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Noel's personal Walkman tapes from the 90's... Nov 25, 2024 15:49:01 GMT -5 mimmihopps, oasisunited, and 4 more like this

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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Nov 25, 2024 15:49:01 GMT -5

Nov 25, 2024 12:42:44 GMT -5 asimarx said:

Very interesting discussion and a nice read. On a side note, and I know the recordings on this channel were already deemed to be AI fake, the latest one still intrigued me. It is supposed to be a short collection of snippets of a low quality tape demo of "The Mirror & The Razorblade", which is believed to be an early version of the song Morning Glory. Anyway, in the clip you hear Noel sing, to the chorus melody of Morning Glory, "I don't live for Happy Mondays". "Live 4 Happy Mondays" was a song title mentioned in Noel's second publicly known Notebook from 1994 if I remember right. If this is fake, the creator obviously knows his stuff! The Crimson Rambler , what do you reckon?

Indeed they know a thing or two but not enough. Here's why it's fake and here's who is behind it all...

1) Firstly the YouTube channel this comes from contains various "demos" many of which have been called out by fans as being fake, or clickbait, to get people to listen to their remix. What are the odds that someone who is known to create fake unreleased demos and pass them off as the real deal is now in possession of actual demos? Occam's razor suggests these are just more of the same.
2) 2 months ago the creator commented on an AI Oasis song on YouTube so they obviously have some passing interest in this topic. Likewise we know that they're a fan of the band because they've commented on other Oasis related stuff on YouTube.
3) They've attempted to cover their tracks by releasing "short snippets". Basically what this allows them to do is bin off anything that's too obviously fake (like the less convincing parts of the AI vocals) and it means they don't have to come up with a convincing full tune (as in the case of 'Slow', 'Daytura Dream Deferred' and the untitled track).
4) It's not very difficult to create a lo-fi recording of an acoustic guitar that sounds like a demo.

So why would anyone go to all of this effort to fake some demos? The obvious answer to me is for their own amusement. To watch people get excited about stuff they think is legit.

So who is behind it all? Well let me tell you...

If you look through the creator's channel they're obviously a big Eminem fan. They're also an Eminem forum viewer (or member) because they posted in the comments section about the Eminem forums on this YouTube video they uploaded. So what did the first link of quick Google of '"Cocaine Rain" eminem forum' show me? This page which shows a forum member named Zebedee (with the word Banned under his username) who links a fake Eminem demo that's on his YouTube channel (the same one that's uploading the Oasis ones). Later in the same thread Zebedee posts some alternative accounts he has on the Eminem forum (one of which is spelt the same as on this forum). If you look through zeberdee 's posts on this forum he actually references Eminem fans in one post.

What an interesting thread zeberdee ?

Let's see what zeberdee posted when the video was initially picked up on here...

Nov 22, 2024 12:02:01 GMT -5 zeberdee said:

Nov 21, 2024 22:10:47 GMT -5 thespiderandthefly said:

This is gonna be the most embarrassing post of my life, but <sigh> I actually kinda like that real/fake Slow that the guy posted. Some of the little melodies in there do feel Noel-ish to my ears. 🤷‍♂️

The lengths that this guy went thru to fool us — telling the AI to use lyrics from 1993, to make Noel and the guitar sound off tune, muddy, lofi…either he’s really committed to the bit, or, dare I say he thinks it’s genuine?? Hurts his credibility when rest of the channel is AI nonsense, but who knows.

I’ll see myself out….

thoughts?

Nov 22, 2024 16:21:57 GMT -5 zeberdee said:

Nov 22, 2024 14:43:11 GMT -5 thespiderandthefly said:

This chap is going thru great lengths to “fool” us, but I don’t see what the upside is. Attention? Or maybe he thinks what he has is real? Or maybe it’s the ultimate Trojan horse — disguising AI nonsense as rusty, old cassette snippets.

It’s both pathetic and inventive at the same time.

that first snippet you can literally hear "noel" stopping and starting his guitar and singing like he's working something out. Pretty detailed "AI" imo.

Nov 23, 2024 15:24:09 GMT -5 zeberdee said:

Nov 23, 2024 15:21:17 GMT -5 The Invisible Sun said:

I listened to "Slow". I'm pretty sure Noel sings in tune even on bad quality demos. FAKE.

Im only playing devils advocate here but isnt the guitar also out of tune with his voice? tape "pitch corruption" possibly?

Makes sense now doesn't it? Aren't people interesting?

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Noel's personal Walkman tapes from the 90's... Nov 25, 2024 15:57:02 GMT -5 via mobile

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Post by mossy on Nov 25, 2024 15:57:02 GMT -5

Nov 25, 2024 14:49:04 GMT -5 zeberdee said:

Nov 25, 2024 13:53:25 GMT -5 mossy said:

Wow, how grumpy is Noel there!

He’s been bootlegged for years though. Had albums leaked in advance. Probably pisses him off and he sees it as theft. He doesn’t want people listening to unfinished stuff he wasn’t happy to release yet himself and was stolen from him…

So exciting to hear the guys describing how good the songs are though. And that some morphed into other songs on future albums.

Here's another clip of Kyle describing one of the songs in case you haven't seen it:

Nice, hadn’t seen that thanks.

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Noel's personal Walkman tapes from the 90's... Nov 25, 2024 16:05:33 GMT -5 via mobile mimmihopps, oasisunited, and 2 more like this

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Post by asimarx on Nov 25, 2024 16:05:33 GMT -5

Nov 25, 2024 15:49:01 GMT -5 The Crimson Rambler said:

Nov 25, 2024 12:42:44 GMT -5 asimarx said:

Let's see what zeberdee posted when the video was initially picked up on here...

Nov 22, 2024 12:02:01 GMT -5 zeberdee said:

thoughts?

Nov 22, 2024 16:21:57 GMT -5 zeberdee said:

that first snippet you can literally hear "noel" stopping and starting his guitar and singing like he's working something out. Pretty detailed "AI" imo.

Nov 23, 2024 15:24:09 GMT -5 zeberdee said:

Im only playing devils advocate here but isnt the guitar also out of tune with his voice? tape "pitch corruption" possibly?

Makes sense now doesn't it? Aren't people interesting?

Fuckin' hell 😅. Mission clear I guess, thanks Inspector The Crimson Rambler 😉. I'm not yet able to fully comprehend why people are motivated to create this kind of nonsense, neither why they're able to do so. Weird shit, seriously.

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