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Post by Plantpot on Sept 6, 2024 14:46:03 GMT -5
Knowing what I know now, I think it was more a case of Noel stockpiling songs for an eventual solo career versus sheer laziness. Well that’s just bullshit I appreciate your thoughtful analysis. |
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Post by Casino Boogie on Sept 6, 2024 14:55:15 GMT -5
Pretty sure The Turning solo is Gem - it does that thing of repeating a phrase and then going a big higher on the second run through. That seems to be pretty typical of Gem's work.
If there is to be an album (and I desperately hope there is) it has to be entirely Noel written and Liam sung with Noel having one lead vocal max.
They also need to get a strong producer such as Leckie to referee, quality control the songs and make Noel write second verses!
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Post by matt on Sept 6, 2024 15:12:14 GMT -5
I’ve written on here a few times about this but the songwriting democracy was one of the worst artistic decisions I’ve ever witnessed in any band. In some bands it works a treat but Oasis were never one of those bands. ‘All Songs Written by Noel Gallagher’ that is what made Oasis the biggest band in the world. Then Noel gets lazy decides he only wants to write half an album every three years and lets three other people do the other half! If they had brought truly outstanding songs to the table I’d be all for it. But they were given 5 or 6 songs per album regardless of quality, it was just the done thing by that point. Noel cannot have heard The Nature of Reality, A Bell Will a Ring or Better Man for example and thought, ‘fuck yeah! That has to go on the record!’ Instead it was ‘ah ok well you guys have to have at least one song because of ummm because so what’s your best one? Oh really? Well that’ll do then I suppose’ In short, any new Oasis album has to be Noel written, Liam sung with Noel singing two max Seems he got the bug for singing and being the frontman from Heathen Chemistry onwards. Hard not to think that the solo act was an itch he was dying to scratch going back to 2002. You'd hope that, if Oasis were to make new music, that impulse would have been satisfied and he'd go back to how it was before. Also scrutiny on new Oasis album would be so much greater than anything they've done in years, so you'd hope common sense would prevail. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 6, 2024 15:17:12 GMT -5
Los Campesinos wrote their best album of their seven this year, and this is after a seven year break and almost 20 years into their career.
Busted reunited several years go, and came back with an excellent album as well.
No reason Oasis can’t come back with an album that will finally compete with the holy triology.
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Post by mancraider on Sept 6, 2024 15:23:37 GMT -5
You'd like to think that the fact they have reverted to the classic logo means that's where their heads are at. Almost like everything after BHN is being wiped from the record.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 6, 2024 16:03:24 GMT -5
Between 98-03 Noel didn't have the songs. The democratic process wasn't just an act of kindness.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 6, 2024 16:17:35 GMT -5
Between 98-03 Noel didn't have the songs. The democratic process wasn't just an act of kindness. Yes. But by 2005, he was using LAG as a crutch, despite having so many songs. The song writing democracy should have ended at HC. |
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Sept 6, 2024 16:22:43 GMT -5
Pretty sure The Turning solo is Gem - it does that thing of repeating a phrase and then going a big higher on the second run through. That seems to be pretty typical of Gem's work. If there is to be an album (and I desperately hope there is) it has to be entirely Noel written and Liam sung with Noel having one lead vocal max. They also need to get a strong producer such as Leckie to referee, quality control the songs and make Noel write second verses! I totally agree about a producer, although Leckie is one of those people who is a tad inconsistent - specifically, good material tends to bring out the best in him. So he can be a tad risky. He’d be worth considering for sure, along with maybe people like Rick Rubin, James Ford, Danger Mouse, Brendan O’Brien etc. I’d have said Stephen Street, but he gave them shit on X this week over the ticket thing so that may count him out….. |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Sept 6, 2024 16:41:23 GMT -5
Well that’s just bullshit I appreciate your thoughtful analysis. That’s all that needs to be said for it though. If he was stockpiling songs he’d have kept Little by Little, Stop Crying Your Heart Out, Falling Down, Importance of Being Idle etc. Most of NGHFB was written in the studio while recording DOYS and during that tour. Stop the Clocks and Record Machine were demoed extensively with oasis but they could never get them right. And if he was stockpiling them he would have stockpiled better songs! Any of the old oasis songs that were released during his solo run were generally b-sides. Revolution Song, Come On Outside, God Help Us All. He didn’t have anything stockpiled at all. |
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Post by AubreyOasis on Sept 6, 2024 17:00:17 GMT -5
