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Post by lionsden® on Apr 13, 2005 13:28:05 GMT -5
If she does get elected God help us, but I don't think she will.
I have noticed that she has started to change some of her views in areas to attract more moderates
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Post by wash25 on Apr 13, 2005 13:31:08 GMT -5
Ya she's like, pro-military, anti-immigration all of a sudden. If the GOP doesn't nominate a top-notch candidate, she'll win and win big.
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Post by globe on Apr 13, 2005 13:44:02 GMT -5
yeah its great to see politics being discussed on here for once! shame about the amount of complete and utter bollox people are coming out with... i suppose it started badly with Noel's comments - was it just me, or did he actually imply that Tony Blair is a credible leader? wait gimme a minute- i might stop laughing soon.... Soooo, tell me DS, whos gonna get your vote on May 5th? |
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Post by daysleeper on Apr 13, 2005 14:16:46 GMT -5
Soooo, tell me DS, whos gonna get your vote on May 5th? i was thinking i'd wipe my arse on the ballot paper and go with whoever got the biggest smear over their name....  ah only kidding - im very pro-vote but sadly my city is a labour stronghold and voting is pretty pointless. id be gobsmacked is labour didnt win it. i will still vote though of course! its strange because my city has been a shithole for years - yet everyone still votes for the same councillors and politicians who've fucked it up year after year after year.... its as if the voters are offered gold in one hand and shit in the other and they say "oh give me that shit again! none of your gold nonsense. i want shit so i can complain about it all day. gives me something to live for" sorry but a lot of people round here really do think like that.... anyway - to answer the question. i will vote conservative. they are the only party who give power to the people. all the rest want to give power to the government |
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Post by albertzz on Apr 13, 2005 15:50:51 GMT -5
It is so yesterday cuz look, and I'll prove it to you: You ask people in polls: THERE IS A TERRORIST NUCLEAR THREAT, WHICH POLITICAL LEADER DO YOU WANT LEADING THE COUNTRY? YOU ARE DYING AND YOU HAVE TO ENTRUST A POLITICIAN WITH YOUR CHILDREN, WHO'S IT GONNA BE? YOU'RE HANGING ON A CLIFF ON TOP OF A POOL OF MOLTEN LAVA, WHICH POLITICIAN WOULD YOU TRUST TO PERSONALLY SAVE YOUR LIFE? ANSWER: Before Iraq: Tony Blair, Tony Blair, Tony Blair. After Iraq: Tony Blair, Tony Blair, Tony Blair. Hence, therefore, thus, Iraq is soooooooo yesterday. That is a good point! No seriously that is a very good point. However, that is not how people SHOULD view the issue. The person who protects you most from terror is not someone who goes and spends a lot of money on a war with a country that was not a threat and decreases spending money on ensuring Russian stockpiles are properly defended and destroyed or you know, attacking a country that is actually a threat, but your point remains, if only because people are dumb |
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Post by albertzz on Apr 13, 2005 15:57:13 GMT -5
I don't know what exactly you mean by "power to the people" daysleeper - if you mean direct democracy I don't like that b/c people are too busy and so you'll just have very few people "participating " anmely those with vested interests and so it'll be disproportionate - also I like the idea of people with knowledge making decision - I know nothing about energy - I shouldn't be making decisions about i
with regard to the guiliani thing I don't like him at all - he's ridding off the fact that he HAPPENED to be mayor during 9/11 - if a cat was mayor at that time they would have loved him too
and as for crime going down in nyc - correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he do this mainly by throwing the homeless in jail with more police officers than canada has soldiers and the crime rate went down around the US so he can't be responsible for it
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Post by Noel's Barmy Army on Apr 13, 2005 16:04:08 GMT -5
id like to see blair and bush in front of a court for breaking international law and illegally killing thousands of iraqis i hate both of them with a passion  |
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Post by DixonHill on Apr 13, 2005 16:16:59 GMT -5
id like to see blair and bush in front of a court for breaking international law and illegally killing thousands of iraqis i hate both of them with a passion so i take it you're not voting labour? |
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Post by wash25 on Apr 13, 2005 16:20:13 GMT -5
See, I think you're thinking that they answer TONY BLAIR because they think Blair did the right thing with respect to Iraq, which, by your reasoning, makes them "dumb."
But it's not that. It's not that they don't think Tony Blair made a mistake, it's that, despite his mistake (real or perceived), they STILL trust him.
Now, if you think they're dumb for THAT, well then that's fair enough. I mean, reasonable people can disagree on that.
It's kind of like BE HERE NOW. I mean, how shit was that? Then SOTSOG.
