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Post by gasda on May 7, 2005 23:39:49 GMT -5
ive been an oasis fan for about 2 years. i found them by luck, downloading them by accident. my friends think their shit, but can't back it up coz they don't actually listen to anything outside of wonderwall. which they like anyway. but basically the point is, why isnt oasis bigger in america. people know them for w.w. and supernova, maybe live forever if their lucky. but what my fellow americans who are dumb enough to vote for bush don understand is the depth of their music. find me another artist who put out great bsides. our charts are awful all rap and pop and country. the only great band thats big over here is coldplay
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Post by wash25 on May 7, 2005 23:52:01 GMT -5
But what's especially great about Coldplay is how sometimes he plays his piano really fast, and sometimes really slow, but always boring.
Just kidding. It's just that I hate Coldplay so much. They suck so bad I can't even believe it.
Anyway, I agree that Oasis are great. I think they never made it really big in America because:
A) The 96 tour
B) Liam was mean to people you're supposed to be nice to
C) Americans like shitty music (look at Coldplay after all).
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Post by gasda on May 8, 2005 0:02:31 GMT -5
well. ur right about why americans hate oasis. mostly because 90 percent of us are fucktards. my friends call liam and ass and just stop their. like somehow his mouth takes away from the quality of the music.
and as for coldplay. they two are great. the quality of their songs is really astounding, their material is always strong, while they get better and better. chris martin is a brilliant musician, and johnny bucklands the most underrated guitarist around. they can play slow fast, watever i really dont care because its all good
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Post by StepOut on May 8, 2005 1:43:42 GMT -5
well. ur right about why americans hate oasis. mostly because 90 percent of us are fucktards. my friends call liam and ass and just stop their. like somehow his mouth takes away from the quality of the music. and as for coldplay. they two are great. the quality of their songs is really astounding, their material is always strong, while they get better and better. chris martin is a brilliant musician, and johnny bucklands the most underrated guitarist around. they can play slow fast, watever i really dont care because its all good finally someone gets it right. Coldplay are the finest band out there at the moment and are one of the only bands out there doing it right. |
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Post by ethanwa79 on May 8, 2005 1:49:38 GMT -5
But what's especially great about Coldplay is how sometimes he plays his piano really fast, and sometimes really slow, but always boring. Just kidding. It's just that I hate Coldplay so much. They suck so bad I can't even believe it. Just a dumb comment above. Coldplay are great musicians, I don't see how you can deny that. Oasis is my favorite band, but Coldplay is pretty damn good. They aren't compareable though. |
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Post by IndianSummer on May 8, 2005 2:36:22 GMT -5
I really love Oasis, followed by bands like The Eagles, Coldplay, Dandy Warhols, Joe Walsh etc.
Coldplay is not a rockband, but still, they are the topband of the moment.
Hopefully Oasis can be in the same league with the new album.
If the mid 90's where Oasis-time, now it is Coldplay.
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Post by Chrisisawarmgun on May 8, 2005 3:40:28 GMT -5
Concerning coldplay, I think that Chris Martin is worried he's going to suffer the same fate as Liam and lose his great singing voice, because he's said in a couple interviews he's worried it'll just go and he'd rather leave at the top than on the way down...which I can respect him for. He's an incredible musician and songwriter, albeit not the greatest in terms of variety.
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Post by mctavernbuckle on May 8, 2005 4:43:12 GMT -5
I live in the States and every friend of mine that has been exposed to Oasis music loves 'em. Oasis still has a pretty solid following here in America and is having a bit of a resurgence thanks to Lyla and good album buzz. I chalk their lack of U2-like stardom over here to ignorance and Joe-American's dislike of cocky, swaggering Brit rock stars in today's "Matchbox 20" era of kiss-assing and blandness. But 10 years after they came out, Oasis still play pretty big venues here in the States. Big, but not as big as they deserve. They are really on the 2nd tier of rock acts and they belong on the first tier alongside U2, Coldplay, etc.
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Post by xxLIAMxx on May 8, 2005 5:13:38 GMT -5
im british and think that maybe coldplay are bigger over in the states are they get more tv coverage with chris martin being married to a famous actress.Coldplays new album was reviewed here 2 weeks ago and was said to be better than oasis one but i think thats just our anti oasis reporter.I think coldplays new song is ok but i'd hope theres stronger songs on the new album.
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Post by snowman on May 8, 2005 8:54:03 GMT -5
oasis makes great rock music. coldplay adds something oasis has always lacked - a political message. and for that, one band has my respect as rockers and the other as advocates.
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Post by Nazz on May 8, 2005 8:57:38 GMT -5
You have to keep in mind that Oasis came out of the whole "BritPop" phenomenon and BritPop is something that Americans just didn't get. If you have a look at the "Live Forever" doco you'll hear a comment about that generation of bands not really caring about success in America like previous generation of bands had.
