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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Jun 14, 2024 12:32:46 GMT -5
HAPPY BIRTHDAY PRESIDENT TRUMP!! 🎈 He's just three years younger than Biden. Why does no one seem to care about his age? Think about that.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 14, 2024 12:38:36 GMT -5
HAPPY BIRTHDAY PRESIDENT TRUMP!! 🎈 He's just three years younger than Biden. Why does no one seem to care about his age? Think about that. Because it’s not about the age… it’s not about the number….
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Post by halftheworldaway91 on Jun 14, 2024 15:05:36 GMT -5
Happy birthday President Trump!
Make America Great Again!
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Jun 14, 2024 18:16:22 GMT -5
STOP THE PRESS TRUMP IS TALKING RIGHT NOW OF HIS PLAN FOR MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN or he's just talking pure non stop nonsense about fuck all
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Post by tiger40 on Jun 15, 2024 12:47:19 GMT -5
STOP THE PRESS TRUMP IS TALKING RIGHT NOW OF HIS PLAN FOR MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN or he's just talking pure non stop nonsense about fuck all That will be the day as he'll never do that in a million years.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 15, 2024 15:12:22 GMT -5
Donald Trump gets knocked down. But he gets up again. You’re never going to keep Trump down.
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Jun 16, 2024 4:51:16 GMT -5
Donald Trump gets knocked down. But he gets up again. You’re never going to keep Trump down. He forgets one thing: Jon Schaffer can actually testify about Jan 6 because Trump gave his idiotic leader orders that day within his earshot.
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Jun 16, 2024 4:52:41 GMT -5
Interesting how Brian Houston knew in 2018 that Trump was a kiddie diddler.
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Jun 16, 2024 6:34:51 GMT -5
Actually I might have been wrong about DJT here he lays out his plan to make America great again talking about healthcare etc etc Nah only kidding just more insane nonsense about passing a dementia test and sharks and utter fuckin drivel
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Post by mimmihopps on Jun 16, 2024 6:51:46 GMT -5
Donald Trump gets knocked down. But he gets up again. You’re never going to keep Trump down. I'm amazed your ongoing support and blindness towards him.
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Post by The Chief on Jun 16, 2024 7:08:31 GMT -5
Donald Trump gets knocked down. But he gets up again. You’re never going to keep Trump down. I'm amazed your ongoing support and blindness towards him. I'm not sadly, that's how indoctrination works. Once they're in, it's really hard to get them out even when presented with undeniable truths. It's a bloody shame.
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Jun 16, 2024 8:08:00 GMT -5
I think DJT might have an actual plan to tackle the border and inflation which is now quite low in the USA Haha nah only kidding he's a rant about water and showers and his hair MAGA!!!
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Post by halftheworldaway91 on Jun 16, 2024 8:18:30 GMT -5
Now, this looks like a job for Don So everybody, just follow him 'Cause we need a little controversy 'Cause it feels so empty without Trump
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Post by jeffrey on Jun 16, 2024 10:52:39 GMT -5
I'm amazed your ongoing support and blindness towards him. I'm not sadly, that's how indoctrination works. Once they're in, it's really hard to get them out even when presented with undeniable truths. It's a bloody shame. And it’s exceeding obvious there are indoctrinated people on both sides in this thread; trolling, incessant posting of biased content by media PACs, he’s great/he’s satan, with almost zero real discussion or willingness to look at things from another perspective. I read 1984 again, over the past week. It’s genuinely terrifying how accurate/prophetic it is in relation to our current times. The truth is out there if you want to find it, and it damn sure ain’t coming from state and corporate media. They blind us with purposeful and planned propaganda that perpetuates hatred against our peers, while they steal our freedoms, little by little (there are endless examples). We have much more in common with one another, as humans, relying on each other to survive, than we do differences. And most of the differences are based on opinions… why should we ever have contempt for someone based on their opinions when opinions are born out of singular experiences/perspectives? If you won’t allow yourself to listen and truly hear what someone with a different perspective than you has, you exist in a world devoid of any genuine comprehension/understanding of humanity.
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Post by tiger40 on Jun 16, 2024 12:59:33 GMT -5
Donald Trump gets knocked down. But he gets up again. You’re never going to keep Trump down. Really? How you can support this idiot is beyond me.
