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Post by lango79 on Apr 21, 2005 17:49:35 GMT -5
was just wondering, is it just me or was the slating of be here now, uncalled for, when it was released, even now it gets slated by journos and so called oasis fans!!! i think it is still one of their best albums, and was alot better than the dark-slow " standing on the shoulder of giants" even though that was a good album!! in its own right!! even liam commented on the live forever documentary that he still liked the be here now album!!!  anythoughts fellow oasis buddies!!! by the way i,m sure the new oasis album will be wicked... have they let us down so far!!!!!  |
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Post by Gifford on Apr 21, 2005 18:13:33 GMT -5
oh my god darkwing duck? i have all his toys-the motorcycle, 2 of his jets with the big beaks and 3 videotapes, where after the show they have a darkwing duck dance. its a bunch of street kids doing early 90s breakdancing to a rap song about darkwing and its interlaced with shots from the cartoon. he still is the greatest
but be here now, if you like the rocking tunes then its yer favorite. i dont think theres a person on this site who doesnt like that album. yea, some of the songs go on for too long but its a super duper album.
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Post by Gifford on Apr 21, 2005 18:20:40 GMT -5
lets get dangerous was his catchphrase
and there was "I am the terror that flaps in the night. I am the winged scourge that pecks at your nightmares. I am... Darkwing Duck!"
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Post by LiveForever on Apr 21, 2005 19:04:16 GMT -5
It's a great album!! About the "too long songs": they are always great i think, but when you have some good weed that you can smoke, it makes it much , much better!  |
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Post by iamthewalrus on Apr 21, 2005 19:08:36 GMT -5
hehe everything sounds better with some good happy smoke! ;D
About bhn....i have to say thats the album that really made me love oasis and I still listen to that album all the time...I think it's excellent!
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Post by gastritispanic on Apr 21, 2005 19:11:00 GMT -5
It's a great album!! About the "too long songs": they are always great i think, but when you have some good weed that you can smoke, it makes it much , much better! Yeah! "Pappa smokes the pipe, of a sweet and better life" Deep purple |
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Post by rtilden on Apr 21, 2005 19:13:41 GMT -5
I found BHN was a grower album. I didn't like it at first, except for SBM, DGA & AATW, but after a few listens, it definately grew on me.
Good record, unfairly slagged, songs too long for the casual rock fan, and I think that's why it doesn't get the respect it deserves.
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Post by jobero on Apr 21, 2005 19:53:58 GMT -5
This discussion has been held many, many, many times on this board alone and it pops up again! ;D
Without going into too much detail (as like i say it has been discussed many times before) I really like the album, I listened to it all the way through the other week for the first time in a long time. Yes, some of the songs are too long you can't argue with that but like I say I really like it. 'Dyer Know What I Mean?' is a real tune i never liked it at first but love hearing it now, especially Noel's acoustic version in Dublin back in 97, 'Dont Go Away' is a very touching song and something I never thought Oasis could pull off, 'Stand By Me' is a great song and still sounds fresh today, 'All Around The World' is just too long, if it was shorter it would be much better imo, There are some other great songs on it, 'I Hope, I Think, I Know' is such an energetic song it makes you feel 10 feet tall and it was a real shame that this was the song the band decided not to play live on the Be Here Now tour that followed the album. If I could switch a song it would be 'Stay Young' with 'Magic Pie', this was a close call according to Noel as to which one went on the album but I really think that SY would have suited the album more than MP but then I guess there would have been no apperance from Noel on the album, maybe that's why it's on there? Naughty Noel! ;D
Basically I just think the album could never live up to the hype after D.Maybe and Morning Glory, simple as.
btw, did I say I wouldn't go into detail? lol ;D
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Post by bedwetter_v2 on Apr 21, 2005 19:58:59 GMT -5
Yes!! Don't Go Away!!
Sorry if anyone of you heard me shouting DGA again today...
But what a great song, my fav...
