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Post by matt on Aug 30, 2024 18:18:30 GMT -5
Be truthful, did anyone think it would be this big? I was too young to experience the 90s and have no reference point. I've been staggered to the point expectations have lowered to 'miracle' if I got a ticket tomorrow morning. Even this forum, jeez, a month ago it was dead. Given the worldwide attention this got, it's a mixture of pride and bemusement that something that never strayed from the minds of all us dedicated posters for 15 years is international news. As I said earlier in the thread (I think), these 15 years have done them good. I was too young in 2009 but the way it was described by those who experienced it, they looked like one of those past their prime dinosaur bands who go on the road to play the hits and no one wants to hear the new tunes (although, to be fair they were still getting top 10 singles), plus it felt miserable for the actual members. The absence has elevated them to classic status, but at the same time a new generation has come through and whatever you may think about their solo careers they've both kept a dignified, serious approach to producing music and going on the road to play it So the energy's still there, there's excitement from the people and those first two albums have now become staples, plus there's still a void when it comes to rock bands, the new ones just don't generate the same kind of movement in terms of cultural influence, in a way you could say Oasis were the last, although the likes of Arctic Monkeys or even Muse came close at some point Coldplay obviously get the numbers but there's a different feel to them I mean, when you get Taylor Swift fans fearing for her records you're onto something... You mention top ten singles, and it made me realise that they were still a contemporary band back then (albeit one past the glory days). With the passing of all that time, they've evolved into a 'classic band'. It's also incredible to think that the entirety of Oasis career (in the public eye starting with Definitely Maybe) fits almost exactly in the timespan of their split. August '94 to August '09. August '09 to August '24. The Oasis career feels like a lifetime, the split does not.
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Post by matt on Aug 30, 2024 17:05:44 GMT -5
Well done, great representatives of the forum, can't ask for more than that!
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Post by matt on Aug 30, 2024 16:53:14 GMT -5
Be truthful, did anyone think it would be this big? I was too young to experience the 90s and have no reference point. I've been staggered to the point expectations have lowered to 'miracle' if I got a ticket tomorrow morning. Even this forum, jeez, a month ago it was dead. The magnitude of this makes our contributions here over the years feel odd. Given the worldwide attention this got, it's a mixture of pride and bemusement that something this small community all holds close to our hearts is international news. I thought something like the 2009 stadium tour was possible. But the hype is beyond that. Three albums in the top 5, three singles in the top 20. All over TikTok. Every "Content Creator" has been making oasis references since Tuesday! It's been absolutely insane. I got into oasis around the time Stop the Clocks came out so like you, too young for the 90s! Same, I thought it would be business as usual. Maybe an announcement equal to that of the split, big news, certainly for those who care but also a lot of indifference with none of their albums shooting up the charts. And people get on with their lives. Now we're back to 90s level hype. Even my mum brought it up unprompted in a conversation on the phone and she doesn't know anything about them!
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Post by matt on Aug 30, 2024 16:43:01 GMT -5
Be truthful, did anyone think it would be this big?
I was too young to experience the 90s and have no reference point. I've been staggered to the point expectations have lowered to 'miracle' if I got a ticket tomorrow morning. Even this forum, jeez, a month ago it was dead. Given the worldwide attention this got, it's a mixture of pride and bemusement that something that never strayed from the minds of all us dedicated posters for 15 years is international news.
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Post by matt on Aug 30, 2024 16:02:28 GMT -5
This ain't kalas, doesn't write like him.
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Post by matt on Aug 29, 2024 20:01:08 GMT -5
"Keep my wife's name out your f*****g mouth!!" Actually, that did happen in fairness...
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Post by matt on Aug 29, 2024 16:04:17 GMT -5
If there's a single the world is gonna explode Just give me something as good as The Shock of the Lightning and I'll be happy. And then please don't fuck the second half of the future album. Mind you if they do fuck the second half of an album again, it will give us plenty of material to discuss over the next 15 years.
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Post by matt on Aug 29, 2024 14:45:41 GMT -5
Saturdays gonna be a blood bath.
I don't necessarily mean not being able to get tickets because of demand, but I don't trust Ticketmaster.