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Post by The Chief on Jun 16, 2024 14:04:49 GMT -5
I'm not sadly, that's how indoctrination works. Once they're in, it's really hard to get them out even when presented with undeniable truths. It's a bloody shame. And it’s exceeding obvious there are indoctrinated people on both sides in this thread; trolling, incessant posting of biased content by media PACs, he’s great/he’s satan, with almost zero real discussion or willingness to look at things from another perspective. I read 1984 again, over the past week. It’s genuinely terrifying how accurate/prophetic it is in relation to our current times. The truth is out there if you want to find it, and it damn sure ain’t coming from state and corporate media. They blind us with purposeful and planned propaganda that perpetuates hatred against our peers, while they steal our freedoms, little by little (there are endless examples). We have much more in common with one another, as humans, relying on each other to survive, than we do differences. And most of the differences are based on opinions… why should we ever have contempt for someone based on their opinions when opinions are born out of singular experiences/perspectives? If you won’t allow yourself to listen and truly hear what someone with a different perspective than you has, you exist in a world devoid of any genuine comprehension/understanding of humanity. Not to sound like Shrek, but this has layers. Contempt against Trump fanatics or other types of indoctrinated people is pointless indeed. Since you quoted me, I'm guessing this is aimed at me but you won't find me being contemptuous to someone for that. Unless you're saying that me saying it's indoctrination is contempt, in which case I would advise you to read the definition and look at what people who to this day are Trump fans do. If you don't see a correlation, I'm not the blind one. Also, you don't need the media or the opinion of anyone else to be anti-Trump... you can simply listen to what he says and look at what he does. If you want it unfiltered, watch his rallies or even pro-Republican medias or read what he says on his Truth social. That's all I need. I judge him on what he is, what he says and what he does...
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Post by mimmihopps on Jun 17, 2024 7:00:30 GMT -5
And it’s exceeding obvious there are indoctrinated people on both sides in this thread; trolling, incessant posting of biased content by media PACs, he’s great/he’s satan, with almost zero real discussion or willingness to look at things from another perspective. I read 1984 again, over the past week. It’s genuinely terrifying how accurate/prophetic it is in relation to our current times. The truth is out there if you want to find it, and it damn sure ain’t coming from state and corporate media. They blind us with purposeful and planned propaganda that perpetuates hatred against our peers, while they steal our freedoms, little by little (there are endless examples). We have much more in common with one another, as humans, relying on each other to survive, than we do differences. And most of the differences are based on opinions… why should we ever have contempt for someone based on their opinions when opinions are born out of singular experiences/perspectives? If you won’t allow yourself to listen and truly hear what someone with a different perspective than you has, you exist in a world devoid of any genuine comprehension/understanding of humanity. Not to sound like Shrek, but this has layers. Contempt against Trump fanatics or other types of indoctrinated people is pointless indeed. Since you quoted me, I'm guessing this is aimed at me but you won't find me being contemptuous to someone for that. Unless you're saying that me saying it's indoctrination is contempt, in which case I would advise you to read the definition and look at what people who to this day are Trump fans do. If you don't see a correlation, I'm not the blind one. Also, you don't need the media or the opinion of anyone else to be anti-Trump... you can simply listen to what he says and look at what he does. If you want it unfiltered, watch his rallies or even pro-Republican medias or read what he says on his Truth social.
That's all I need. I judge him on what he is, what he says and what he does...I couldn't agree more.