It has a mesmorizing drum loop at the beginning, Liam's breathtaking vocal performance, his best by far and most emotional yet, added with the Chief's great hook and then his groovy solo, and ended with the obligatory acosutic guitar outro, all brought together by krazy lyrics and rocking rhythm... all of Oasis' best elements rolled into one song...
hopefully, people can call me the guy that likes DGA the most
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Post by Quazerdale on Apr 21, 2005 20:55:08 GMT -5
I'm in the minority that doesn't like the album. The only song I like from the album is D'you know what I mean. A big factor is that cool video.
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Post by SlideAway on Apr 21, 2005 22:50:35 GMT -5
It's okay. Doesnt' deserve the bashing it gets in the press, but also doesn't merit 5 stars in my opinion.
Be Here Now is a record that is a lot of fun. The tunes are energeting, Liam's voice is in top shape, and there are some great songs: D'You Know What I Mean?, Stand By Me, It's Gettin' Better (Man!!), and Don't Go Away.
But overall the songs are too long and overproduced. Plus the songwriting is pretty lazy. Lyrically it's easily the worst Oasis album. Aside from Stand By Me and Don't Go Away, the lyrics largely mean nothing - they're just power statements by Noel or nonsensical lyrics. DM and MG had those nonsensical rockers too, but they were balanced by songs with more depth. Be Here Now has very little depth. It's a good feel-good pub rock record. That's all. And if you take it for what it is, it's good.
But don't expect the energy or emotion of Definitely Maybe or Morning Glory. Even if Oasis isn't known for being a very "deep" band, MG and DM definitely had some depth, which BHN didn't have.
And the songs are too long. Magic Pie attempts to be a new Champagne Supernova but gets boring after 3 1/2 minutes. All Around the World is way too long and pretty boring. The whole big All-You-Need-is-Love-style orchestral pop thing had already been tried with Whatever, and done to a FAR better effect.
Also, the "mushy"-overproduced mix makes a couple tracks too overbearing. It would have benefited with a more spacious, less mushy sound. And as good as Stand By Me is, it should've been a folksy-acoustic. When it's been performed like that live, it's a lot better.
All in all, a underrated, but good-if-flawed record.
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Post by jobero on Apr 21, 2005 23:34:37 GMT -5
It's okay. Doesnt' deserve the bashing it gets in the press, but also doesn't merit 5 stars in my opinion. Be Here Now is a record that is a lot of fun. The tunes are energeting, Liam's voice is in top shape, and there are some great songs: D'You Know What I Mean?, Stand By Me, It's Gettin' Better (Man!!), and Don't Go Away. But overall the songs are too long and overproduced. Plus the songwriting is pretty lazy. Lyrically it's easily the worst Oasis album. Aside from Stand By Me and Don't Go Away, the lyrics largely mean nothing - they're just power statements by Noel or nonsensical lyrics. DM and MG had those nonsensical rockers too, but they were balanced by songs with more depth. Be Here Now has very little depth. It's a good feel-good pub rock record. That's all. And if you take it for what it is, it's good. But don't expect the energy or emotion of Definitely Maybe or Morning Glory. Even if Oasis isn't known for being a very "deep" band, MG and DM definitely had some depth, which BHN didn't have. And the songs are too long. Magic Pie attempts to be a new Champagne Supernova but gets boring after 3 1/2 minutes. All Around the World is way too long and pretty boring. The whole big All-You-Need-is-Love-style orchestral pop thing had already been tried with Whatever, and done to a FAR better effect. Also, the "mushy"-overproduced mix makes a couple tracks too overbearing. It would have benefited with a more spacious, less mushy sound. And as good as Stand By Me is, it should've been a folksy-acoustic. When it's been performed like that live, it's a lot better. All in all, a underrated, but good-if-flawed record. Nice analysis SlideAway ;D |
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Post by MSprague01 on Apr 21, 2005 23:56:16 GMT -5
That's an interesting point about an acoustic version of Stand By Me. It did sound damn good when they did it by the pool for MTV.
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Post by jtmOBX on Apr 22, 2005 0:28:20 GMT -5
BHN is an exceptional album, for any band that has not previously created DM or WTS(MG),
For Oasis it was a transitional album, them finding where they are and where they need to go.
To anyone who says its not a ace album is so full of shit, honestly the worst album ever??? WHAT THE FUCK (aside from Up In The Sky did DM say). Saying nothing beside this is ROCK N (FUCKING) ROLL is Oasis ever been about.