Wouldn't at all surprise me to see swathes of tickets hoovered up by third party mafias who'll sell it for ten times the price. The bigger the event, the bigger the threat.
Secondly, wouldn't be surprised if Ticketmaster pull the dynamic pricing stunt on us again.
We've already seen headline news of hotels exploiting this event, the exploitation of fans isn't over by a long shot.
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Post by matt on Aug 29, 2024 14:42:26 GMT -5
Okay. The Live ‘25 Trailer on YouTube still has not reached one million views (800,000). Should this be a concern? Also, and I know I’ve mentioned it already, and I don’t want to sound ungrateful but that trailer is a disappointment…. Spliced up from the Supersonic dvd…. Still no words from either Gallagher…. either this is dripping the info to us or the vibes are well off…. Help ease Beady’s concerns. Relax. Tour announcement videos aren't a big thing, I barely watched it myself, seen all the montages before. Also, the silence is coordinated. It builds anticipation but given the importance of comms for ticket sales, it's important they don't muddy the waters with messages flying around right left and centre. When the time comes to talk, it just allows for more exposure further down the line.
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Post by matt on Aug 29, 2024 11:46:54 GMT -5
I bloody hope so. The leak was true but that cause issues with the North American dates at the end of August if they get too close. The spacing of the shows tells me there is an eye on Liam's voice holding out here. The only thing I can think of is that they'll announce there will be another run of dates in 2026 so don't panic, there will be plenty more chances to see them. It's gonna finish at Knebworth in 2026 anyway, they could start in May 2026 with some european gigs then bring it back to the UK for a run of dates finishing at Knebworth in the August... How’s this: Oasis Live ‘25 World Tour, with an 8th Oasis album that’s herald as one of Oasis’ best. They tour through to 2026 ending at Knebworth ‘26 and then disbanding on good terms to never be seen again. They can end it on a high at Knebworth, which some on here wanted back in 1996. That’s wild. It's not a massively high bar but if they really wanted, they make easily their best album of the post 2000s. It is dependent on Noel writing the entire album, Liam singing 90-100% of them and some vibrant, ferocious, exciting production with somebody who knows the tricks (and that means no Sardy or Noel producing). Thing is, I'm sure the material is there. We as fans are the best judge of that and thats vindicated by relatively strong solo outputs songwriting wise. The frustrating thing is, they do the hard part, but Noel in particular falls flat on his face by making his tunes sound so lumpen and lifeless. Don't screw this opportunity lads, not while the world's eyes are on you again.
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Post by matt on Aug 29, 2024 11:07:54 GMT -5
"Oasis or Blur? Pulp mate. I'm so contrarian, intelligent and sophisticated. I'm better than you." (AI condenses Guardian comments into the above) So true. Except I've usually seen Suede put forward as the contrarian's choice. Either way it's cobblers. As great as both bands were -- and Blur too -- Oasis of 1994-96 had the devastating combo of Liam's voice, as it was then, and Noel's tunes at the point when he was physically unable to write a bad one. No one else stood a chance against the force of that.
"I guess it's like a fight. We were kinda like a fucking Mike Tyson band, y'know what I mean? We just come in fucking blazing, knocking eveyone out. We were never gonna do ten rounds, and it was never gonna get to points." - Liam
As an aside, I actually like Pulp and Suede too!
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Post by matt on Aug 29, 2024 9:09:33 GMT -5
Lemon Twigs are a good shout, seem like the kind of 60s influenced melodic band Noel would like. Fontaines DC would be great. Young Fathers too.
Please no Kasabian or Meighan, those arseholes would ruin the vibe.
