|
|
Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 25, 2024 13:24:38 GMT -5
Haven’t really been following this…. What year was the Morning Son written?
Didn’t realize/forgot it originates from Oasis.
|
|
|
|
Post by andymorris on Mar 26, 2024 2:07:28 GMT -5
Haven’t really been following this…. What year was the Morning Son written? Didn’t realize/forgot it originates from Oasis. We dont know really. Most Beady Eye songs are likely to have been written as early as 2000. |
|
|
|
Post by niftium on Mar 26, 2024 9:35:03 GMT -5
The grammar has always bothered me with this song. 'The morning sun has risen' or 'the morning sun rises' doesn't work the same I guess. Thank you! I always thought I'm the only one! I love the song but I always yell "risen!!!" 🤣 I'm seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeein' A-whole-nother world in my miiiind I love LLAB, but the grammar right there...  Seems this was a particularly bad period for grammar overall if TMS is contemporaneous with the DBTT tracks. |
|
|
|
Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 26, 2024 9:50:56 GMT -5
Thank you! I always thought I'm the only one! I love the song but I always yell "risen!!!" 🤣 I'm seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeein' A-whole-nother world in my miiiind I love LLAB, but the grammar right there... Seems this was a particularly bad period for grammar overall if TMS is contemporaneous with the DBTT tracks. That's the difference from being a good writer to a bad or weak writer. Its a fine line. |
|
|
|
Post by andymorris on Mar 26, 2024 10:45:06 GMT -5
The Sun Has Risen clearly didn't sound right. Rose has been chosen purely for sound. I dont think its a grammar mistake.
But they could have gone with another rhyme. "The Morniiiing Suunn has a hose"
BUT, i'd say usually when a word or verb doesn't fit it means that the melody is not the right one.
|
|
|
|
Post by scyhopath on Mar 26, 2024 12:09:09 GMT -5
What a great find, thanks to maxigonzalez23 and everyone involved for sharing. As for where it might have come from - I remember watching an interview with Kyle Dale of Bittersweet Home in which he showed some Ignition CD-R acetates, so I'm guessing this version of The Morning Son was on one of them as a sampler of what the band was working on at the time. Edit: Here it is, from 7:08 onwards: |
|
|
|
Post by General Dread on Mar 27, 2024 5:26:59 GMT -5
The Sun Has Risen clearly didn't sound right. Rose has been chosen purely for sound. I dont think its a grammar mistake. But they could have gone with another rhyme. "The Morniiiing Suunn has a hose" BUT, i'd say usually when a word or verb doesn't fit it means that the melody is not the right one. During the release cycle of the Beady Eye record I remember an interview where this grammar mistake was brought up and then it seemed like the band was surprised by it.. let me see if I can find it Edit: The song contains the ungrammatical lyric, "The morning son has rose." When told by Q, guitarist Andy Bell said: "I can't believe I didn't pick that up. I'm middle class." |
|
|
|
Post by andymorris on Mar 27, 2024 6:43:54 GMT -5
The Sun Has Risen clearly didn't sound right. Rose has been chosen purely for sound. I dont think its a grammar mistake. But they could have gone with another rhyme. "The Morniiiing Suunn has a hose" BUT, i'd say usually when a word or verb doesn't fit it means that the melody is not the right one. During the release cycle of the Beady Eye record I remember an interview where this grammar mistake was brought up and then it seemed like the band was surprised by it.. let me see if I can find it Edit: The song contains the ungrammatical lyric, "The morning son has rose." When told by Q, guitarist Andy Bell said: "I can't believe I didn't pick that up. I'm middle class." Shocking, if not a joke and im not even english. That's probably the only tricky part in the english language. What do you learn in school ?  I swaer we had to learn irregular verbs by heart here, i was like 13. |
|
Goosey
Oasis Roadie
Posts: 184
|
Post by Goosey on Mar 27, 2024 6:57:31 GMT -5