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Post by jeffrey on Jun 17, 2024 9:31:23 GMT -5
And it’s exceeding obvious there are indoctrinated people on both sides in this thread; trolling, incessant posting of biased content by media PACs, he’s great/he’s satan, with almost zero real discussion or willingness to look at things from another perspective. I read 1984 again, over the past week. It’s genuinely terrifying how accurate/prophetic it is in relation to our current times. The truth is out there if you want to find it, and it damn sure ain’t coming from state and corporate media. They blind us with purposeful and planned propaganda that perpetuates hatred against our peers, while they steal our freedoms, little by little (there are endless examples). We have much more in common with one another, as humans, relying on each other to survive, than we do differences. And most of the differences are based on opinions… why should we ever have contempt for someone based on their opinions when opinions are born out of singular experiences/perspectives? If you won’t allow yourself to listen and truly hear what someone with a different perspective than you has, you exist in a world devoid of any genuine comprehension/understanding of humanity. Not to sound like Shrek, but this has layers. Contempt against Trump fanatics or other types of indoctrinated people is pointless indeed. Since you quoted me, I'm guessing this is aimed at me but you won't find me being contemptuous to someone for that. Unless you're saying that me saying it's indoctrination is contempt, in which case I would advise you to read the definition and look at what people who to this day are Trump fans do. If you don't see a correlation, I'm not the blind one. Also, you don't need the media or the opinion of anyone else to be anti-Trump... you can simply listen to what he says and look at what he does. If you want it unfiltered, watch his rallies or even pro-Republican medias or read what he says on his Truth social. That's all I need. I judge him on what he is, what he says and what he does... I quoted you because of the term indoctrination. My initial statement was a generalization about the state of humanity, not directed at you solely. In our highly polarized state, it’s easy for anyone to become entrenched in a particular viewpoint without fully considering alternative perspectives. There have been countless, known, fabricated lies perpetuated by the media to make Trump out to be a foreign agent, racist, nazi sympathizer and people still believe this shit. Our fucking intelligence agencies lied on record about the Russian collusion and the recent convictions will be overturned due to manipulation of law and precedent, as well as several reversible errors committed by the judge. Are you aware that Biden’s political record is abominable and has been met with mockery his entire career, not just from his opponents but from within his own party? Since you pay attention to Trump though, what did he do while president that could be considered worse than other modern presidents? Genuinely? I don’t believe you reside in the U.S. — if you did and were honest, you’d admit that the country is in a FAR worse place now than four years ago. If it’s Biden vs Trump in November, Trump will win in a landslide; will you consider every person who voted for him a far-right, indoctrinated lunatic or will you allow yourself to view it from a different perspective?
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Post by carlober on Jun 17, 2024 10:05:58 GMT -5
Ah, if I had a penny for every time that Orwell or 1984 was mentioned in the wrong context...
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Post by jeffrey on Jun 17, 2024 10:13:39 GMT -5
Ah, if I had a penny for every time that Orwell or 1984 was mentioned in the wrong context... Please, tell me how you believe others should contextualize the book. Let’s debate.
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Post by matt on Jun 17, 2024 11:37:14 GMT -5
And it’s exceeding obvious there are indoctrinated people on both sides in this thread; trolling, incessant posting of biased content by media PACs, he’s great/he’s satan, with almost zero real discussion or willingness to look at things from another perspective. I read 1984 again, over the past week. It’s genuinely terrifying how accurate/prophetic it is in relation to our current times. The truth is out there if you want to find it, and it damn sure ain’t coming from state and corporate media. They blind us with purposeful and planned propaganda that perpetuates hatred against our peers, while they steal our freedoms, little by little (there are endless examples). We have much more in common with one another, as humans, relying on each other to survive, than we do differences. And most of the differences are based on opinions… why should we ever have contempt for someone based on their opinions when opinions are born out of singular experiences/perspectives? If you won’t allow yourself to listen and truly hear what someone with a different perspective than you has, you exist in a world devoid of any genuine comprehension/understanding of humanity. Not to sound like Shrek, but this has layers. Contempt against Trump fanatics or other types of indoctrinated people is pointless indeed. Since you quoted me, I'm guessing this is aimed at me but you won't find me being contemptuous to someone for that. Unless you're saying that me saying it's indoctrination is contempt, in which case I would advise you to read the definition and look at what people who to this day are Trump fans do. If you don't see a correlation, I'm not the blind one. Also, you don't need the media or the opinion of anyone else to be anti-Trump... you can simply listen to what he says and look at what he does. If you want it unfiltered, watch his rallies or even pro-Republican medias or read what he says on his Truth social. That's all I need. I judge him on what he is, what he says and what he does... Heaven forbid that you should immensely dislike and refuse to listen to a sleazy, corrupt, aggressive, incendiary sexual abuser. You are quite obviously under the control of big media.