Oasis has carried the same appreciation for rock through out their carrier, and produced albums that state what they stand for and this is why they remain the most mega rock band to date.
As for being overproduced, have you even seen the Doc of DM. That album was recorded to the point of being over kill.
DO NOT COMPARE THIS ALBUM TO DM, OASIS (as the time and everything else) HAS UNDENIABLY CHANGED! WAKE UP, THEY ARE STILL PRODUCING (different) BUT MEGA TUNES. THIS WILL (undeniably) BE THEIR BEST ALBUM SINCE WTS(MG) or their ultimate let down.
But from what I have seen this is tops no doubt.
Please tell me how you feel, as I have spilled my heart to the utmost degree on Oasis. I respect EVERYONEs opinion, as long as its educated and insightful.
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Post by mimmihopps on Apr 22, 2005 0:48:07 GMT -5
it's a good album with great lyrics.
i love it as much as DM and MG.
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Post by brumoscardo on Apr 22, 2005 1:46:54 GMT -5
BHN is awesome.
I remember back on the days of the anticipation and then DYKWIM? came out. It made me stick to this band forever.
And what about the tour? One of their best tours ever. They reached the top with that album. They even played in Hong Kong. BHN made Oasis own the fucking world mate!
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Post by Black Rebel Motorcycle Pixie. on Apr 22, 2005 1:59:53 GMT -5
I LOVE Be Here Now. And I don't understand how anyone (with a reasonable music taste) could dislike it.
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Post by Clint on Apr 22, 2005 2:40:50 GMT -5
I don't know. It's great. The loud overproduced sound hits you hard and I love it. It's just a loud rock record. It's great. The songs are brilliant. Full of energy. It could have been better with a track like Stay Young, but it's still a great Rock record.
Then SOSOG came and it was completely different, but I loved it despite some poor track choices (If that album lacked two meh tracks and got One Way Road and Let's all make believe, it WOULD be critically hailed)
But yeah, love BHN
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Post by Nicola on Apr 22, 2005 2:50:44 GMT -5
Be Here Now was excellent, i loved that era and i still do.
Its got some good memories for me, like i had just went and chose my bling diamond engagement ring and went back into the car and All around the world came on, it always reminds me of that day. Okay, thats a bit soft but the gigs were wild back then too, anyone at the gig were they walked off in Glasgow cos Bonehead got hit with a bottle ?
I was there, that was a wild night. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2005 3:16:03 GMT -5
if any other band released it with great tunes like stand by me dont go away dykwim aatw its gettin better man they woulda been hailed as the secomd comin, but after the hype of wtsmg critics bashed it imo ITS A GREAT LP |
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Post by elDiego on Apr 22, 2005 3:48:29 GMT -5
be here now: best album, best era, best tour and remember the kickin' b sides: stay young I got the fever flaxback the fame it makes me feel young and happy again  and after that, the SOTSOG era and tour was very sad for me... |
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Post by Tycoon on Apr 22, 2005 5:35:56 GMT -5
Get rid of Magic Pie, TGITDS, Fade In/Out and AATW (Reprise) and put on The Masterplan, Going Nowhere and Stay Young. A new running order would be: 1. DYKWIM 2. MBM 3. SY 4. SBM (Acoustic, 3 minutes) 5. GN 6. IHITIK 7. BHN 8. DGA 9. AATW 10. IGBM 11. TM According to iTunes, the running order would be 61.42, which is still a little long. Perhaps drop IHITIK and shorten DYKWIM by a minute or 2. P.S. Can anyone send me the acoustic version of SBM (from the BBC Promo) to leeclaxton2004@yahoo.co.uk . |
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Post by Moorish on Apr 22, 2005 5:49:32 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I love Oasis but them releasing Be Here Now in the state they did is the equivalent of missing an open goal in the World Cup Final. They had everything at their feet, another great album would have sealed the deal and made them the biggest band in the world (for more than 10 mins) -- and they blew it. I'm sorry but they did.
