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Post by webm@ster on Dec 27, 2004 21:49:47 GMT -5
Taken from the Google Oasis Group board, posted by giquel@nospam.fr .................................................................................... After studying this newsgroupe for a while, and sp. the HC reviews, I came into the conclusion that it is mostly populated, sadly, by Oasis idiot fans. The Oasis idiot is easy to track. Here's a few pointers : 1/ The Oasis idiot fan lives in the past, about 7 years ago. he cannot get the 1994/1996 Oasis hype out of his otherwise empty head, and therefore believe that WTSMG is a "classic" album when actually there is only about "4 good tracks on it", dixit the man Noel himself. 2/ The Oasis idiot fans as been raised to the Oasis early singles, which were simple, catchy tunes, that resonated to anyone at the first listening. He therefores believe that this kind of tune is instant "classic", and any tune that needs to grow on you, like most of the new album, just is "below par". Of course, the Oasis idiot fan doesn't realise that musicians usually write catchy & simple tunes at their beginnings because they are still learning their craft. If they continue to write the same stuff, it usually means they are selling out, because they are capable of much better and richer tunes. If they challenge themselves in the writing department, then they are usually slagged (see John Lydon and his PIL stuff, about 800 fucking % times better than any Pistols, but metal box was lagged at the time it came out, even thought it's been since ripped off by many bands like U2) 3/ The Oasis idiot fan doesn't like SOTSOG, and thinks it lacks any classic, not realising that Gas Panic ! or fuckin in the bushes kick the ass of any early wanky song like Wonderwall. 4/ The Oasis idiot fan don't get hyped on the new album because Oasis isn't "new". Oasis is yesterday's news story, the band is past 10 years old, and therefore, the Oasis idiot fan will never realise this band is a thousand fucking times better in it's new incarnation, because all the Oasis idiot fan care's about his hype, not music. So the Oasis idiot fan will prefer shit like the strokes, because it's being hyped as new. The Oasis fan is a kleenex fan. Once used, then trown away. 5/ The Oasis idiot fan complain HC sucks, when it's Oasis best album to date. He also complains Noel is growing old, as well as Liam, because he lives in a antasy world where he would like his icons to stay as they are, forever never changing. Thank you for your time. R groups.google.com.ar/groups?q=oasis&hl=es&lr=&selm=3CB8B298.2377057E%40nospam.fr&rnum=2 |
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Post by nyr401994 on Dec 27, 2004 23:33:57 GMT -5
may i add these are the same people who still want alan drumming, not the best rock drummer in music today, zak starkey (don't get me started on tony, putting tony behind a drumset is like putting mariah carey in front of a movie camera- both horrid results)...
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Post by PartlyCloudlike on Dec 28, 2004 0:28:04 GMT -5
I agree with most but not all of that list (I consider WTSMG a classic album). But there are a lot of idiot Oasis fans out there, many of them on the Oasisinet forums.
Personally the fans that are most annoying are those who claim Oasis went downhill because Bonehead and Guigsy left. OK, I like them and I believe they made their contributions to Oasis, but you're giving those two far too much credit if you attribute Oasis' "downfall" to their departure.
Also I don't care for inarticulate Oasis fans who call other bands "shite" without so much as an explanation, or Oasis fans who declare Americans stupid because Oasis aren't big in the US. As an American Oasis fan, shit like that gets on my nerves.
Oasis is a great great band. But some of their fans are fucking numbskulls. It's true that you can say that about any band but that doesn't change my point of view on the matter.
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Post by webm@ster on Dec 28, 2004 0:41:36 GMT -5
I agree with most but not all of that list (I consider WTSMG a classic album). But there are a lot of idiot Oasis fans out there, many of them on the Oasisinet forums. Personally the fans that are most annoying are those who claim Oasis went downhill because Bonehead and Guigsy left. OK, I like them and I believe they made their contributions to Oasis, but you're giving those two far too much credit if you attribute Oasis' "downfall" to their departure. Also I don't care for inarticulate Oasis fans who call other bands "shite" without so much as an explanation, or Oasis fans who declare Americans stupid because Oasis aren't big in the US. As an American Oasis fan, shit like that gets on my nerves. Oasis is a great great band. But some of their fans are fucking numbskulls. It's true that you can say that about any band but that doesn't change my point of view on the matter. thanks for your input and welcome to the forum ... |
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Post by caro on Dec 28, 2004 3:23:47 GMT -5
what a stupid study...  i could argue every single point but i won't waste my time... ;D  |
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Post by Clint on Dec 28, 2004 3:26:59 GMT -5
I don't like HC that much. Am I an idiot?