None of the Britpop bands eg. Blur , Pulp , Suede , SuperGrass , Etc.. had much success in the States but they were huge in the U.K. There were also many fine bands from the past like The Smiths , Stone Roses , The Charlatans , New Order , The Jam etc..even The Pistols that had no success in America. And the one main reason generally given is that they sounded "too British" for American ears. I tend to agree.
Bands like Coldplay & U2 , though obviously having British influences do have a more universal "sound". Colplay are very melodic in a melancholy sort of way and I guess that gives many American shoegazers sumthing to listen too. They are the 'everyday's man' version of RadioHead.
I think that even if Oasis were to write a mega classic like "Wonderwall" or "DLBIA" again it probably wouldn't b that huge in the States , simply because their 'image' & personalities are so foreign to the 'average' American
that they wouldn't have that universal appeal that would guarantee them a hit over there.
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Post by nyr401994 on May 8, 2005 9:37:38 GMT -5
ive been an oasis fan for about 2 years. i found them by luck, downloading them by accident. my friends think their shit, but can't back it up coz they don't actually listen to anything outside of wonderwall. which they like anyway. but basically the point is, why isnt oasis bigger in america. people know them for w.w. and supernova, maybe live forever if their lucky. but what my fellow americans who are dumb enough to vote for bush don understand is the depth of their music. find me another artist who put out great bsides. our charts are awful all rap and pop and country. the only great band thats big over here is coldplay great point. i'm from new york, and see the exact same thing. most people now know champagne supernova because of a terrible cover that was in the o.c. |
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Post by nyr401994 on May 8, 2005 9:38:16 GMT -5
finally someone gets it right. Coldplay are the finest band out there at the moment and are one of the only bands out there doing it right. amen!!! i like you, gasda! |
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Post by wash25 on May 8, 2005 13:10:58 GMT -5
Oh ya!? Well, your comment was dumb!
Gee, that was productive...
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Post by mctavernbuckle on May 8, 2005 15:33:17 GMT -5
oasis makes great rock music. coldplay adds something oasis has always lacked - a political message. and for that, one band has my respect as rockers and the other as advocates. Meh. I'm not big on the whole "political message" thing. I listen to bands to hear good music--and tune them out when they start rambling on about politics. There are plenty of great political advocates out there that know a helluva lot more than rock stars. |
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Post by icarus on May 8, 2005 17:28:38 GMT -5
i disagree with almost everything said in this thread. first, oasis aren't big in america because theyre not promoted here. it has nothing to do with people liking shitty music. people like shitty music in the UK and oasis are still pretty popular. just because girls and wiggers and minorities, which themselves are 30% of the USA, mostly listen to rap and pop stuff, doesnt mean theyd normally listen to oasis anyways. if you put those people in the UK they still wouldnt listen to oasis. the UK still had popular girl and boy bands when the US did. rap is popular and the Uk right now like it is in the US. most people like this crap because its marketed and shoved down peoples throat on pop-radio clear channel radio and mtv.
most of oasis' songs, if actually marketed, would be hits here. it has nothing to do with sounding too british or not. the songs are good and thats all that matters.
theres plenty of great bands that have big fan following but dont have the commercial success they once had. for example, every 2 years pearl jam tours north america and europe and still sell out their large shows, but havent had a big hit or #1 album in like 10 years.
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Post by fju2112 on May 8, 2005 18:13:31 GMT -5
You're 100% right. The only reason there's a decent buzz about THIS album in the first place is because I believe it's Sony's last album w/ the band so they have to treat them with some actual respect this go-round and prove they can book decent venues, closer to 20,000 instead of the 8,000 or so capacity they've played to on the SOTSOG and HC tours. It's all about the people in charge and how much money and time they are willing to spend promoting a good band. You think Sony cares how honest the four songwriters in Oasis are, how fucking cool they are, how they're some of the last true rock stars on the planet? Of course not, they care about how much they think they'll sell based on focus groups and test listens. To them, everyone who liked Bush, Garbage, Smashing Pumpkins and Oasis, who wore Doc Marten's back in high school (like, erm, me...and yeah, I still do now...); their time is gone. It's time to hook the new generation of kids on what's considered cool NOW and then scrapping it all for the next pre-pubescent bitch who becomes famous because she's the most marketable. Look at Britney Spears now - she's already been chewed up and spat out by the music industry; now she's a pregnant white trash cow hick. Good riddance, they say; Jessica Simpson is doing just fine for us.
These are the reasons WE'RE all here on this message board - we're against all that, we like a real rock band and so few exist now. Liam was right in his recent interview (Mojo, was it?) - I"m paraphrasing here, but I believe he said something along the lines of, 'Coldplay get up on stage and basically apologize for being so huge and famous. Me, I want to go on stage and to have people know that they could never be like me' - which sounds exactly like something he said back in 96; can't find the exact quote right now.