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Post by matt on Aug 29, 2024 7:54:03 GMT -5
Yes and according to Price, what working class people they do represent is just the vile horrible racist lot. Obviously good working class people never liked Oasis, as Price is the gatekeeper of their tastes. His binary, stupidly simplistic take is spoken like somebody who is so far removed from the working class, like most of the media bubble. Price also boasts he's apparently more working class than the Gallaghers so speaks for them more than Oasis. He also fails to mention he went to public school. Really? Bloody hell. So he really is just your archetypal oblivious middle class liberal engaging in class tourism, smugly telling people less fortunate than he what they should and shouldn't like. How do people like this, who are reasonably intelligent, fall into the same ignorant patterns again and again and again? It's kind of comical really, but infuriating too. Well you've just summed up the media representation of the working class. If it's not negative stereotypes (the ugly right wing piss throwing brigade), it's positive discrimination of an undervalued 'intellectual' class. For those 'protectors of the working class' in the media, the likes of your Stuart Maconies, John Harris, Paul Morleys, and Simon Prices, they project this romantic middle class idea of the working class, as if it's an underrepresented, romantic, rebellious and intellectual group of people. And of course the middle class Guardian types lap it up because, hey, this group of urchins seem oh so civilised and sophisticated, and haven't they done well for themselves. So tick that box, the likes of Price speak to an audience that gives them their only experience of working class reflections, an audience that secretly would rather be dead than visit a council estate. Price et.al. base their entire careers from the approval of middle classes. And then there's the unspoken unrepresented majority of working class folk. People like you and me who are not represented in the media. We don't adhere to the right wing thuggery nor the pseudo-intellectual polishing of the working class. Unfortunately we don't suit a simple binary narrative of ignorant and naive middle class assumptions. The majority of us are peaceful, fair minded folk, not racist thugs and at the same time, don't feel the need to intellectualise every bit of culture if we happen to like it. And so to narrow minded idiots like Simon Price and his lackies in the media, I love Oasis. They are not art. They are not intellectual. They are not sophisticated. They are not rebellious. But music, going back to campfire singalongs, was never originally these things. If it speaks a truth, a communal truth through sincere emotional melodies that aligns with lyrical sentiments, then it's music that speaks to the heart and not the mind. It can just make you believe in better things. It's an emotional and expressive thing, and that makes it as great and impactful as Price and his ilks far more intelligent and artsy band. I don't need Price projecting his insecurities by thought policing my musical tastes but he crosses the line with his reductive takes on working class ethics, a class of which he evidently has no proximity to anymore.
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Post by matt on Aug 29, 2024 6:41:28 GMT -5
James Ford. Have the Arctics ever had a bad sounding record? The second Puppets album sounds wonderful. Get him in. Funny that as I was listening to Fontaines DC new album last night. It sounds great too and was produced by Ford.
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Post by matt on Aug 29, 2024 6:07:00 GMT -5
Always so funny to see "liberals" and protectors of the working class getting angry when the working class don't act as they'd like Yes and according to Price, what working class people they do represent is just the vile horrible racist lot. Obviously good working class people never liked Oasis, as Price is the gatekeeper of their tastes. His binary, stupidly simplistic take is spoken like somebody who is so far removed from the working class, like most of the media bubble. Price also boasts he's apparently more working class than the Gallaghers so speaks for them more than Oasis. He also fails to mention he went to public school.
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Post by matt on Aug 29, 2024 5:12:16 GMT -5
I thought that was a mocked up joke. Spot on though It's a pathetic article. And this is me who's been accused of being a bleeding heart liberal lefty on this forum! The writer goes for the charaacter assassination to deligitimise Oasis yet idolises Prince, a guy with deeply disturbing and troubling facts about him. Not to mention the Manics where he's their biggest cheerleader. I love them, but they came out with toxic stuff in their early days, notably wishing Michael Stipe would get AIDS and die (something I imagine Noel stupidly picked up and paraphrased in his comments about Damon). I can take objective critical analysis of Oasis (the 33 1/3 book on Definitely Maybe is a great read, praiseworthy and critical of the band in equal measure), but mean spirited stuff that reflects the writers own ego rather than the band itself is not edgy radical journalism. It's just being a c**t.
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Post by matt on Aug 29, 2024 4:56:36 GMT -5
Btw still waiting for some real words from both of them Liams had his phone taken away from him by Debbie it seems.
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Post by matt on Aug 29, 2024 4:55:49 GMT -5
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Post by matt on Aug 29, 2024 4:44:54 GMT -5
Echoing Anais Gallaghers social media post, I'd much rather some teenagers wearing pink cowboy hats who are only there for Wonderwall and social media likes than piss throwing bellends. That's how bad they are, and I always thought the young modern concert goer was ruining the live spectacle.