Between 98-03 Noel didn't have the songs. The democratic process wasn't just an act of kindness. True, actually I would extend the period to 2008. At some point in 2008 Noel recovers his mojo and starts writing EOTR, IIHAG, TSOTL,... but in the 00s he was clearly struggling to get even 4-5 decent songs per album |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 6, 2024 17:02:54 GMT -5
Between 98-03 Noel didn't have the songs. The democratic process wasn't just an act of kindness. Yes. But by 2005, he was using LAG as a crutch, despite having so many songs. The song writing democracy should have ended at HC. That was his call. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 6, 2024 17:05:08 GMT -5
I appreciate your thoughtful analysis. That’s all that needs to be said for it though. If he was stockpiling songs he’d have kept Little by Little, Stop Crying Your Heart Out, Falling Down, Importance of Being Idle etc. Most of NGHFB was written in the studio while recording DOYS and during that tour. Stop the Clocks and Record Machine were demoed extensively with oasis but they could never get them right. And if he was stockpiling them he would have stockpiled better songs! Any of the old oasis songs that were released during his solo run were generally b-sides. Revolution Song, Come On Outside, God Help Us All. He didn’t have anything stockpiled at all. You can't keep Little By Little and Stop Crying Your Heart Out back if it makes up two thirds of the good material you've written for an album. |
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Post by elephantstone93 on Sept 6, 2024 17:08:19 GMT -5
I do cling onto something and maybe it's naive, but that something is Noel having some great songs stored for an Oasis album. I'm hoping he has songs from the past and recent times that he's written and just put to one side thinking "I can't sing that".
That's my hope anyway.
Even if that isn't the case, I've no doubt he can write a good Oasis album in 2024. He's still writing good songs, that hasn't stopped since 2009.
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Post by Plantpot on Sept 6, 2024 17:30:31 GMT -5
I appreciate your thoughtful analysis. That’s all that needs to be said for it though. If he was stockpiling songs he’d have kept Little by Little, Stop Crying Your Heart Out, Falling Down, Importance of Being Idle etc. Most of NGHFB was written in the studio while recording DOYS and during that tour. Stop the Clocks and Record Machine were demoed extensively with oasis but they could never get them right. And if he was stockpiling them he would have stockpiled better songs! Any of the old oasis songs that were released during his solo run were generally b-sides. Revolution Song, Come On Outside, God Help Us All. He didn’t have anything stockpiled at all. I did not state that he was stockpiling good songs, just that he was stockpiling songs in general. Thank you for your helping me articulate my point. |
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Sept 6, 2024 17:38:47 GMT -5
I actually had a frighteningly weird dream the other night.
Oasis dropped a surprise eighth album, Noel having collaborated on songs with the strangest choices he could think of. One of them being Andrew Lloyd Webber. As youd expect, it was shite and got 1/5 everywhere….
….Then i woke up. Where the fuck all that came from I’ll never know 😂
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Post by mossy on Sept 6, 2024 18:21:28 GMT -5
Going from that May clip of Noel, it sounds like the re-union is more something to give him a break from writing/recording than something for him to write the most anticipated rock album of the decade around. I think he just wants to bag the cash, have a year of huge stadium gigs to boost his confidence, mend some family ties, and then get back to his own stuff when he's refreshed and hopefully inspired again. And I say good luck to him. You’ve changed your tune. 😘 Bit misleading, since the next Noel-written album will be an Oasis one. |
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Post by mossy on Sept 6, 2024 18:26:48 GMT -5
If Noel and Liam are to make a new album, you’d think it would be out by early summer 2025. They don’t want to step on the toes of the Morning Glory 30th anniversary reissue that is 99.999% gonna happen come October of 2025. What will be on it? Who knows. They certainly got us fans to keep buying the 2014 remasters over and over and over again. Tote bag with the back of Noel’s head on it. |
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Post by mossy on Sept 6, 2024 18:29:34 GMT -5
I think this is the most credible scenario, but I wouldn't rule an Oasis album out completely He's gotta feel he has a good one in him and want the challenge, which I'm still not sure about, but if this gives him the right vibes why not Another theory is he might have stored Oasis like tunes away for the last 15 years as he consciously tried to get away from it. If the songs still works for him, it might give him the confidence to pursue an Oasis album. More like 30 years. He discovered that 90s era CD during the pandemic with 14 tunes on it including Slow. They could all be contenders too… |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 6, 2024 19:29:48 GMT -5
At first I thought this will just be gigs for a shit ton of money which is fine. But Noel definitely knows if they release an album next summer it would be a massive seller regardless of quality. Another huge pay day.