The Sun Has Risen clearly didn't sound right. Rose has been chosen purely for sound. I dont think its a grammar mistake. But they could have gone with another rhyme. "The Morniiiing Suunn has a hose" BUT, i'd say usually when a word or verb doesn't fit it means that the melody is not the right one. During the release cycle of the Beady Eye record I remember an interview where this grammar mistake was brought up and then it seemed like the band was surprised by it.. let me see if I can find it Edit: The song contains the ungrammatical lyric, "The morning son has rose." When told by Q, guitarist Andy Bell said: "I can't believe I didn't pick that up. I'm middle class." There’s a few examples among the Beady Eye lyrics. I’m Just Saying has the most annoying “I’m not bothered but so are you” as opposed to the correct “neither are you” |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2024 9:20:56 GMT -5
There's Also A Completely Brand New Never Released And Unheard Oasis Song With Liam On Vocals Called "Way Of The World" From Around This Time That's Never Seen The Light Of Day Ofc And Actual Real Recordings Of LG Singin "Stop The Clocks" And "I Wanna Live In A Dream(In My Record Machine)" Etc!!!! All In The Possession Of The One And Fuckin Only Kyle Dale (OCG) X
|
|
|
|
Post by Sadie on Mar 27, 2024 9:49:29 GMT -5
During the release cycle of the Beady Eye record I remember an interview where this grammar mistake was brought up and then it seemed like the band was surprised by it.. let me see if I can find it Edit: The song contains the ungrammatical lyric, "The morning son has rose." When told by Q, guitarist Andy Bell said: "I can't believe I didn't pick that up. I'm middle class." Shocking, if not a joke and im not even english. That's probably the only tricky part in the english language. What do you learn in school ? I swaer we had to learn irregular verbs by heart here, i was like 13. I think it's slightly different now but we never really had to learn the ins and outs of grammar other than the fact that the past, present and future tenses exist as concepts basically. The main focus was on spelling for obvious reasons and I at least essentially learned through tons of reading - terms like past participle and all of that are pretty much alien to any Brit who's never studied a foreign language in any real depth hence stuff like 'the morning son has rose' happens every now and then |
|
|
|
Post by The Escapist on Mar 27, 2024 9:54:13 GMT -5
Visions of Liam bounding around the studio, throwing instruments in passion:
"Your fucking participle's dangling, you twat!" he shouts.
Andy Bell looks up, concerned.
"And sort out your fucking prepositions, too!" adds the Gallagher.
|
|
|
|
Post by Sadie on Mar 27, 2024 9:55:03 GMT -5
Visions of Liam bounding around the studio, throwing instruments in passion: "Your fucking participle's danging, you twat!" he shouts. Andy Bell looks up, concerned. "And sort out your fucking prepositions, as well!" adds the Gallagher. Brilliant 😂 |
|
|
|
Post by His Royal Noelness on Mar 27, 2024 10:24:41 GMT -5
There's Also A Completely Brand New Never Released And Unheard Oasis Song With Liam On Vocals Called "Way Of The World" From Around This Time That's Never Seen The Light Of Day Ofc And Actual Real Recordings Of LG Singin "Stop The Clocks" And "I Wanna Live In A Dream(In My Record Machine)" Etc!!!! All In The Possession Of The One And Fuckin Only Kyle Dale (OCG) X Hopefully they’ll get released instead of hoarded. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2024 10:36:26 GMT -5
There's Also A Completely Brand New Never Released And Unheard Oasis Song With Liam On Vocals Called "Way Of The World" From Around This Time That's Never Seen The Light Of Day Ofc And Actual Real Recordings Of LG Singin "Stop The Clocks" And "I Wanna Live In A Dream(In My Record Machine)" Etc!!!! All In The Possession Of The One And Fuckin Only Kyle Dale (OCG) X Hopefully they’ll get released instead of hoarded. Apparently It Was Written By Andy Bell x |
|
|
|
Post by andymorris on Mar 27, 2024 10:37:51 GMT -5