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Post by caro on Dec 28, 2004 3:44:07 GMT -5
the idiot is the guy who makes some general statements on people who are different, who think different and who might enjoy different periods of oasis music... for myself i find it funny that i don't agree with every single thing he says... but everyone is free to prefer early stuff to recent stuff without being acused of living in the past... and all this hype thing is so stupid...i don't think that people who like oasis care about hype because let's be realistic:oasis is no longer hype ;D and i think i prefer that...today people like them for what they are: a band which still makes good music... ;D |
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Post by caro on Dec 28, 2004 3:46:30 GMT -5
i forgot to say that i truly LOVE gas panic!  great great song...unusual for oasis but great |
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Post by LDD- Angelic Child on Dec 28, 2004 4:36:55 GMT -5
Sorry but i struggle putting Oasis albums into my favourite order... i love all of them
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Post by Currian on Dec 28, 2004 6:09:16 GMT -5
Haha. I won't consider this seriously since the guy is writing thrown without an 'h'.
I think SOTSOG was a good album, but WTSMG was way better. I liked Gas Panic, I loved Where did it all go wrong and Sunday Morning Call. Fuckin' in the Bushes is not my favourite kind of sport, especially not now there's snow outside. But it had a good tune and is a fine intro. HC was a great album, Little by Little, Force of Nature, SCYHO, She's Love were great, the rest was just above mediocrity. I think WTSMG is the best album cause I can listen to it a whole day non-stop without thinking: 'shite, there's that song again.' That's just it.
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Post by rob on Dec 28, 2004 9:54:03 GMT -5
oh fuck! it appears that im an "idiot fan"
except i do like sotsog and hc
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Post by Currian on Dec 28, 2004 11:08:32 GMT -5
But he thinks Wonderwall is a wanky song? Man he must be some fat guy who can't get a girl so he gets a callgirl and goes Fuckin in the Bushes, and because he's so lonely he's always aware of Gas Panic. That must be it. Bweegh.  |
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Post by flashbax812 on Dec 28, 2004 14:59:42 GMT -5
MG has more than 4 good songs. MG is a classic album, no doubts about it.
I'm an Oasis idiot fan to a certain extent. Is there something wrong with that?
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Post by LDD- Angelic Child on Dec 28, 2004 15:31:34 GMT -5
(What's the Story) Morning Glory? is a classic album
9/10 people have that album, it was near enough the biggest selling album of the 90's. No matter who it's by that album is a classic album and is always in the top 10 when albums are voted for.
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Post by mape on Dec 28, 2004 15:34:44 GMT -5
I don't need some guy calling me an idiot...
besides i knew that already! ;D
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Post by bagel on Dec 28, 2004 16:04:41 GMT -5
Wow.
How can anyone possibly say that Oasis "challenged themselves in the writing department" on HC?
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Post by bluecorn on Dec 28, 2004 17:44:42 GMT -5
i think born on a diff cloud is a bit of a departure in the writing dept. ... it's almost like a monolith... a gradually shape-shifting painting. and the "nah-nah" outro comes off more as a sort of mystical chant, rather than the traditional sir paul singalong.
also, it seems to me to not have one discernable climax. it seems like it, arguably, has 4 climaxes to me (which i guess you could also say about champagne supernova (and others, of course), but the difference here is that in born on a diff. cloud, each climax is presenting a diff. musical theme, whereas with champagne soup (and others, of course) , the same theme is presented over and over.)
see/hear the following:
at 4:01... the circling bass part bringing you back to the initial (but now louder and more directive) slow, simple guitar churn.