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Post by jeffrey on Jun 17, 2024 12:17:38 GMT -5
Not to sound like Shrek, but this has layers. Contempt against Trump fanatics or other types of indoctrinated people is pointless indeed. Since you quoted me, I'm guessing this is aimed at me but you won't find me being contemptuous to someone for that. Unless you're saying that me saying it's indoctrination is contempt, in which case I would advise you to read the definition and look at what people who to this day are Trump fans do. If you don't see a correlation, I'm not the blind one. Also, you don't need the media or the opinion of anyone else to be anti-Trump... you can simply listen to what he says and look at what he does. If you want it unfiltered, watch his rallies or even pro-Republican medias or read what he says on his Truth social. That's all I need. I judge him on what he is, what he says and what he does... Heaven forbid that you should immensely dislike and refuse to listen to a sleazy, corrupt, aggressive, incendiary sexual abuser. You are quite obviously under the control of big media. Not at all. I vehemently dislike both options, but I can plainly see that the justice system has been politically weaponized against one of them. People want to act as if Biden has led a better, less corrupt presidency and I’m saying he hasn’t. I don’t like Trump and think he’s an immature, ego-maniac, but I’m willing to look at both sides, review the facts and be objective. I don’t see objectivity here (either pro or anti Trump) and that’s my point. Where are the substantive arguments and information to support that he’s some sort of evil monster, while the rest of politicians are heaven-sent angels? The issue is that the government never tells us the whole truth about anything and they’ve been caught perpetuating known propaganda for decades… The attempts to portray Trump as this evil, nazi-sympathizer, who has led the country to the current state of divisive deconstruction of U.S. values have only increased the his voter base. They fucked up and made him a martyr in the eyes of millions because people are starting to realize how corrupt the system has always been. Everyone has the right to support whichever candidate they want, but to act as if Trump is any worse than Biden is nonsense. Again, I live in the U.S. and I can see how much public sentiment toward institutions have dwindled. And that’s the fault of the people running the institutions.
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Post by matt on Jun 17, 2024 12:50:21 GMT -5
Heaven forbid that you should immensely dislike and refuse to listen to a sleazy, corrupt, aggressive, incendiary sexual abuser. You are quite obviously under the control of big media. Not at all. I vehemently dislike both options, but I can plainly see that the justice system has been politically weaponized against one of them. People want to act as if Biden has led a better, less corrupt presidency and I’m saying he hasn’t. I don’t like Trump and think he’s an immature, ego-maniac, but I’m willing to look at both sides, review the facts and be objective. I don’t see objectivity here (either pro or anti Trump) and that’s my point. Where are the substantive arguments and information to support that he’s some sort of evil monster, while the rest of politicians are heaven-sent angels? The issue is that the government never tells us the whole truth about anything and they’ve been caught perpetuating known propaganda for decades… The attempts to portray Trump as this evil, nazi-sympathizer, who has led the country to the current state of divisive deconstruction of U.S. values have only increased the his voter base. They fucked up and made him a martyr in the eyes of millions because people are starting to realize how corrupt the system has always been. Everyone has the right to support whichever candidate they want, but to act as if Trump is any worse than Biden is nonsense. Again, I live in the U.S. and I can see how much public sentiment toward institutions have dwindled. And that’s the fault of the people running the institutions. No I'm not saying he's the cause for division and unrest. But he is a symptom of a failing democracy. As with the likes of Farage and Johnson over here. People and society have to be in a pretty bad state to look at these guys and think 'yeah they're the answer'. As I say, Trump is a symptom, not the cause. The bottom line is this though - don't try to make him out to be a solution either.
