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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 3, 2024 9:46:26 GMT -5
I don't think the general populations view of Oasis goes against them having expensive tickets and making money off people. Noel Gallagher brings up how rich he is in every interview. Maybe it's different in the UK, but over here no one sees them as e.g. Bruce or Pearl Jam. They are just a widly popular mainstream rockband with shallow but hook-friendly hits with no ethos connected to them. No ethos? Did you mean that?
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Post by jumpinjackflash78 on Sept 3, 2024 9:52:08 GMT -5
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Post by vespa on Sept 3, 2024 10:18:36 GMT -5
Please stop with the Noel divorce nonsense honestly she took about 18 million in cash and a home .. Noel is worth about 80 million quid and he’s got a back catalogue back next year that was worth about 200 million quid and after this announcement and popularity being through the roof it’ll be worth 300 million when he sells it.. Noel Gallagher does not need the money . They will make things right but the people moaning are blaming it like it’s the reason don’t they don’t have a ticket .. the reason is because 14 million people put in for one . I don’t think some understand either the uk at the minute , it’s a shambles , a rip off and these venues and booking agents are going along with that .
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Post by emil on Sept 3, 2024 10:32:52 GMT -5
Yep. And I am of the belief that it hurt Bruce and Pearl Jam more than it does when it comes to a "I reunite if the money is big enough" reunion tour -- with no real signs of them being a band again -- by Oasis. The problem for fans obviously with this (including all artists) is that they have the monopoly of the experience and us by the balls, and therefore we are all suckers living under their thumb (and they by that, IMO, have a responsibility to not fuck us over (too much))
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Post by matt on Sept 3, 2024 10:36:06 GMT -5
F*ck Marcus Russell.
F*ck Ticketmaster.
And f*ck the Gallaghers for staying silent.
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Post by surrealneil on Sept 3, 2024 10:43:18 GMT -5
Nah, nobody will care soon , certainly not by the time the gigs happen
People love a moan and a "scandal", they'll move on to something else in a few days
That's not justifying dynamic pricing, I think it's a disgrace. But damaging the band? No
They'll sell out venues as the drop of a hat for as long as they want. Maybe that's part of the problem...
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Post by marqueemoon on Sept 3, 2024 12:45:11 GMT -5
Exactly. Its common practice now and all bands get push back about it that eventually blows over once the shows happen.
Does it make it all right? It doesn't make it all right. But thats what happens when you drag Oasis out of 2009 and into 2024.
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Post by mkoasis on Sept 4, 2024 1:04:47 GMT -5
Exactly. Its common practice now and all bands get push back about it that eventually blows over once the shows happen.
Does it make it all right? It doesn't make it all right. But thats what happens when you drag Oasis out of 2009 and into 2024.
I think you’re right there. Yes, it is sadly standard practice now and it’s unfair to pin all this on Oasis as if they invented this exploitative strategy. That said, if they had the opportunity to do this or not, especially knowing how awful it is, they shouldn’t have done it. Yes, they have every right to do so etc but I don’t believe this is ethical or fair. They could have easily made plenty of money without this dynamic surge pricing scam.
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Post by globe on Sept 4, 2024 2:47:22 GMT -5
It’s damaged their rep with the mainstream but by the time the gigs come round next year it will all be forgotten about.
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Post by neila83 on Sept 4, 2024 2:51:41 GMT -5
Long term who knows, I’m inclined to say no because once the storm has died down a little I think excitement might build a little. However they have really shot themselves in the foot on so many levels 1) The buzz of the reunion has been replaced by anger and annoyance over the ticket fiasco. Every news story is about the ticket rip off, not the music. 2) If they were planning on doing more dates, it causes issues with the fans who paid treble face value for the original dates. 3) Even if it wasn’t intended they now come across as greedy and makes it look like a cynical cash grab rather than the brothers actually reconciling. I actually feel really sorry some for the fans who secured those dynamic pricing tickets on Saturday. I am fortunate enough to have seen them plenty of times so when it came to the crunch I stood my ground and refused to pay the insane prices despite being in a queue for hours. Sure there’s going to be a few fans who can afford the tickets and happily pay it but I also think there was plenty who just got caught up in the moment. They didn’t want to leave empty handed after so much effort so paid money they didn’t really have and now regret it. The rush would have been just getting through the queue so the actual money would have seemed irrelevant. It’s only when that rush is gone youd realise you’ve spent £1000 on two tickets to a gig All this. It was so completely unnecessary. They were making a fortune anyway, it's pure greed that will end up doing more harm than good. And as someone said, if they announce more gigs, people are even more pissed off. It's such a shit way to take advantage of people in a stressed, emotional state after hours queueing, suddenly doubling the price and giving them a couple of minutes to decide or miss out completely. It's deliberately designed to take advantage of people when they can't think rationally, so rich people can take more money from people who may well not really be able to afford it. It clearly has damaged them because it is all that is being talked about. Look at Liam's latest IG post (incredibly poorly timed btw), all the comments are about this, when they could have been about how excited people are to be going to see them. He can't come out any say anything about the reunion he's been begging for the last 15 years and the fans being ripped off, but he can try and sell us an overpriced jacket? F**k off. Would imagine there's a fair bit of panic in their inner circle about this and how to handle it. The fact we've heard nothing is a pretty strong indicator this was very much a deliberate choice so there is no way for them to plausibly deny it. If they got caught lying now about what happened things will get really bad. But coming out and saying 'yeh soz it's on us, we just wanted to fleece you' isn't great either. Everything about it really does feel off. They couldn't make it any clearer it's a pure cash grab if they tried. Even the fact the poster only had 2 people on it is kind of sad. Isn't this supposed to be a band? Imagine Blur or Pulp having runited and only putting 2 people on the poster. Kind of proves this has nothing to do with being a band again.