Shocking, if not a joke and im not even english. That's probably the only tricky part in the english language. What do you learn in school ? I swaer we had to learn irregular verbs by heart here, i was like 13. I think it's slightly different now but we never really had to learn the ins and outs of grammar other than the fact that the past, present and future tenses exist as concepts basically. The main focus was on spelling for obvious reasons and I at least essentially learned through tons of reading - terms like past participle and all of that are pretty much alien to any Brit who's never studied a foreign language in any real depth hence stuff like 'the morning son as rose' happens every now and then This is very interesting. Its amazing how different Countries learn and transmit their own language, and the importance of it within a conversation. I know where i live you get killed if you used the wrong form of a verb. Like everyone laughs at you. |
|
|
|
Post by niftium on Mar 27, 2024 12:17:52 GMT -5
Visions of Liam bounding around the studio, throwing instruments in passion: "Your fucking participle's dangling, you twat!" he shouts. Andy Bell looks up, concerned. "And sort out your fucking prepositions, too!" adds the Gallagher. Years later, reenacting this scene just for giggles, Liam and Andy accidentally broke up the band. |
|
|
|
Post by tiger40 on Mar 27, 2024 13:34:38 GMT -5
There's Also A Completely Brand New Never Released And Unheard Oasis Song With Liam On Vocals Called "Way Of The World" From Around This Time That's Never Seen The Light Of Day Ofc And Actual Real Recordings Of LG Singin "Stop The Clocks" And "I Wanna Live In A Dream(In My Record Machine)" Etc!!!! All In The Possession Of The One And Fuckin Only Kyle Dale (OCG) X Let's hope that we'll get to hear it at some point as I would love to hear it. |
|
|
|
Post by Jim on Mar 27, 2024 13:42:14 GMT -5
Hopefully they’ll get released instead of hoarded. Apparently It Was Written By Andy Bell x Andy released Way Of The World on his second solo album Flicker in 2022. |
|
|
|
Post by thestylecouncil on Mar 27, 2024 13:46:35 GMT -5
There's Also A Completely Brand New Never Released And Unheard Oasis Song With Liam On Vocals Called "Way Of The World" From Around This Time That's Never Seen The Light Of Day Ofc And Actual Real Recordings Of LG Singin "Stop The Clocks" And "I Wanna Live In A Dream(In My Record Machine)" Etc!!!! All In The Possession Of The One And Fuckin Only Kyle Dale (OCG) X Let's hope Kyle will share them, would love to listen to these recordings |
|
|
|
Post by Sadie on Mar 27, 2024 15:13:05 GMT -5
There's Also A Completely Brand New Never Released And Unheard Oasis Song With Liam On Vocals Called "Way Of The World" From Around This Time That's Never Seen The Light Of Day Ofc And Actual Real Recordings Of LG Singin "Stop The Clocks" And "I Wanna Live In A Dream(In My Record Machine)" Etc!!!! All In The Possession Of The One And Fuckin Only Kyle Dale (OCG) X Hopefully they’ll get released instead of hoarded. Somehow my expectations are pretty low but we'll see, I'd kill to hear them |
|
|
|
Post by Sadie on Mar 27, 2024 15:16:23 GMT -5
I think it's slightly different now but we never really had to learn the ins and outs of grammar other than the fact that the past, present and future tenses exist as concepts basically. The main focus was on spelling for obvious reasons and I at least essentially learned through tons of reading - terms like past participle and all of that are pretty much alien to any Brit who's never studied a foreign language in any real depth hence stuff like 'the morning son as rose' happens every now and then This is very interesting. Its amazing how different Countries learn and transmit their own language, and the importance of it within a conversation. I know where i live you get killed if you used the wrong form of a verb. Like everyone laughs at you. Honestly the amount of grammatical errors that native English speakers make purely because we don't know how our language actually works is shocking. Using 'would of' instead of 'would've' when writing comes to mind, that happens a lot cause it isn't really drilled into our heads that 'have' is the auxiliary verb here. It's fascinating though, you're right! This thread took a turn I didn't expect it to but hey 😂 |