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Post by jaq515 on Sept 6, 2024 19:37:30 GMT -5
At first I thought this will just be gigs for a shit ton of money which is fine. But Noel definitely knows if they release an album next summer it would be a massive seller regardless of quality. Another huge pay day. after all this hype, ticket sales, 3 albums in the top 4 this week .. good job noels on the scene knowing if release new music next summer when the gigs are about to happen be massive seller cos not sure anyone else would've thought of that |
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Post by Plantpot on Sept 6, 2024 19:48:26 GMT -5
At first I thought this will just be gigs for a shit ton of money which is fine. But Noel definitely knows if they release an album next summer it would be a massive seller regardless of quality. Another huge pay day. Agreed. It would not be all that unlike the madness leading up to, and also in the immediate aftermath, the release of Be Here Now. I recall those days so vividly. |
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Post by jaq515 on Sept 6, 2024 19:58:36 GMT -5
At first I thought this will just be gigs for a shit ton of money which is fine. But Noel definitely knows if they release an album next summer it would be a massive seller regardless of quality. Another huge pay day. Agreed. It would not be all that unlike the madness leading up to, and also in the immediate aftermath, the release of Be Here Now. I recall those days so vividly. it wouldn't be for a second as even with all this hype its oasis are not mainstream. oasis are a heritage act and the pop culture of today will reign supreme. When BHN came out they were bigger in uk than any mainstream act is today |
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Post by Plantpot on Sept 6, 2024 20:19:48 GMT -5
Agreed. It would not be all that unlike the madness leading up to, and also in the immediate aftermath, the release of Be Here Now. I recall those days so vividly. it wouldn't be for a second as even with all this hype its oasis are not mainstream. oasis are a heritage act and the pop culture of today will reign supreme. When BHN came out they were bigger in uk than any mainstream act is today Perhaps. I suppose we will have to see what develops. They might not even release a new album, which renders the point moot. All I will add is that I am unaware of a time when 14 million people simultaneously queued for 1.3 million tickets for a heritage act. Then again, I am a little rusty with my heritage act knowledge. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 6, 2024 20:30:37 GMT -5
At first I thought this will just be gigs for a shit ton of money which is fine. But Noel definitely knows if they release an album next summer it would be a massive seller regardless of quality. Another huge pay day. after all this hype, ticket sales, 3 albums in the top 4 this week .. good job noels on the scene knowing if release new music next summer when the gigs are about to happen be massive seller cos not sure anyone else would've thought of that Ouch. Nice tone. Sometimes Noel is gonna Noel. Happens all the time dude. |
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Post by jaq515 on Sept 6, 2024 20:31:21 GMT -5
Perhaps. I suppose we will have to see what develops. They might not even release a new album, which renders the point moot. All I will add is that I am unaware of a time when 14 million people simultaneously queued for 1.3 million tickets for a heritage act. Then again, I am a little rusty with my heritage act knowledge. oasis are now 30 years old which is pretty much the same as the Beatles were when we got into oasis in the 90s. I dont think as much as anyone loved the Beatles in the 90s they saw them as part of pop culture. The anthology albums brought them to relevance etc but wasnt part of the movement of the 90s of what was going on and oasis wont be a part of that like they was in 97 when BHN came out |
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