Be Here Now is an album with some great songs on it that are drowned in a mire of noise, over-production and generally just Noel loving his own stuff to the point where it goes on and on and on and ON. I mean did It's Gettin' Better (Man!!) need to be 7 minutes long? (bearing in mind it comes right after a song that goes on for 9 MINUTES??) Inside IGBM's bloated production is a nifty 4-and-a-half minute rock song trying to get out. There is just TOO MUCH of everything. My Big Mouth is a piercing insight into the effects of mega-stardom that loses it's point because it is buried under a ton of guitar wailing (I actually would have taken MBM off the record for Stay Young, but there you go). I Hope, I Think, I Know is the weakest song on the album that tries to sound better by just being LOUD.
There is precious little light and shade on the record. The end of Don't Go Away and the first minute or so of All Around The World are the only moments on the album where you aren't being sonically bludgeoned. Other Oasis albums have their rockers but they also remember to have some soul in there, or some changes of pace. Be Here Now has too little of that.
They are also, hands down, the worst lyrics Noel has ever written - just nonsense for a lot of the time, some of which Liam can rescue with his great delivery (he comes out best from the album if you ask me, he sings brilliantly on it), but a lot of which just gets overbearing after a while. Far too many Beatles references that just gave ammunition to the band's haters who saw them as Fab Four wannabes. They lost themselves amid all the noise and confusion of that record, and not in a good way.
Sorry if it seems like I've ranted on about this. But the disappointment of that album is still with me; it could have been great (and the seeds ARE there in that album; it COULD have been another MG), but instead it was a mess. I can't believe no one at the time sat down with Noel and said "seriously Noel, these tunes are just too fuckin' long and overproduced!" I wish they had.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2005 6:13:14 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I love Oasis but them releasing Be Here Now in the state they did is the equivalent of missing an open goal in the World Cup Final. They had everything at their feet, another great album would have sealed the deal and made them the biggest band in the world (for more than 10 mins) -- and they blew it. I'm sorry but they did. Be Here Now is an album with some great songs on it that are drowned in a mire of noise, over-production and generally just Noel loving his own stuff to the point where it goes on and on and on and ON. I mean did It's Gettin' Better (Man!!) need to be 7 minutes long? (bearing in mind it comes right after a song that goes on for 9 MINUTES??) Inside IGBM's bloated production is a nifty 4-and-a-half minute rock song trying to get out. There is just TOO MUCH of everything. My Big Mouth is a piercing insight into the effects of mega-stardom that loses it's point because it is buried under a ton of guitar wailing (I actually would have taken MBM off the record for Stay Young, but there you go). I Hope, I Think, I Know is the weakest song on the album that tries to sound better by just being LOUD. There is precious little light and shade on the record. The end of Don't Go Away and the first minute or so of All Around The World are the only moments on the album where you aren't being sonically bludgeoned. Other Oasis albums have their rockers but they also remember to have some soul in there, or some changes of pace. Be Here Now has too little of that. They are also, hands down, the worst lyrics Noel has ever written - just nonsense for a lot of the time, some of which Liam can rescue with his great delivery (he comes out best from the album if you ask me, he sings brilliantly on it), but a lot of which just gets overbearing after a while. Far too many Beatles references that just gave ammunition to the band's haters who saw them as Fab Four wannabes. They lost themselves amid all the noise and confusion of that record, and not in a good way. Sorry if it seems like I've ranted on about this. But the disappointment of that album is still with me; it could have been great (and the seeds ARE there in that album; it COULD have been another MG), but instead it was a mess. I can't believe no one at the time sat down with Noel and said "seriously Noel, these tunes are just too fuckin' long and overproduced!" I wish they had. thats a great point...but thats what makes them so special...yes they mucked it up .yes the overproduced. yet we all are still here cause we know they will get right..as dbtt proves that was a quality post |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2005 6:16:20 GMT -5
and i will tell u wat lisa i love bhn but thats me ,but u are dead right if someone sat NOEL down and said they are overproduced and he took 2 minutes off DYKWIM AATW ITS GETTIN BETTER MAN, MAGIC PIE,it would have been radio freindly and another smash
good points lisa
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anythoughts fellow oasis buddies!!! by the way i,m sure the new oasis album will be wicked... have they let us down so far!!!!! 
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