|
|
|
Post by fabulousbakers on Mar 27, 2024 16:00:55 GMT -5
The Sun Has Risen clearly didn't sound right. Rose has been chosen purely for sound. I dont think its a grammar mistake. But they could have gone with another rhyme. "The Morniiiing Suunn has a hose" BUT, i'd say usually when a word or verb doesn't fit it means that the melody is not the right one. During the release cycle of the Beady Eye record I remember an interview where this grammar mistake was brought up and then it seemed like the band was surprised by it.. let me see if I can find it Edit: The song contains the ungrammatical lyric, "The morning son has rose." When told by Q, guitarist Andy Bell said: "I can't believe I didn't pick that up. I'm middle class." I always thought the odd grammar was deliberate and that's one of the reasons I liked the song - almost like some sort of speech pattern from the middle ages or the Bible. Indeed in terms of the spelling of the song title the image of a "son" having risen (instead of a "sun") also leans into that Bible imagery. Now I'm told it's not deliberately odd and clever but just the band being a bit stupid? If that's true (and actually I find it hard to believe nobody in the band picked up on the odd phrasing at some stage of the writing/recording) then I don't like it as much! Sorry, but The Morning Sun has falled in my estimation. |
|
|
|
Post by thestylecouncil on Mar 27, 2024 16:31:52 GMT -5
During the release cycle of the Beady Eye record I remember an interview where this grammar mistake was brought up and then it seemed like the band was surprised by it.. let me see if I can find it Edit: The song contains the ungrammatical lyric, "The morning son has rose." When told by Q, guitarist Andy Bell said: "I can't believe I didn't pick that up. I'm middle class." I always thought the odd grammar was deliberate and that's one of the reasons I liked the song - almost like some sort of speech pattern from the middle ages or the Bible. Indeed in terms of the spelling of the song title the image of a "son" having risen (instead of a "sun") also leans into that Bible imagery. Now I'm told it's not deliberately odd and clever but just the band being a bit stupid? If that's true (and actually I find it hard to believe nobody in the band picked up on the odd phrasing at some stage of the writing/recording) then I don't like it as much! Sorry, but The Morning Sun has falled in my estimation. Just because Andy said that, it doesn't mean that it wasn't done on purpose by Liam who is shy about his own lyrics and songwriting in general and tends to downplay everything, doesn't tell people about deeper meanings etc. In general I'm surprised that people would be bothered by grammar in lyrics. They're song lyrics, a piece of art, and not a dissertation, so artistic freedom is very much allowed |
|
|
|
Post by Sadie on Mar 27, 2024 16:32:04 GMT -5
During the release cycle of the Beady Eye record I remember an interview where this grammar mistake was brought up and then it seemed like the band was surprised by it.. let me see if I can find it Edit: The song contains the ungrammatical lyric, "The morning son has rose." When told by Q, guitarist Andy Bell said: "I can't believe I didn't pick that up. I'm middle class." I always thought the odd grammar was deliberate and that's one of the reasons I liked the song - almost like some sort of speech pattern from the middle ages or the Bible. Indeed in terms of the spelling of the song title the image of a "son" having risen (instead of a "sun") also leans into that Bible imagery. Now I'm told it's not deliberately odd and clever but just the band being a bit stupid? If that's true (and actually I find it hard to believe nobody in the band picked up on the odd phrasing at some stage of the writing/recording) then I don't like it as much! Sorry, but The Morning Sun has falled in my estimation. I don't think it was due to laziness in this particular instance mainly because 'risen' just doesn't fit with the melody, BUT it does get on my nerves a bit cause I'm a pedant! |
|
Nov 4, 2024 5:04:30 GMT -5
Nov 4, 2024 5:04:30 GMT -5