But, cuz he has a reservoir of support he built up with DM and WTSMG, we still trust in Noel.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2005 16:30:35 GMT -5
so i take it you're not voting labour? DIX did the reds get thru?  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2005 16:40:24 GMT -5
DIX did the reds get thru? JUST FOUND OUT ..UP THE REDS L-I-V-E-R-P-O-O-L- L-I-V-E-R-P-O-O-L  ...all english semi ..the spring gets better |
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Post by drunken guitar pop on Apr 13, 2005 16:41:58 GMT -5
id like to see blair and bush in front of a court for breaking international law and illegally killing thousands of iraqis i hate both of them with a passion Yeah. They killed thousands of Iraqis. With no insurgents involved. With a butcher knife. I was there and saw the whole thing.  |
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Post by DixonHill on Apr 13, 2005 16:45:25 GMT -5
JUST FOUND OUT ..UP THE REDS L-I-V-E-R-P-O-O-L- L-I-V-E-R-P-O-O-L ...all english semi ..the spring gets better yeah, was great. we owe Chelsea a few too man. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2005 16:47:19 GMT -5
yeah, was great. we owe Chelsea a few too man. keep it goin mate THE REDS CAN TAKE THE RUSSIAN MONEY MACHINE OUT  ..i smell a cup ;D |
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Post by albertzz on Apr 13, 2005 16:52:40 GMT -5
keep it goin mate THE REDS CAN TAKE THE RUSSIAN MONEY MACHINE OUT ..i smell a cup ;D I hope so, I really really hope so. What a nerve-racking game though! With regard to the iraq war as was being said, it's true it'swas illegal - and I think it was the wrong war or at least too soon (the inspectors said give us 2 more months) but Kerrry's stance came across as so confused that who are you going to trust the guy who drove you into the ditch or the guy who wanted to be driving and kept aiming for the ditch before thinking about jumpintout of the car and then swerving ar ound and then aiming for the ditch again - at least you know with the guy heading for the ditch where you'll end up nawyhere wash25 (sorry if I got your name wrong) I did mean the latter and I guess blair has goodwill stored up - I have a lot of good will for the guy - II just think that was a mistake and is something to jduge him on- does it outweigh his past goodisms I don't think so, but I was just saying that it should factor into your judgment - I think w might be saying the same thing now |
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Post by Noel's Barmy Army on Apr 13, 2005 16:57:39 GMT -5
Yeah. They killed thousands of Iraqis. With no insurgents involved. With a butcher knife. I was there and saw the whole thing. It's poorly informed individuals like you who know nothing about the machinations of government and international law that make me despair at the very thought of universal suffrage. Go and read something about the culpability of nation state leaders in regards to international conflicts. Until then I suggest you refrain from casting your aspersions upon my posts. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2005 16:59:22 GMT -5
It's poorly informed individuals like you who know nothing about the machinations of government and international law that make me despair at the very thought of universal suffrage. Go and read something about the culpability of nation state leaders in regards to international conflicts. Until then I suggest you refrain from casting your aspersions upon my posts. come on barmy,dont let posters opinions get to ya  ;D there is the pot callin the kettle black |
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Post by albertzz on Apr 13, 2005 17:03:29 GMT -5
Well technically he's right
technically the Iraq war was illegal
It was a war crime - an act of aggression - or = since Bush loves the word so much - technically international terrorism
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Post by Noel's Barmy Army on Apr 13, 2005 17:07:59 GMT -5
just because blair and bush didnt actually physically kill them, it doesnt make them any less culpable
basically drunken pop guitar knows nothing about the situation apart from what he may have read in the right wing gutter press and it infuriates me when low brow, ill informed individuals attempt to cheapen the lives of the 20,000 innocent iraqi civilians killed by military intervention in Iraq.
on the other hand albertzz is a man who knows his stuff
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Post by DixonHill on Apr 13, 2005 17:09:43 GMT -5
just because blair and bush didnt actually physically kill them, it doesnt make them any less culpable basically drunken pop guitar knows nothing about the situation apart from what he may have read in the right wing gutter press and it infuriates me when low brow, ill informed individuals attempt to cheapen the lives of the 20,000 innocent iraqi civilians killed by military intervention in Iraq. on the other hand albertzz is a man who knows his stuff how many did Saddam Hussein kill? |
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Post by DixonHill on Apr 13, 2005 17:10:31 GMT -5
keep it goin mate THE REDS CAN TAKE THE RUSSIAN MONEY MACHINE OUT ..i smell a cup ;D hope so mate. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2005 17:11:57 GMT -5
NOW THIS TOPIC IS GETTIN A BIT HEATED MATES ..LETS TALK OASIS |
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Post by Noel's Barmy Army on Apr 13, 2005 17:17:22 GMT -5
how many did Saddam Hussein kill? saddam hussein supposedly killed bout 1m iraqis between 1979 - 2003 however: sanctions 1991 - 2003 UN figures - 1.7m Iraqis dead as a direct result of US and UK sanctions Its a fictitious thing to do to compare the two but basically the US and UK are responsible for nearly twice as many dead iraqis as saddam was in half the time. u cant justify the war on the basis that 'saddam was a bad, nasty man' its the kind of argument you'd expect from an under-developed child who is unable to grasp complex arguments (no particular personal offence is intended to you dixonhill ) |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2005 17:20:14 GMT -5
saddam hussein supposedly killed bout 1m iraqis between 1979 - 2003 however: sanctions 1991 - 2003 UN figures - 1.7m Iraqis dead as a direct result of US and UK sanctions Its a fictitious thing to do to compare the two but basically the US and UK are responsible for nearly twice as many dead iraqis as saddam was in half the time. u cant justify the war on the basis that 'saddam was a bad, nasty man' its the kind of argument you'd expect from an under-developed child who is unable to grasp complex arguments (no particular personal offence is intended to you dixonhill ) DAMN BARMY u are passionate here ,do u hate americans geezer ,no disrespec but u seem uptight on this |
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Post by daysleeper on Apr 13, 2005 17:23:53 GMT -5
on the other hand albertzz is a man who knows his stuff is that because he agrees with you? i think dixonhill makes the only point that really matters - how many of his own people did saddam hussein have to kill for the world to finally act? until the UN grows some balls (and personally i dont think it can for a long time yet because the world just isnt ready for multilateral solutions to these problems- too many people are pulling in different directions) countries are going to act however they want in order to protect or enhance their own interests international terrorism? was it bollox. it was war. |
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