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Post by matt on Sept 2, 2024 15:12:18 GMT -5
Yeah, so this ain't going away. And nor should it. So let us hardcore fans have the final say. www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c74jdxle935oJust wanted to start a new thread to hear others opinions clearly on this. Because it is quite frankly damaging the reputation of the band. What should have been a victory lap and securing the band's legacy for future generations is turning into a quite shameful greedy money making exercise. The Gallaghers need to say something, and their greedy incompetent management spearheaded by, once again, Marcus Russell (for more self serving, greedy accounts of Ignition, read The Creation Records Story by David Cavanagh). The choice is to boost your legacy or boost your already bank balance that regardless would have looked very healthy without this nonsense (they quite simply could have had both if it weren't for 'dynamic pricing'). Do the rock n roll thing and come out against it for once.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 2, 2024 15:24:41 GMT -5
Quite obviously yes. Although there is time to limit the damage, it would help if someone came out and said something though.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Sept 2, 2024 15:51:14 GMT -5
I think, as many things, people will rant for a couple of weeks and then move onto something else, this often happens with big gigs and tours because the whole system is a disgrace. The dates are all sold out, we're one year away from the tour and it's not like Oasis ever pretended to be U2, we all know they're vaginas and like their money, people will be happy to be at the gigs and that's about it
With that said, I wouldn't mind a statement and/or an attempt to make up for it
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Post by Sadie on Sept 2, 2024 15:52:31 GMT -5
I knew this was gonna happen from the off because Ignition are out of touch dinosaurs with absolutely no idea how to manage a big act in the social media/internet age
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Post by racingman11 on Sept 2, 2024 15:56:52 GMT -5
I knew this was gonna happen from the off because Ignition are out of touch dinosaurs with absolutely no idea how to manage a big act in the social media/internet age The whole thing doesn’t look amateurish at all on the contrary. I feel Live Nation has taken the lead on the band communication for a time to promote the tour.
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Post by jaq515 on Sept 2, 2024 16:03:25 GMT -5
I knew this was gonna happen from the off because Ignition are out of touch dinosaurs with absolutely no idea how to manage a big act in the social media/internet age I would think fear / Debbie is majorly involved too. Im sure Liams said few times we brought the deal to noel for oasis and they've said no (paraphrasing). Debbie and co managed to claw Liam from no where back to being very prominent artist so sure between them all they can get things back on track
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Post by standbymoi on Sept 2, 2024 16:15:13 GMT -5
It’ll all be forgotten about by next week. Oasis can do no wrong. They always come out smelling of Roses
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 2, 2024 16:32:42 GMT -5
I think, as many things, people will rant for a couple of weeks and then move onto something else, this often happens with big gigs and tours because the whole system is a disgrace. The dates are all sold out, we're one year away from the tour and it's not like Oasis ever pretended to be U2, we all know they're vaginas and like their money, people will be happy to be at the gigs and that's about it With that said, I wouldn't mind a statement and/or an attempt to make up for it You do them a disservice by saying they like their money. Most people do like having money, they can also like money without being silent while they're fans get ripped off.
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Post by CFC2013 on Sept 2, 2024 16:41:23 GMT -5
I'm curious if bands actually have any control over how Ticketmaster operates for their concerts. If they do, Oasis and Ignition deserve a good amount of flak, but if they don't, Ticketmaster should be the ones in the headlines, not Oasis.
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Post by lochlomond96 on Sept 2, 2024 18:55:47 GMT -5
As mentioned by the OP the thing that will damage the band irreparably for most people is the lack of transparency, TM were quick out of the blocks to try and absolve themselves of blame by placing responsibility for dynamic pricing firmly at the feet of the band and their management team and the longer they remain quiet the more lasting the impact will be on their reputation.
Do they care? That's the important question to answer. If they don't and they try to ride it out then this will be cast up by people and to some it will tarnish the legacy of the band and the connection they have to them. If they do and they come out and hold their hands up to say they got it wrong and put some corrective measures in place going forward then I think the majority of people will be a little more forgiving. When you're dealing with a tour generating in the hundreds of millions revenue wise it seems quite the misstep to cause so much bad feeling over a few extra million in ticket sales.
I'd like to see the latter approach personally but suspect it will be the former.
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Post by Aman on Sept 2, 2024 19:05:23 GMT -5
This deservedly should be news.
In times like this it frankly was scandalous.
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Post by macnuggets on Sept 2, 2024 19:50:06 GMT -5
It happens on every major tour, everyone has been complaining about Ticketmaster for like 30 years. The dynamic pricing is particularly an issue in the US, unfortunately it's not new but if people only go to one gig a year they might not give a fuck until they're the ones being stung.
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Post by themanwithnoname on Sept 3, 2024 4:29:25 GMT -5
Well, it’s damaged them in my mind for sure. They’ve become the ‘corporate pigs’ Noel used to have a go at all the time. Reports are that they will have completely separate backstage areas and only spend time together on stage. Also the way Noel suddenly started singing Liam’s praises in that Jon Robb and then hey presto, the reunion gets announced.
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Post by bringitondown77 on Sept 3, 2024 4:53:02 GMT -5
It was an unnecessary own goal from the band. I can understand the anger. You queue for 6/8 hours, finally get through, scramble for the last remaining tickets and are suddenly told they are now double or treble the price without any warning.
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Post by morning_rain on Sept 3, 2024 5:00:53 GMT -5
It should damage the band, but it won't.
The same happened a few months ago, I had two tickets for the Madrid show of McCartney on my shopping cart for 80€ each and when I clicked to pay they were 300€ each.