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Post by neila83 on Sept 4, 2024 3:27:38 GMT -5
The other thing is it's really not going to away, as the government has launched an investigation into the whole practice in the autumn. Which will get plenty of coverage and means every time it gets mentioned on the news it will be referred to as 'the report, sparked by anger at pricing of tickets for the Oasis concerts...'
I don't think being responsible for government legislation to stop exploitative ticket pricing is exactly the legacy they were going for here....
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Post by emil on Sept 4, 2024 3:36:12 GMT -5
Exactly. Its common practice now and all bands get push back about it that eventually blows over once the shows happen.
Does it make it all right? It doesn't make it all right. But thats what happens when you drag Oasis out of 2009 and into 2024.
I think you’re right there. Yes, it is sadly standard practice now and it’s unfair to pin all this on Oasis as if they invented this exploitative strategy. That said, if they had the opportunity to do this or not, especially knowing how awful it is, they shouldn’t have done it. Yes, they have every right to do so etc but I don’t believe this is ethical or fair. They could have easily made plenty of money without this dynamic surge pricing scam. It should be fully pinned on every artist doing it, because they can sell tickets without it. Like artists have chosen to do. But for some context from artists.. Here is what Eddie Vedder said about it. Pearl Jam recently completed the European leg of their Dark Matter World Tour. Visions pointed out tickets for shows in Germany cost 175 euros and in same cases were higher due to dynamic pricing. Vedder was asked with Pearl Jam’s history of “always want[ing] to do it differently and make it fairer than everyone else” why they would agree to the high cost.
“Unfortunately, that’s more complicated. After corona, everyone wanted to go back on tour as quickly as possible, and why not? That doesn’t apply to us, but many colleagues are dependent on the income from tours for their livelihood. As a result, production costs have gotten completely out of hand,” Vedder explained to Visions as per Pearl Jam Online / Zed23. “You can hardly find a crew anymore, there are problems organizing buses, stages, PA systems, venues. People say: ‘If you don’t pay my price, no problem, someone else will pay it.’ This even applies to service providers that we have been working with for over 30 years.”
Visions pushed the singer on the matter and he broke it down even more. “If we can save money, we pass it on to the fans. But it’s essential for us to at least cover our costs. If we had to pay extra and couldn’t earn any money at all, we wouldn’t go on tour anymore.”
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Post by sundaymorningcolin on Sept 4, 2024 4:21:35 GMT -5
No. Its just this weeks controversy. Media doing its usual build them up to knock them down at the first opportunity.
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Post by standonit on Sept 4, 2024 4:35:45 GMT -5
Even the fact the poster only had 2 people on it is kind of sad. Isn't this supposed to be a band? Imagine Blur or Pulp having runited and only putting 2 people on the poster. Kind of proves this has nothing to do with being a band again. To be fair, the two of them being singled out for promo images has happened all through the history of the band. The huge banners outside Earl's Court 1995 were a Liam one and a Noel one. The Knebworth promo posters were a Liam one and a Noel one (possibly the same images as the Earl's Court ones actually). The front cover of Familiar to Millions had just Liam and Noel.
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Post by sundaymorningcolin on Sept 4, 2024 4:45:53 GMT -5
Imagine Blur or Pulp having runited and only putting 2 people on the poster. Kind of proves this has nothing to do with being a band again. Silly comparison. Blur was always the same 4 (bar the Think Tank period) and the songs are credited to the 4 of them. Oasis was totally different.