at 4:29... the guitar swooping in over the top like a hawk
at 4:57... the arrival of the sweeping, blurry chant
at 5:23... the arrival of noel's "born on a different cloud", thrusting focus over the blur, and completing the cacophony, thus ending the song
i don't know... i just love it... each 28 seconds apart
but, yeah, other than that, i dont think HC is really adventuresome in the writing... i think we all killed their adventuresome spirit when no one (in the press, i guess) really talked about, well, most of the songs that guy up top talked about... like on sotsog... and fade in/out and such... i would even add flashbax and magic pie, for their insteresting arrangements. and especially roll it over and let's all make believe. and i dont think wonderwall is really wanky, but i do think that a whole lot more people bought into the simplicity of wonderwall than they bought into, say, the less-trad and more adventuresome writing of columbia, for instance, or any of the ones already mentioned... and that cant really have a good effect on the band's creative drive
anyway cheers. onwards and upwards.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2004 7:27:01 GMT -5
the guy makes some fair points, but first of all from footy to rugby every group of supporters has IDIOT FANS . secondly i dont dispute that this linup is more talented than the first 2 lineups being a guitarist i can see how much tighter live they are now with gem and andy BUT that doesent mean they will be received that way. thirdly i dont think its so much that fans are livin in the past rather that was just a special time in history  as a kid all i ever heard was how nothin was like beatlemania and how it can never be duplicated and there were some great bands before OASIS ( pistols,jam,clash,smiths) and i was around for all of them but none had the total impact on society that OASIS had they were like the beatles in that regard so its hard not to think back about that timeperiod and not think it special. OASIS can come out with a sgt peppers type of classic but they can never get back that frenzy they created in 94-96 that doesent make fans idiots its just not likely to be duplicated again by any band 4 a long time if ever. FOURTHY MORNIN GLORY WAS A CLASSIC THATS WHERE HE LOST THE PLOT  ,just about every track is a classic there is no skip tune on it being more polished doesent make a band better i love GIANTS AND CHEMISTRY but when i want to relax and chill i will crack open a beer and put on DM AND GLORY every time to me thats what makes lps classic,think ill do that rioght now |
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Post by Professor Cakes on Dec 30, 2004 5:56:42 GMT -5
(What's the Story) Morning Glory? is a classic album 9/10 people have that album, it was near enough the biggest selling album of the 90's. No matter who it's by that album is a classic album and is always in the top 10 when albums are voted for. To be honest, you fit that description of an 'idiot Oasis fan'. Your favourite songs are Wonderwall and Don't Look Back In Anger. You bum WTSMG? and your second favourite bands are Slipknot and Metallica. You've only like Oasis about two years as well. Anyway, I don't see why everyone complains about Tony McCarroll...think about it. The most popular Oasis album that is most people's favourite is Definitely Maybe. Most people's favourite songs are Live Forever and Supersonic. McCarroll drummed on both of those, and I think he was perfect for them. I prefer the old faster live version of Live Forever to the slow version of Alan White. I just find McCarroll's drumming more upbeat. |
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Post by monkey man on Dec 30, 2004 10:46:51 GMT -5
Personally I thiink the real Oasis idiot fans are the hooligans who turn up to their gig and proceed to throw bottles of their own urine around.
Musically I can see the point of not being able to get beyond Wonderwall as being a bit stupid. But I don't think we should put people down for liking the catchy tunes. Catchy tunes are often the hardest to write, because songwriters could theoretically write a song which is complicated in terms of arrangements by formula, whereas you can't write a singalong like that. You have to wait for inspiration. My freind for example, once said that the reason Noel was such a great songwriter and Jimmy Page was such a great guitarust was that they came up with things that made you think 'feck me! Why didn't I think of that?'. It's that which makes them both geniuses.
I didn't like HC because I thought it sounded way too contrived and indebted 'soundwise' to the past. SOTSOG was really good, but was ruined by silly keyboard effects thorughout the album. Morning Glory was OK (but you've got to buy just for the genius of Champagne Supernova) and Definitely Maybe is the bollocks. I think DM is the only great Oasis album (not counting the Masterplan) and the others are all OK or good but have moments of flashing brilliance (eg Fade In - Out on Be Here Now).