I agree, I think if Oasis' songs were marketed the right way here, everyone would be in love with this band. The record companies control what's played on the air, that's why Lyla is being requested so much. Liam still wouldn't shut his mouth, and some people would still be turned off by it, but overall, they'd have an immense amount of popularity compared to what it is now, if only they were marketed the right way.
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Post by turnupthetruth on May 8, 2005 18:16:24 GMT -5
Oasis are not big in the US because:
MTV doesn't profit from the sale of there records.
Oasis doesn't make Christian music (for all the bible freaks who control the radio).
Most teens/kids (even white ones in rich neighborhoods) either listen to horrible country music or God aweful hip hop.
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Post by icarus on May 8, 2005 18:30:41 GMT -5
Oasis are not big in the US because: MTV doesn't profit from the sale of there records. Oasis doesn't make Christian music (for all the bible freaks who control the radio). Most teens/kids (even white ones in rich neighborhoods) either listen to horrible country music or God aweful hip hop. i dont know if you live in the US, but i'm a college student and out of the thousands of kids i know or have met, not one listens to country music. yes a lot of kids listen to hip hop, but mostly girls and meatheads. i dont mean to make this racial, but most white guys and at least half of girls listen to rock or some type of rock. theres plenty of rock radio stations. regarding your other point, i dont know one single rock radio station that places christian music. you may be talking about some region of the country, but you shouldnt generalize so much. what christan bands have been big? switchfoot had 1 hit, and i know someone in the UK who said the song was being played over there too. who else? creed? they were big everywhere and theyre dead now. |
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Post by snowman on May 8, 2005 20:03:16 GMT -5
Meh. I'm not big on the whole "political message" thing. I listen to bands to hear good music--and tune them out when they start rambling on about politics. There are plenty of great political advocates out there that know a helluva lot more than rock stars. you're right, oasis will never be like the stones or bob dylan. coldplay however, has a very good chance of being remembered one day not just cos of their music but the content of their music. it is people like you that oasis has to pander to. those people who don't care about the content as long as the noise sounds right. that's what's lacking in most music in the modern age -- nothing to bitch about cos no one wants to hear the ills of society. |
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Post by helmet959 on May 8, 2005 20:43:49 GMT -5
you know what, i love this board and i love oasis but...
stop beating the fuck out of how much you hate hip-hop, good hip-hop/rap exists in this country, its not played on the radio though, just like good rock music exists outside the radio/MTV realm (oasis for example)
sayin 50 Cent is good rap is like sayin Nickelback or Creed is a good rock band, fuck that
its not just on this thread, but i must've read at least a thousand times on this oasis forum and others about how "all rap sucks" "hiphop is stupid, i don't get it" "rappers are idiots" etc etc
is it maybe that you don't understand where the music/expression form comes from? or maybe you just don't care to know and find the meaning...
if there's one thing i can't tolerate, it's cultural ignorance, fuck off!
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Post by gasda on May 8, 2005 20:54:58 GMT -5
nonono. the reason this board gets so much anti rap stuff is because rap is so bad. theres no melody or real music. and if thats cultural expression than fuck culture because its dead
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Post by gasda on May 8, 2005 20:57:13 GMT -5
o and creed is a joke. pearl jams bad and their a bad pearl jam. oasis is not very popular here because of bad marketing partly, but thats just a reflection of the poor mainstream tastes
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Post by thebluesgnr on May 8, 2005 21:01:04 GMT -5
you're right, oasis will never be like the stones or bob dylan. coldplay however, has a very good chance of being remembered one day not just cos of their music but the content of their music. it is people like you that oasis has to pander to. those people who don't care about the content as long as the noise sounds right. that's what's lacking in most music in the modern age -- nothing to bitch about cos no one wants to hear the ills of society. I'm sorry but you're way off pal. Just because a piece of music doesn't have a political meaning to it doesn't mean it's "noise". Please go listen to Oasis (songs like "Don't Go Away") and tell me again it's just noise. What our modern society is lacking is people realizing how politics affects their lifes. However that has nothing to do with music, most good music out there is timeless and will always touch people in a way, and 99% of it is not political. I don't need music to express or form my political opinions. |
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Post by mctavernbuckle on May 8, 2005 21:17:09 GMT -5
you're right, oasis will never be like the stones or bob dylan. coldplay however, has a very good chance of being remembered one day not just cos of their music but the content of their music. it is people like you that oasis has to pander to. those people who don't care about the content as long as the noise sounds right. that's what's lacking in most music in the modern age -- nothing to bitch about cos no one wants to hear the ills of society. Is Coldplay's music really that political? Give me a break! Go listen to Rage Against the Machine if you want to hear poorly-aimed political diatribes. I can read Newsweek and Time to keep up to date with the "ills of society"--I don't need to hear it from Oasis and Coldplay. |
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