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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Jul 19, 2024 3:16:48 GMT -5
More word salad bullshit
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Jul 19, 2024 3:21:10 GMT -5
jeffrey, you strongly remind me certain people I meet in life who when the subject of politics is brought up say "all politicians are the same", "they're all as bad as one another" and inevitably "I don't bother voting". Generally people who disillusioned with politics for one reason or another. I find that when you do this with politics and the media jeffrey you're doing so with broad, clumsy strokes and making false equivalences left, right and centre. You can cherry pick wrongdoings anywhere you like but there's very little sense of proportion. You constantly equate things like they're equally bad. You say that both sides of politics are a cult (and I don’t disagree that those on the far side of the left/right spectrum display are unwavering in their ideology) but can you not see that the hard right have an iron grip over the Republican party and conservative media in a way that the hard left doesn’t have over the Democrat party and other media? Surely you can see that Trump has a cult of personality that isn’t paralleled elsewhere in the United States? Is it not clear that the Democrat party is ideologically broader (with a significant chunk in fact being centre right)? That conservative media are far more willing to toe the line and not hold Trump accountable in a manner that just isn’t the same with Democrat candidates in the media? Are you "alternative media" consumer per chance? I've heard you defend Joe Rogan before and him platforming individuals who (deliberately or not) spread misinformation. Likewise I've heard you praise Russell Brand before. I find that these audiences talk a lot about having an “open mind” but what’s sad to see is often they have very poor filter and are unable to sort information/misinformation and are unable to scale things proportionally. Genuinely curious.
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Post by mimmihopps on Jul 19, 2024 4:08:28 GMT -5
How on earth can anyone support him? If it's not a crime, then what's else?
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Post by carlober on Jul 19, 2024 4:28:00 GMT -5
Jesus Christ.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jul 19, 2024 5:15:53 GMT -5
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Post by RocketMan on Jul 19, 2024 5:16:52 GMT -5
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Jul 19, 2024 5:39:02 GMT -5
How on earth can anyone support him? If it's not a crime, then what's else? It's a cult just like Jim Jones and David Koresh
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Jul 19, 2024 5:53:05 GMT -5
Yeah because this is totally normal behaviour
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Post by globe on Jul 19, 2024 6:44:14 GMT -5
Wow, just watched some clips of Trumps “speech”.
What an unhinged, moronic lunatic this guy is. I mean, Biden clearly has major cognitive issues now but this guy… fuck me.
Wonder how Musk feels about his comments on EVs.
He’ll probably still donate millions to him.
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Post by globe on Jul 19, 2024 6:44:58 GMT -5
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Post by halftheworldaway91 on Jul 19, 2024 9:28:39 GMT -5
I thought Trump’s speech was excellent, he came across very humble.
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Post by globe on Jul 19, 2024 9:37:30 GMT -5
I thought Trump’s speech was excellent, he came across very humble. Bit early to start on the heroin mate.
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Post by jeffrey on Jul 19, 2024 10:56:26 GMT -5
jeffrey, you strongly remind me certain people I meet in life who when the subject of politics is brought up say "all politicians are the same", "they're all as bad as one another" and inevitably "I don't bother voting". Generally people who disillusioned with politics for one reason or another. I find that when you do this with politics and the media jeffrey you're doing so with broad, clumsy strokes and making false equivalences left, right and centre. You can cherry pick wrongdoings anywhere you like but there's very little sense of proportion. You constantly equate things like they're equally bad. You say that both sides of politics are a cult (and I don’t disagree that those on the far side of the left/right spectrum display are unwavering in their ideology) but can you not see that the hard right have an iron grip over the Republican party and conservative media in a way that the hard left doesn’t have over the Democrat party and other media? Surely you can see that Trump has a cult of personality that isn’t paralleled elsewhere in the United States? Is it not clear that the Democrat party is ideologically broader (with a significant chunk in fact being centre right)? That conservative media are far more willing to toe the line and not hold Trump accountable in a manner that just isn’t the same with Democrat candidates in the media? Are you "alternative media" consumer per chance? I've heard you defend Joe Rogan before and him platforming individuals who (deliberately or not) spread misinformation. Likewise I've heard you praise Russell Brand before. I find that these audiences talk a lot about having an “open mind” but what’s sad to see is often they have very poor filter and are unable to sort information/misinformation and are unable to scale things proportionally. Genuinely curious. For political content, I watch Breaking Points and Useful Idiots (current iteration). And you? Also a genuine question. I find it curious that someone who doesn’t live in the U.S. is telling me that, radically speaking, one side has a hard grip on their base and the other doesn’t. If you’re a centrist democrat in this time and don’t wholeheartedly support