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Post by jeffrey on Jun 17, 2024 13:05:03 GMT -5
Not at all. I vehemently dislike both options, but I can plainly see that the justice system has been politically weaponized against one of them. People want to act as if Biden has led a better, less corrupt presidency and I’m saying he hasn’t. I don’t like Trump and think he’s an immature, ego-maniac, but I’m willing to look at both sides, review the facts and be objective. I don’t see objectivity here (either pro or anti Trump) and that’s my point. Where are the substantive arguments and information to support that he’s some sort of evil monster, while the rest of politicians are heaven-sent angels? The issue is that the government never tells us the whole truth about anything and they’ve been caught perpetuating known propaganda for decades… The attempts to portray Trump as this evil, nazi-sympathizer, who has led the country to the current state of divisive deconstruction of U.S. values have only increased the his voter base. They fucked up and made him a martyr in the eyes of millions because people are starting to realize how corrupt the system has always been. Everyone has the right to support whichever candidate they want, but to act as if Trump is any worse than Biden is nonsense. Again, I live in the U.S. and I can see how much public sentiment toward institutions have dwindled. And that’s the fault of the people running the institutions. No I'm not saying he's the cause for division and unrest. But he is a symptom of a failing democracy. As with the likes of Farage and Johnson over here. People and society have to be in a pretty bad state to look at these guys and think 'yeah they're the answer'. As I say, Trump is a symptom, not the cause. The bottom line is this though - don't try to make him out to be a solution either. Fucking hell… we fully agree on something! I’m willing to bet we could actually find common ground on most issues if we sincerely spoke to/listened to each other.
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Post by The Chief on Jun 17, 2024 13:22:37 GMT -5
Not to sound like Shrek, but this has layers. Contempt against Trump fanatics or other types of indoctrinated people is pointless indeed. Since you quoted me, I'm guessing this is aimed at me but you won't find me being contemptuous to someone for that. Unless you're saying that me saying it's indoctrination is contempt, in which case I would advise you to read the definition and look at what people who to this day are Trump fans do. If you don't see a correlation, I'm not the blind one. Also, you don't need the media or the opinion of anyone else to be anti-Trump... you can simply listen to what he says and look at what he does. If you want it unfiltered, watch his rallies or even pro-Republican medias or read what he says on his Truth social. That's all I need. I judge him on what he is, what he says and what he does... I quoted you because of the term indoctrination. My initial statement was a generalization about the state of humanity, not directed at you solely. In our highly polarized state, it’s easy for anyone to become entrenched in a particular viewpoint without fully considering alternative perspectives. There have been countless, known, fabricated lies perpetuated by the media to make Trump out to be a foreign agent, racist, nazi sympathizer and people still believe this shit. Our fucking intelligence agencies lied on record about the Russian collusion and the recent convictions will be overturned due to manipulation of law and precedent, as well as several reversible errors committed by the judge. Are you aware that Biden’s political record is abominable and has been met with mockery his entire career, not just from his opponents but from within his own party? Since you pay attention to Trump though, what did he do while president that could be considered worse than other modern presidents? Genuinely? I don’t believe you reside in the U.S. — if you did and were honest, you’d admit that the country is in a FAR worse place now than four years ago. If it’s Biden vs Trump in November, Trump will win in a landslide; will you consider every person who voted for him a far-right, indoctrinated lunatic or will you allow yourself to view it from a different perspective? I'm not gonna answer all of this because frankly it's a waste of both of our time. We're not going to solve anything on an Oasis forum and we will never see eye to eye. What I will say though is this. First, it's not either or. My opinion on Trump does not mean I like Biden or even that I prefer Biden politically. You are in the same boat from what I'm reading. Second, people who look at everything Trump has said and done and still blindly follow and defend him are indoctrinated OR they agree with what he is. That's either or. I'm not talking about political opinion and not wanting to vote for Biden, that's another thing altogether. Sadly, in a two-party system, things are often viewed as black or white. Third, if someone told me that they know Trump is an absolute POS but think that Biden is worse for the country, I wouldn't think they're indoctrinated. I would be interested in knowing why they feel like that. Not with blanket statements about the state of the country or quoting 1984. That's where I lose interest, no offense. Lastly, for me, it's not just political. It's a question of who is more humane in general. Trump is a narcissist, misogynist, fake who funnels everything through the lens of his ego and self-worth. He doesn't give a shit about the country, the people who vote for him, the people who work for him, the people around him. He's proven that publicly so often in the last 10 years that I don't need to list it here. If he was a choice in my country, I would vote for someone else unless they were less humane than him. I don't think Biden is less humane than Trump. If he is, he's better at hiding it than the other turd. If you're inhumane, you shouldn't be in the driver's seat of a country, let alone the most powerful country in the world.
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