Once again I re-iterate the fact that people who like 'catchy' songs aren't idiots, but people who ruin the gigs for me are.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2004 13:03:02 GMT -5
Personally I thiink the real Oasis idiot fans are the hooligans who turn up to their gig and proceed to throw bottles of their own urine around. Musically I can see the point of not being able to get beyond Wonderwall as being a bit stupid. But I don't think we should put people down for liking the catchy tunes. Catchy tunes are often the hardest to write, because songwriters could theoretically write a song which is complicated in terms of arrangements by formula, whereas you can't write a singalong like that. You have to wait for inspiration. My freind for example, once said that the reason Noel was such a great songwriter and Jimmy Page was such a great guitarust was that they came up with things that made you think 'feck me! Why didn't I think of that?'. It's that which makes them both geniuses. I didn't like HC because I thought it sounded way too contrived and indebted 'soundwise' to the past. SOTSOG was really good, but was ruined by silly keyboard effects thorughout the album. Morning Glory was OK (but you've got to buy just for the genius of Champagne Supernova) and Definitely Maybe is the bollocks. I think DM is the only great Oasis album (not counting the Masterplan) and the others are all OK or good but have moments of flashing brilliance (eg Fade In - Out on Be Here Now). Once again I re-iterate the fact that people who like 'catchy' songs aren't idiots, but people who ruin the gigs for me are. great points man i agree(except for the mornin glory bit, in my opinion its a great lp) its like supportin MILLWALL OR WEST HAM U know there are gonna be some hooligans around to muck it up for the real supporter but u gotta deal with it. |
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Post by Sterling on Dec 30, 2004 13:41:07 GMT -5
I cannot believe that an oasis fan would dismiss WTSMG. I consider MG as my favorite Oasis album to date and the reasons are simple.
MG is the only Oasis album that I cannot get bored with and I can play it indefinitely without missing a single track. Those who say that MG as only four good songs on it did not get the picture. Mg is a concept album. The tracklist had been chosen so that the album flows and don't fget annoying after repeated listening. And believe me , Noel had plenty of songs to chose from. Classic treack such as The Masterplan, Rockig Chair, Acquiesce had been volunteerly omitted byt now so that they don't interfeer witrh the overal feel of the album.
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Post by bagel on Dec 30, 2004 15:30:15 GMT -5
I think MG is what Oasis should be
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Post by monkey man on Dec 30, 2004 15:37:49 GMT -5
I'm not dismissing it man. Like everyone else I loved it when it came out and for it being the soundtrack for that generation. All that i'm saying is it isn't GREAT. I think we need to understand what greatness is because people in the press spend every day of their lives going this is great and that is great. But that's devalueing it. There are only really two or three GREAT albums every ten years. No doubt Definitely Maybe is one. Morning Glory is good but it just isn't consistently great. Hello, Roll With It, Cast No Shadow and maybe Hey Now just aren't great songs. Don't get me wrong they're good. Great singalongs (but there are many good singalongs each year) but not great songs. As I said before Champagne Supernova is possibly one of the greatest pieces of popular music ever, ever, ever and is definitely up there as one of my favourite songs by any artist. It's just that Morning Glory just doesn't consistently live up to that.
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Post by monkey man on Dec 30, 2004 15:44:32 GMT -5
And I definitely would never say it was a 'concept' album. It's just a collection of pop songs. Some of the great b-sides off MG were left off because they were written afterwards (The Masterplan) weren't seen as that good at the time (Round Are Way which was, as I understand, only recorded after they could afford the brass section) or were underestimated (Acquiesce).
It's a good pop record but The Monkees played good pop songs and no-one sees them as a great band. The Beatles are most famously remembered for their more experimental psychadelia (Revolver, Sgt Pepper). Those were great albums. I think we need to distiguish between the very good and the great.
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,just about every track is a classic there is no skip tune on it being more polished doesent make a band better i love GIANTS AND CHEMISTRY but when i want to relax and chill i will crack open a beer and put on DM AND GLORY every time to me thats what makes lps classic,think ill do that rioght now 
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