all of their progressive ideals (some of which are indisputably bonkers), you’re castigated and called a right-winger. The mainstream media here is at minimum three-fold more liberal than conservative and that is perpetuated to the masses. When people post clips in this thread, it’s always from hyper-biased sources. I have provided evidence of extreme wrongdoings by the left to prove both parties are equally fucked, but very few times has anyone critically digested the content/context and THAT is the problem. People nowadays, more than ever, refuse to accept that their opinions may be based on bullshit because they can’t accept that they may have been misinformed. I worked in the legal field, for government, for two decades and slowly watched the destabilization of the country/dissolution of critical-thinking in favor of buying into media narratives from both sides of the aisle. We don’t get news, we get propaganda purposely designed to divide.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 19, 2024 12:46:26 GMT -5
jeffrey, you strongly remind me certain people I meet in life who when the subject of politics is brought up say "all politicians are the same", "they're all as bad as one another" and inevitably "I don't bother voting". Generally people who disillusioned with politics for one reason or another. I find that when you do this with politics and the media jeffrey you're doing so with broad, clumsy strokes and making false equivalences left, right and centre. You can cherry pick wrongdoings anywhere you like but there's very little sense of proportion. You constantly equate things like they're equally bad. You say that both sides of politics are a cult (and I don’t disagree that those on the far side of the left/right spectrum display are unwavering in their ideology) but can you not see that the hard right have an iron grip over the Republican party and conservative media in a way that the hard left doesn’t have over the Democrat party and other media? Surely you can see that Trump has a cult of personality that isn’t paralleled elsewhere in the United States? Is it not clear that the Democrat party is ideologically broader (with a significant chunk in fact being centre right)? That conservative media are far more willing to toe the line and not hold Trump accountable in a manner that just isn’t the same with Democrat candidates in the media? Are you "alternative media" consumer per chance? I've heard you defend Joe Rogan before and him platforming individuals who (deliberately or not) spread misinformation. Likewise I've heard you praise Russell Brand before. I find that these audiences talk a lot about having an “open mind” but what’s sad to see is often they have very poor filter and are unable to sort information/misinformation and are unable to scale things proportionally. Genuinely curious. For political content, I watch Breaking Points and Useful Idiots (current iteration). And you? Also a genuine question. I find it curious that someone who doesn’t live in the U.S. is telling me that, radically speaking, one side has a hard grip on their base and the other doesn’t. If you’re a centrist democrat in this time and don’t wholeheartedly support all of their progressive ideals (some of which are indisputably bonkers), you’re castigated and called a right-winger. The mainstream media here is at minimum three-fold more liberal than conservative and that is perpetuated to the masses. When people post clips in this thread, it’s always from hyper-biased sources. I have provided evidence of extreme wrongdoings by the left to prove both parties are equally fucked, but very few times has anyone critically digested the content/context and THAT is the problem. People nowadays, more than ever, refuse to accept that their opinions may be based on bullshit because they can’t accept that they may have been misinformed. I worked in the legal field, for government, for two decades and slowly watched the destabilization of the country/dissolution of critical-thinking in favor of buying into media narratives from both sides of the aisle. We don’t get news, we get propaganda purposely designed to divide. Breaking points is a good watch. I like Sagaar. Trump’s speech was fine. He was right, it was pretty mellow.
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Post by jeffrey on Jul 19, 2024 15:55:16 GMT -5
For political content, I watch Breaking Points and Useful Idiots (current iteration). And you? Also a genuine question. I find it curious that someone who doesn’t live in the U.S. is telling me that, radically speaking, one side has a hard grip on their base and the other doesn’t. If you’re a centrist democrat in this time and don’t wholeheartedly support all of their progressive ideals (some of which are indisputably bonkers), you’re castigated and called a right-winger. The mainstream media here is at minimum three-fold more liberal than conservative and that is perpetuated to the masses. When people post clips in this thread, it’s always from hyper-biased sources. I have provided evidence of extreme wrongdoings by the left to prove both parties are equally fucked, but very few times has anyone critically digested the content/context and THAT is the problem. People nowadays, more than ever, refuse to accept that their opinions may be based on bullshit because they can’t accept that they may have been misinformed. I worked in the legal field, for government, for two decades and slowly watched the destabilization of the country/dissolution of critical-thinking in favor of buying into media narratives from both sides of the aisle. We don’t get news, we get propaganda purposely designed to divide. Breaking points is a good watch. I like Sagaar. Trump’s speech was fine. He was right, it was pretty mellow. Politically speaking, I try to consume content that offers info/discourse from both sides as I genuinely believe that’s the only legitimate way to gain an understanding of perspectives.