Hopefully demographs have changed in 15 years since and the appeal the band has to Gen Z overawes the knuckledraggers.
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Post by matt on Aug 29, 2024 4:38:36 GMT -5
"Oasis or Blur?
Pulp mate. I'm so contrarian, intelligent and sophisticated. I'm better than you."
(AI condenses Guardian comments into the above)
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Post by matt on Aug 28, 2024 18:26:14 GMT -5
Still can't believe it took 15 years. That's much longer than the average pop/rock group split.
I think in my mind back in 2009, it was going to be a five year break max and they'd come back. So essentially wasn't too disappointed what with both Noel and Liam material to follow.
But the years just crept by. And so it went on and on. We just got normalised to life without Oasis, but discussing album rumours, producer choices and setlists the last day or two, it all feels so normal again.
Like an old friend you haven't seen in years, you're overwhelmed to see them again but like a true friend, familiarity takes hold not long after.
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Post by matt on Aug 28, 2024 17:40:28 GMT -5
Huuuge UK figures in streaming and sales for the boys after the announcement. 27 songs on Spotify Top 200. That's increíble. Maybe some songs Will chart for the first time this friday. And they will have 3 Top 10 albums. Unreal Albums (Top 100) Wednesday preview 01 Sabrina Carpenter - Short n' Sweet (74,889) [55,811 physicals, 18,129 streaming, 949 downloads] 02 Fontaines D.C. - Romance (34,255) 03 Chappell Roan - The Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess (5,997) 04 Oasis - Time Flies: 1994-2009 (5,803) 05 Taylor Swift - THE TORTURED POETS DEPARTMENT (5,688) 09 Oasis - (What's the Story) Morning Glory? 10 Travis Scott - DAYS BEFORE RODEO 11 Lainey Wilson - Whirlwind 13 Oasis - Definitely Maybe 17 Louis Tomlinson - LIVE (snip) Fantastic to see Live Forever streamed higher than any of their others. The quintessential Oasis song - if the casuals get it, you get Oasis.
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Post by matt on Aug 28, 2024 17:33:27 GMT -5
It'll be Noel's crew on the production deck. The Stacey brothers, etc. It would be amazing to see David Holmes produce the eighth album... (Imagine the backlash...) And that would be a failure of a decision. I know Liam's albums are not perfect but things like Wall of Glass or Everything's Electric hit harder than any sound Noel has produced on his guitar based rockier solo moments. It's just a dull lifeless sludge of a sound. I also don't want to sound like a A&R man, but it would be good for them to capitalise on this hype by really grabbing the audiences attention with a visceral sound that makes you sit up and stands out on the radio (just like they did with Owen Morris and Definitely Maybe) rather than handing production duties for this now massive thing to a bunch of dithering 50-something year olds in Noel's camp who are out of touch with what excites listeners.
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Post by matt on Aug 28, 2024 17:07:54 GMT -5
Coldplay are a brilliant pop-rock band and they deserve all their success. Oasis are a different beast altogether. They won't be the most streamed or the most-attended, but this reunion - if it's anything more than a low-effort cash-grab - has the chance to be one of the most culturally significant British events of this century so far. That might not make them the biggest band in the world in a technical sense, but it certainly makes them the most meaningful. And, at the end of the day, isn't that what bands are for? Horses for courses, but barring the bubblegum pop of latter efforts, Oasis and Coldplay are relatively similar with emphasis on big melodies. A reason why Chris Martin and Noel are mutual admirers of each others craft.
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Post by matt on Aug 28, 2024 17:03:18 GMT -5
The audience are not the same. Coldplay is the kind of band liked by people that are not that invested into music. It is really mainstream, with big colorfull shows in which you don’t end up covered in beer and piss.On the other hand Oasis is probably more significant on a cultural point of view, especially in the UK. So more press coverage for Oasis, but bigger numbers for Coldplay. Which is actually a good thing about a Coldplay show. I just hope 15 years on, ticket prices are too expensive for those knuckle dragging pissheads or they have either all dropped dead from their massive coronaries. Wipe the scum away and these Oasis shows will be epic.
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