options. Especially when the couple (or, more often, the mother) do not have the resources to provide for the child and ensure that he or she grows up healthily and learns the right things. The child will have an absolutely awful life if it can't be taken care of. And, yes I believe that the woman should have the final say on whether to have an abortion. It's her body. The man doesn't have to carry a fetus for nine months. Sure, it sucks that we men don't have as much say as we might like to, but perhaps we should have thought about that before we got her pregnant and instead taken the necessary precautions beforehand. Like, remembering the goddamn condom! The ethics of the abortion issue are very complicated, but it's a dilemma that should be resolved by the relevant parties (i.e. the couple) without having someone else (like the government) step in and tell them what they can or can't do. It's already a difficult enough choice as is for any woman to choose to have an abortion, so why does the government need to make that choice harder? |
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Post by akaidleroses on Dec 7, 2017 3:19:29 GMT -5
I believe for a woman to become pregnant a man needs to be involved somewhere along the line so the man can't be discounted. You say the woman's opinion is "A LOT" more important in the case but I'm not sure what you're getting at. Should the election in my country next year be a female only vote if they are "A LOT" more important on the issue? I apologise if that's not what you are saying but by using the term "A LOT more important" it does raise a question like that to me. You're absolutely right that the man should have a say in whether his unborn kid should be aborted. But that's a conversation for him to have with his partner privately. I don't see a need for the government to be involved and limit a couple's options. Especially when the couple (or, more often, the mother) do not have the resources to provide for the child and ensure that he or she grows up healthily and learns the right things. The child will have an absolutely awful life if it can't be taken care of. And, yes I believe that the woman should have the final say on whether to have an abortion. It's her body. The man doesn't have to carry a fetus for nine months. Sure, it sucks that we men don't have as much say as we might like to, but perhaps we should have thought about that before we got her pregnant and instead taken the necessary precautions beforehand. Like, remembering the goddamn condom!The ethics of the abortion issue are very complicated, but it's a dilemma that should be resolved by the relevant parties (i.e. the couple) without having someone else (like the government) step in and tell them what they can or can't do. It's already a difficult enough choice as is for any woman to choose to have an abortion, so why does the government need to make that choice harder? Not all pregnancies are accidents though? +1 on the whole issue being complicated. Being able to go to the polls on this issue is probably as fair as it gets imo. It's a total 50-50 and the result could swing either way. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 9:30:12 GMT -5
Maybe because it's the woman getting pregnant, not man. Men have to do fuck all during the 9 months so of course women's opinion should be A LOT more important in this case. I believe for a woman to become pregnant a man needs to be involved somewhere along the line so the man can't be discounted. You say the woman's opinion is "A LOT" more important in the case but I'm not sure what you're getting at. Should the election in my country next year be a female only vote if they are "A LOT" more important on the issue? I apologise if that's not what you are saying but by using the term "A LOT more important" it does raise a question like that to me. Okay, perhaps I'd prefer if the election was for women only but that's not possible, is it? I just think it's stupid that men are loudly speaking for pro-life when they are barely affected by it. It's woman's body, they should have the final decision. You're saying men should have the right to keep it because it's theirs too. Well, by that logic someone could say "I demand her to get an abortion because it's my baby and I don't want it". Sounds cruel, right? The point is, I wouldn't mind hearing pro-life opinions from women because the whole thing will affect them much more. But pro-life opinions from man? You can definitely have an opinion but don't expect everyone to agree with you. |
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Post by jordan71421 on Dec 7, 2017 10:18:37 GMT -5
I believe for a woman to become pregnant a man needs to be involved somewhere along the line so the man can't be discounted. You say the woman's opinion is "A LOT" more important in the case but I'm not sure what you're getting at. Should the election in my country next year be a female only vote if they are "A LOT" more important on the issue? I apologise if that's not what you are saying but by using the term "A LOT more important" it does raise a question like that to me. Okay, perhaps I'd prefer if the election was for women only but that's not possible, is it? I just think it's stupid that men are loudly speaking for pro-life when they are barely affected by it. It's woman's body, they should have the final decision. You're saying men should have the right to keep it because it's theirs too. Well, by that logic someone could say "I demand her to get an abortion because it's my baby and I don't want it". Sounds cruel, right? The point is, I wouldn't mind hearing pro-life opinions from women because the whole thing will affect them much more. But pro-life opinions from man? You can definitely have an opinion but don't expect everyone to agree with you. Everyone hears pro-life opinions from women all the time, especially in media. Why do you push the opinions from men away? |
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Post by akaidleroses on Dec 7, 2017 10:31:12 GMT -5