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Jul 19, 2024 19:43:04 GMT -5
Just my opinion and they might sound like a conspiracy but hey the world is full of them, but isn't it convenient that trump got fake assination attempt just as the Epstein files are about to be released, cos that pedo rapist orange moron is named numerous times, nice diversion
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Post by jezza2 on Jul 19, 2024 21:08:18 GMT -5
You know, it's quite hilarious that both sides have argued that it was a staged assassination attempt. Finally, some bi-partisan effort here
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Jul 19, 2024 23:54:43 GMT -5
Just my opinion and they might sound like a conspiracy but hey the world is full of them, but isn't it convenient that trump got fake assination attempt just as the Epstein files are about to be released, cos that pedo rapist orange moron is named numerous times, nice diversion I think he's the American Diabolik Pluto (assassinated Lazio Ultra). He's going to find out what you don't do to spite this.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Jul 20, 2024 3:43:06 GMT -5
jeffrey, you strongly remind me certain people I meet in life who when the subject of politics is brought up say "all politicians are the same", "they're all as bad as one another" and inevitably "I don't bother voting". Generally people who disillusioned with politics for one reason or another. I find that when you do this with politics and the media jeffrey you're doing so with broad, clumsy strokes and making false equivalences left, right and centre. You can cherry pick wrongdoings anywhere you like but there's very little sense of proportion. You constantly equate things like they're equally bad. You say that both sides of politics are a cult (and I don’t disagree that those on the far side of the left/right spectrum display are unwavering in their ideology) but can you not see that the hard right have an iron grip over the Republican party and conservative media in a way that the hard left doesn’t have over the Democrat party and other media? Surely you can see that Trump has a cult of personality that isn’t paralleled elsewhere in the United States? Is it not clear that the Democrat party is ideologically broader (with a significant chunk in fact being centre right)? That conservative media are far more willing to toe the line and not hold Trump accountable in a manner that just isn’t the same with Democrat candidates in the media? Are you "alternative media" consumer per chance? I've heard you defend Joe Rogan before and him platforming individuals who (deliberately or not) spread misinformation. Likewise I've heard you praise Russell Brand before. I find that these audiences talk a lot about having an “open mind” but what’s sad to see is often they have very poor filter and are unable to sort information/misinformation and are unable to scale things proportionally. Genuinely curious. For political content, I watch Breaking Points and Useful Idiots (current iteration). And you? Also a genuine question. I find it curious that someone who doesn’t live in the U.S. is telling me that, radically speaking, one side has a hard grip on their base and the other doesn’t. If you’re a centrist democrat in this time and don’t wholeheartedly support all of their progressive ideals (some of which are indisputably bonkers), you’re castigated and called a right-winger. The mainstream media here is at minimum three-fold more liberal than conservative and that is perpetuated to the masses. When people post clips in this thread, it’s always from hyper-biased sources. I have provided evidence of extreme wrongdoings by the left to prove both parties are equally fucked, but very few times has anyone critically digested the content/context and THAT is the problem. People nowadays, more than ever, refuse to accept that their opinions may be based on bullshit because they can’t accept that they may have been misinformed. I worked in the legal field, for government, for two decades and slowly watched the destabilization of the country/dissolution of critical-thinking in favor of buying into media narratives from both sides of the aisle. We don’t get news, we get propaganda purposely designed to divide. Most British news channels (the BBC, ITV, Channel 4, Channel 5, Sky News) are pretty good because of strict regulations enforced by OFCOM. Amongst other things it tries to maintain a high level of impartiality, accuracy and fairness. When a broadcaster is found to break these rules it can punish them. British news channels are far better than British newspapers which for the large part are sensationalist rubbish. American news channels are very different to those in the UK and when I've tried watching them I've found the experience to be quite painful. That's not to say the previously listed British news channels are 100% perfect all of the time, they're not, but overall they have a good reputation thanks in large part to them consistently being held accountable. I'm unfamiliar with Breaking Points or Useful Idiots but I see they're both podcasts/shows with the former describing themselves as anti-establishment. I'm not going to comment on either because I don't know anything about them but I'd be curious to know how much of the shows are opinion based content and how exactly they're held accountable? Just because someone doesn't live in the US doesn't mean they can't possibly be informed on what is happening in the country. You've leveled this at multiple people now and I find it to be conveniently dismissive. Perhaps outside perspectives are what people in the US need to hear a little more of? I don't believe you've at all "provided evidence" and "proved" that the Democrat party is as "equally fucked" as the Republican party. I think your equally bad narrative is quite obviously a gross, lazy simplification of a very complex reality. If you think that the hard left are running the Democrat party akin to how the hard right running the Republican party then I don't know what to say to you. I suspect what you consider centre ground is significantly further to the right than what in the UK is considered centre ground. And trust me, we're only too familiar with conservatives.
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Jul 20, 2024 7:16:07 GMT -5
Anyone else find it sickening that trump never called the widow of the poor sod who got shot and killed last week, instead he decided to play golf the next day cos let's be honest nowt gets in the way of a round of golf, also he wasn't wearing his pity me bandage when golfing but whenever he's in public won't take the c-unt off
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Post by globe on Jul 20, 2024 11:22:08 GMT -5
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Post by globe on Jul 20, 2024 11:22:50 GMT -5
Anyone else find it sickening that trump never called the widow of the poor sod who got shot and killed last week, instead he decided to play golf the next day cos let's be honest nowt gets in the way of a round of golf, also he wasn't wearing his pity me bandage when golfing but whenever he's in public won't take the c-unt off Didn't have the bandage on that day he was playing golf either.
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Jul 20, 2024 11:41:26 GMT -5
This just about sums up the maga cult
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Post by halftheworldaway91 on Jul 20, 2024 15:26:20 GMT -5
The golf picture was from 2022. More fake news.
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Jul 20, 2024 15:54:43 GMT -5
The golf picture was from 2022. More fake news. prove it
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