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Post by sundaymorningcolin on Sept 4, 2024 4:47:08 GMT -5
Even the fact the poster only had 2 people on it is kind of sad. Isn't this supposed to be a band? Imagine Blur or Pulp having runited and only putting 2 people on the poster. Kind of proves this has nothing to do with being a band again. To be fair, the two of them being singled out for promo images has happened all through the history of the band. The huge banners outside Earl's Court 1995 were a Liam one and a Noel one. The Knebworth promo posters were a Liam one and a Noel one (possibly the same images as the Earl's Court ones actually). The front cover of Familiar to Millions had just Liam and Noel. Knebworth 1996 only had Liam on it, what a cashgrab!
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Post by standonit on Sept 4, 2024 4:52:39 GMT -5
To be fair, the two of them being singled out for promo images has happened all through the history of the band. The huge banners outside Earl's Court 1995 were a Liam one and a Noel one. The Knebworth promo posters were a Liam one and a Noel one (possibly the same images as the Earl's Court ones actually). The front cover of Familiar to Millions had just Liam and Noel. Knebworth 1996 only had Liam on it, what a cashgrab! There was a Noel one too: www.ewbankauctions.co.uk/catalog_images/auction//large/nr011978-1_1.jpg?ti1724609083
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Post by cedomil on Sept 4, 2024 5:56:40 GMT -5
I think they will find a way to somehow make up to the fans... We actually got two problems here: 1. Years/Decades long loyal fans not being able to buy any tickets, not just cheaper ones. 2. Dynamic pricing disaster As for the 2nd, the Ticketmaster cashgrab, the problem is that obviously there were enough people ready and willing to part with ungodly amounts of cash just to get those tickets. It's a disgrace (what TM did), but I don't see much of the lucky ones moaning over the cash they'd spent. So I guess it's mostly the cry of the "ticketless" we hear online. Now we wait and see what's the brothers' move on this.
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Post by marqueemoon on Sept 4, 2024 11:45:06 GMT -5
Exactly. Its common practice now and all bands get push back about it that eventually blows over once the shows happen.
Does it make it all right? It doesn't make it all right. But thats what happens when you drag Oasis out of 2009 and into 2024.
I think you’re right there. Yes, it is sadly standard practice now and it’s unfair to pin all this on Oasis as if they invented this exploitative strategy. That said, if they had the opportunity to do this or not, especially knowing how awful it is, they shouldn’t have done it. Yes, they have every right to do so etc but I don’t believe this is ethical or fair. They could have easily made plenty of money without this dynamic surge pricing scam. 100% agree, they are not blameless by far
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Sept 4, 2024 11:50:14 GMT -5
I think you’re right there. Yes, it is sadly standard practice now and it’s unfair to pin all this on Oasis as if they invented this exploitative strategy. That said, if they had the opportunity to do this or not, especially knowing how awful it is, they shouldn’t have done it. Yes, they have every right to do so etc but I don’t believe this is ethical or fair. They could have easily made plenty of money without this dynamic surge pricing scam. 100% agree, they are not blameless by far They arent blameless, but I do think theyve gotten a bit too much shit for it. Another act known for working class values who had this issue was Springsteen. And he actually endorsed the damn thing, yet from what i recall noone gave him any criticism at all.
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Post by marqueemoon on Sept 4, 2024 14:14:05 GMT -5
100% agree, they are not blameless by far They arent blameless, but I do think theyve gotten a bit too much shit for it. Another act known for working class values who had this issue was Springsteen. And he actually endorsed the damn thing, yet from what i recall noone gave him any criticism at all. Also agree It’s a widespread issue and inevitable for big ticket shows like this.
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Post by cedomil on Sept 4, 2024 14:30:13 GMT -5
I think they will find a way to somehow make up to the fans.. And just like that, 2 extra Wembley Stadium shows announced! Now that's what I call good start
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Post by matt on Sept 4, 2024 14:55:17 GMT -5
100% agree, they are not blameless by far They arent blameless, but I do think theyve gotten a bit too much shit for it. Another act known for working class values who had this issue was Springsteen. And he actually endorsed the damn thing, yet from what i recall noone gave him any criticism at all. Oh he definitely received flak from the fanbase who wouldn't let it lie. I saw him in May a year later and there was no dynamic pricing then. But a fanzine closed down over it. I think that was the first time it was in use, or at least it was a novelty. I thought the bad PR that came of that would have informed Ticketmaster, Ignition and Oasis. Apparently not, they were fully aware of what would happen which is why I don't expect any answers to this.
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Post by matt on Sept 4, 2024 14:56:48 GMT -5
Will these two extra show have dynamic pricing? No answers to this is I see.
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Post by Sadie on Sept 4, 2024 15:08:52 GMT -5
Will these two extra show have dynamic pricing? No answers to this is I see. The whole point of staggered sales is to allow for shorter queue times and faster purchases which would mean that dynamic pricing wouldn't kick in, much like in the presale. In the full press release, they stated that the band were unaware dynamic pricing would be used, so after the PR disaster of the past few days I think it's pretty safe to say dynamic pricing will not be used
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