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Sept 3, 2024 7:26:32 GMT -5
I think theyll just about survive in the long run, provided they dont capsize it themselves by responding in a bad way.
It might be a stigma for this tour, which is a shame in truth, but if theyre planning to do anything in 2026 itll likely be back to normal.
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Post by vespa on Sept 3, 2024 7:38:48 GMT -5
The dynamic pricing is management , booking agent and ticket agent .. not the band itself .. Liam and Noel have nothing to do with bloody ticket prices why do you keep making threads on it?? Did you honestly think an oasis reunion would be straight forward , cheap and easily accessible ?? I get the jist off the site that many people don’t quite know just how big oasis are and we’re .. they aren’t Coldplay or the foo fighters , they are culturally much bigger . How come there was no outcry of love when they gave away a free gig at heaton park? Ticket prices in the uk are ridiculous as is everything else it’s turned scandalous but we don’t need thread after thread slating the band , if your not happy sell your ticket it’s quite simple There will be no stigma when this tour kicks off it’ll be rejoiceful and when they release the single it’ll be even better
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Sept 3, 2024 8:08:43 GMT -5
The dynamic pricing is management , booking agent and ticket agent .. not the band itself .. Liam and Noel have nothing to do with bloody ticket prices why do you keep making threads on it?? Did you honestly think an oasis reunion would be straight forward , cheap and easily accessible ?? I get the jist off the site that many people don’t quite know just how big oasis are and we’re .. they aren’t Coldplay or the foo fighters , they are culturally much bigger . How come there was no outcry of love when they gave away a free gig at heaton park? Ticket prices in the uk are ridiculous as is everything else it’s turned scandalous but we don’t need thread after thread slating the band , if your not happy sell your ticket it’s quite simple There will be no stigma when this tour kicks off it’ll be rejoiceful and when they release the single it’ll be even better Certainly helps that its such a long time away yet. I dont like how it works but I agree theyve gotten it worse from the public than others, mainly due to being known for working class origins. They now just need to avoid fucking it up themselves. Which im sure is what the recent silence is all about - management all locked down in bunker meetings trying to figure out how to proceed.
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Post by settingson on Sept 3, 2024 8:23:19 GMT -5
It makes no difference to my opinion of Oasis/Noel/Liam.
Cancelling their last gig in 2009 with a huge crowd expectantly waiting for them, because they'd had an argument back stage, was a lot worse in my book.... and yet here we are.
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Post by beentherenow on Sept 3, 2024 8:46:06 GMT -5
Long term who knows, I’m inclined to say no because once the storm has died down a little I think excitement might build a little. However they have really shot themselves in the foot on so many levels
1) The buzz of the reunion has been replaced by anger and annoyance over the ticket fiasco. Every news story is about the ticket rip off, not the music. 2) If they were planning on doing more dates, it causes issues with the fans who paid treble face value for the original dates. 3) Even if it wasn’t intended they now come across as greedy and makes it look like a cynical cash grab rather than the brothers actually reconciling.
I actually feel really sorry some for the fans who secured those dynamic pricing tickets on Saturday. I am fortunate enough to have seen them plenty of times so when it came to the crunch I stood my ground and refused to pay the insane prices despite being in a queue for hours. Sure there’s going to be a few fans who can afford the tickets and happily pay it but I also think there was plenty who just got caught up in the moment. They didn’t want to leave empty handed after so much effort so paid money they didn’t really have and now regret it. The rush would have been just getting through the queue so the actual money would have seemed irrelevant. It’s only when that rush is gone youd realise you’ve spent £1000 on two tickets to a gig
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Post by wildliam on Sept 3, 2024 8:56:18 GMT -5
Seeing the last post of Liam, after they still don't communicate for the gigs, it's a shit storm. All 800 quotes are on it...
Bad timing to put this post now after zero communication.
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Post by 0as1s on Sept 3, 2024 9:11:33 GMT -5
In all probability, the reality of the reunion is very much connected to Noel's divorce, so should we be surprised that both brothers are more than happy to go along with milking fans for as much money as possible?
Noel gets his bank balance back up to something he feels is acceptable whilst Liam gets the band back together (fair enough) and also bags a shed load of extra cash.
Both brothers have always loved their money, Noel in particular, and most of the time us die hard fans will happily cough up. On this occasion however, there has been some push back and not only that, the push back has come from the general public, not just us lot.
There will definitely be some damage to their reputations right now, but nothing that they won't ride out. They'll do their 90 mins per gig next year and the masses will go home happy.
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Post by mancraider on Sept 3, 2024 9:17:35 GMT -5
When the dust settles the tickets will still be all sold and the Gallaghers still won't give a F about what anyone thinks about it. So I doubt there'll much damage long term.
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Post by elephantstone93 on Sept 3, 2024 9:37:49 GMT -5
The comments on Liam's latest post are very damning. Both IG and FB. That was a poorly timed post although looks like it's a management / sponsored post so not much he can do.
A statement from them would help things in the short term. But I'm not sure what they could do to fix what's happened with the dynamic pricing.
Long term, they'll be fine. Just got to ride out this period. Ideally, they'd try to fix it however they can. If they don't, it's not going to damage them long term. In my opinion.
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Post by emil on Sept 3, 2024 9:42:17 GMT -5
I don't think the general populations view of Oasis goes against them having expensive tickets and making money off people. Noel Gallagher brings up how rich he is in every interview.
Maybe it's different in the UK, but over here no one sees them as e.g. Bruce or Pearl Jam. They are just a widly popular mainstream rockband with shallow but hook-friendly hits with no ethos connected to them.
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