I believe for a woman to become pregnant a man needs to be involved somewhere along the line so the man can't be discounted. You say the woman's opinion is "A LOT" more important in the case but I'm not sure what you're getting at. Should the election in my country next year be a female only vote if they are "A LOT" more important on the issue? I apologise if that's not what you are saying but by using the term "A LOT more important" it does raise a question like that to me. Okay, perhaps I'd prefer if the election was for women only but that's not possible, is it? I just think it's stupid that men are loudly speaking for pro-life when they are barely affected by it. It's woman's body, they should have the final decision. You're saying men should have the right to keep it because it's theirs too. Well, by that logic someone could say "I demand her to get an abortion because it's my baby and I don't want it". Sounds cruel, right? The point is, I wouldn't mind hearing pro-life opinions from women because the whole thing will affect them much more. But pro-life opinions from man? You can definitely have an opinion but don't expect everyone to agree with you. No it's not possible for a female only vote as it would neither be fair or right. Yes, men should definitely have rights and a say. "But pro-life opinions from man?" I don't get why you have an issue with it and put a question mark at the end. Is it that shocking to you? I don't expect everyone to agree with me, far from it to be honest. |
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Post by akaidleroses on Dec 7, 2017 10:35:36 GMT -5
Okay, perhaps I'd prefer if the election was for women only but that's not possible, is it? I just think it's stupid that men are loudly speaking for pro-life when they are barely affected by it. It's woman's body, they should have the final decision. You're saying men should have the right to keep it because it's theirs too. Well, by that logic someone could say "I demand her to get an abortion because it's my baby and I don't want it". Sounds cruel, right? The point is, I wouldn't mind hearing pro-life opinions from women because the whole thing will affect them much more. But pro-life opinions from man? You can definitely have an opinion but don't expect everyone to agree with you. Everyone hears pro-life opinions from women all the time, especially in media. Why do you push the opinions from men away? It seems some would be happy to discount an entire gender from a topic that affects both genders.I know I'm more than okay for both male and females to be pro choice and have their voices and votes count. |
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Post by batfink30 on Dec 7, 2017 11:53:23 GMT -5
In 2017 is whether abortion should be legal even a thing?! It's absurd to even debate it. Are people wanting to go back to the days of back street abortions and women dying because of them?
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Post by jordan71421 on Dec 7, 2017 14:30:37 GMT -5
Everyone hears pro-life opinions from women all the time, especially in media. Why do you push the opinions from men away? It seems some would be happy to discount an entire gender from a topic that affects both genders.I know I'm more than okay for both male and females to be pro choice and have their voices and votes count. I don’t understand it, it’s such a dismissive way to think |
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Post by akaidleroses on Dec 9, 2017 8:31:45 GMT -5
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Post by sfsorrow on Dec 11, 2017 11:32:04 GMT -5
It seems some would be happy to discount an entire gender from a topic that affects both genders.I know I'm more than okay for both male and females to be pro choice and have their voices and votes count. I don’t understand it, it’s such a dismissive way to think All I know is that it would be quite strange if there was a vote over whether or not I should be legally bound to donate my kidneys to those who are dying of kidney failure. SaveSave |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 12, 2017 5:16:00 GMT -5
I wonder how many abortions are carried out when the original intention between to people was to have a child? Not many I'd reason. So often as a man you are asking a women to carry a child for 9 months and then provide the primary care after dramatically altering her life when there was no initial desire for a child.
Seems like her call to me.
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Post by sfsorrow on Dec 12, 2017 7:54:41 GMT -5
I wonder how many abortions are carried out when the original intention between to people was to have a child? Not many I'd reason. So often as a man you are asking a women to carry a child for 9 months and then provide the primary care after dramatically altering her life when there was no initial desire for a child. Seems like her call to me. Or flip it the other way. There are cases where men don't want a baby that he conceived with a woman but in that case most people understand that the choice is ultimately up to her not a committee of voters. SaveSave |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 12, 2017 10:50:44 GMT -5
I wonder how many abortions are carried out when the original intention between to people was to have a child? Not many I'd reason. So often as a man you are asking a women to carry a child for 9 months and then provide the primary care after dramatically altering her life when there was no initial desire for a child. Seems like her call to me. Or flip it the other way. There are cases where men don't want a baby that he conceived with a woman but in that case most people understand that the choice is ultimately up to her not a committee of voters. SaveSaveThe pregnancy and then primary care of the child for over a decade are likely to be down to the mother. So the ultimate choice should be down to the woman given the size of committment she will have to make. |
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Post by sfsorrow on Dec 12, 2017 10:57:38 GMT -5
Or flip it the other way. There are cases where men don't want a baby that he conceived with a woman but in that case most people understand that the choice is ultimately up to her not a committee of voters. SaveSaveThe pregnancy and then primary care of the child for over a decade are likely to be down to the mother. So the ultimate choice should be down to the woman given the size of committment she will have to make. Right. Clearly we don't disagree on this issue. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 12, 2017 11:00:04 GMT -5
The pregnancy and then primary care of the child for over a decade are likely to be down to the mother. So the ultimate choice should be down to the woman given the size of committment she will have to make. Right. Clearly we don't disagree on this issue. Sorry! I deleted the first sentence off my reply which said as much. |
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Post by Guy Fawkes on Dec 12, 2017 15:33:55 GMT -5
The pregnancy and then primary care of the child for over a decade are likely to be down to the mother. So the ultimate choice should be down to the woman given the size of committment she will have to make. Right. Clearly we don't disagree on this issue. Random note: thought you were female, swore I saw the female gender sign by your avatãr..... I switch my gender all the time, so.... Anyway, Thanks. |
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