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Post by AubreyOasis on Jan 17, 2024 15:53:42 GMT -5
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Post by matt on Jan 17, 2024 16:15:43 GMT -5
Who would have thought there would be some “Harrison style slide guitar”… This one is probably for the fans of the Tomorrow never knows style drums and the Rain style bassline. Never made before experiments all of them. George Harrison didn’t invent slide guitar and it didn’t go to the grave with him. I think Oasis deserved the Beatles rip off tag in the 2000s when many of their songs around then embarrassingly aped the Fab Four, but at the same time, so many journalists make the most tenuous links like it does here. I even read a review of Be Here Now that referenced Stand By Me being influenced by The Beatles because even though there is the massive Ben E King hit of the same name, the reviewer assumed they got that from the same song on account of John Lennon covering it. Some mental gymnastics going on there. |
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Post by yogurt on Jan 17, 2024 18:19:20 GMT -5
George Harrison didn’t invent slide guitar and it didn’t go to the grave with him. I think Oasis deserved the Beatles rip off tag in the 2000s when many of their songs around then embarrassingly aped the Fab Four, but at the same time, so many journalists make the most tenuous links like it does here. I even read a review of Be Here Now that referenced Stand By Me being influenced by The Beatles because even though there is the massive Ben E King hit of the same name, the reviewer assumed they got that from the same song on account of John Lennon covering it. Some mental gymnastics going on there. Talking about the 2000s. What bothered me a lot about mid 2000s oasis recordings is I think it was lazy production in the sense if you had a song like The Importance Of Being Idle, clearly a Kinks influenced song, or Mucky Fingers, clearly a Velvet Underground influence, but they even made the production and instrumentation choices pretty much sound like those bands. In the 90s, you can say Cigarettes and Alcohol is T-Rex and other examples, but production wise it was nothing like T-Rex, it was very much Oasis and Owen Morris in the production style and mix, rather than chase the sound of the song its influenced by. Anyway I'm getting off the thread topic here. It's just one of the things that never sat right with the later albums, I think a lot of identity was lost and some songs bordered on pastiche more than just influence. |
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Post by OasisFan199 on Jan 17, 2024 21:35:24 GMT -5
I think Oasis deserved the Beatles rip off tag in the 2000s when many of their songs around then embarrassingly aped the Fab Four, but at the same time, so many journalists make the most tenuous links like it does here. I even read a review of Be Here Now that referenced Stand By Me being influenced by The Beatles because even though there is the massive Ben E King hit of the same name, the reviewer assumed they got that from the same song on account of John Lennon covering it. Some mental gymnastics going on there. Talking about the 2000s. What bothered me a lot about mid 2000s oasis recordings is I think it was lazy production in the sense if you had a song like The Importance Of Being Idle, clearly a Kinks influenced song, or Mucky Fingers, clearly a Velvet Underground influence, but they even made the production and instrumentation choices pretty much sound like those bands. In the 90s, you can say Cigarettes and Alcohol is T-Rex and other examples, but production wise it was nothing like T-Rex, it was very much Oasis and Owen Morris in the production style and mix, rather than chase the sound of the song its influenced by. Anyway I'm getting off the thread topic here. It's just one of the things that never sat right with the later albums, I think a lot of identity was lost and some songs bordered on pastiche more than just influence. I don’t agree. The production of both songs are muddy troggery |
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Post by glider on Jan 17, 2024 21:49:20 GMT -5
Talking about the 2000s. What bothered me a lot about mid 2000s oasis recordings is I think it was lazy production in the sense if you had a song like The Importance Of Being Idle, clearly a Kinks influenced song, or Mucky Fingers, clearly a Velvet Underground influence, but they even made the production and instrumentation choices pretty much sound like those bands. In the 90s, you can say Cigarettes and Alcohol is T-Rex and other examples, but production wise it was nothing like T-Rex, it was very much Oasis and Owen Morris in the production style and mix, rather than chase the sound of the song its influenced by. Anyway I'm getting off the thread topic here. It's just one of the things that never sat right with the later albums, I think a lot of identity was lost and some songs bordered on pastiche more than just influence. I don’t agree. The production of both songs are muddy troggery Those original analog mixes sound way better than Sardy's drudgework. |
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Post by sheisloved on Jan 17, 2024 22:05:54 GMT -5
The 2nd Oasis shifted sounds when Bonehead and Guigsy left it was never the same. They had the perfect recipe of melodic rock with soaring choruses and a wall of sound with sonic static rough noise. Everyone always wants bands to evolve but when they do many fail miserably. I'm not a big U2 fan by any stretch but they are an exception with Actung Baby.
I wish they went back to their 1st album sound for their last album. If they ever make a record which is probably less than a 5% chance if that I would hope they would go back to their roots.
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Jan 18, 2024 0:38:50 GMT -5
Aside from that, they have to offer us a cover of Love Me And Leave Me. On the album, bonus track, whatever... it has to be there. I've never heard it. What contribution does Liam actually offer? Did he write the words? Some words? It's from the 90s so can't really believe that Liam offered too much back then by way of lyrics and the song doesn't have a wiki page so can't source my own info. |
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Post by PepsiNebula on Jan 18, 2024 1:11:36 GMT -5
Aside from that, they have to offer us a cover of Love Me And Leave Me. On the album, bonus track, whatever... it has to be there. I've never heard it. What contribution does Liam actually offer? Did he write the words? Some words? It's from the 90s so can't really believe that Liam offered too much back then by way of lyrics and the song doesn't have a wiki page so can't source my own info. Somewhere along the road Noel had shown up, proudly clutching his latest acquisition - a cherry red 1966 Epiphone Sheraton guitar. "American. Only 53 ever made. As rare as a song written by Liam Gallagher, as they say," was his description. In fact, Liam ("Our kid", they are both "Our Kid") had just had his first non-Oasis hit, having written the words to 'Love Me And Leave Me' by the Seahorses. A pretty good song too, if you like John Lennon. "John Squire come round me house one night for some aspirin and we ended up having a rant - a bit of this, a bit of that - and the paracetamol was a bit too strong for him, so we wrote that song. I've had this thing in me head for ages - I don't believe in Jesus, I don't believe in Jah - I don't believe in religion basically. I was brought up going to church and after circumstances in my life changed, I thought - f*** Jesus, f*** 'em all. It was because of me Mam and her divorce, how she couldn't take the Body of Christ anymore. They're telling her it's a big sin, she can't go to heaven and all that bollocks. She's put her whole faith in the church, but where's their faith in her?"
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Post by andymorris on Jan 18, 2024 1:36:34 GMT -5
Aside from that, they have to offer us a cover of Love Me And Leave Me. On the album, bonus track, whatever... it has to be there. I've never heard it. What contribution does Liam actually offer? Did he write the words? Some words? It's from the 90s so can't really believe that Liam offered too much back then by way of lyrics and the song doesn't have a wiki page so can't source my own info. We dont know. He probably added a few words here and there, and even that... I dont know. the words dont sound like Liam. From reddit (not a reliable source but that's all we have) https://www.reddit.com/r/oasis/comments/jb59sa/liam_cowrote_love_me_and_leave_me_1997_by_the/ "the story goes that Liam and Squire did the lyrics on a night out, and then Squire put the music to it, and the seashorses singer sang it. Liam wasn't there for the recording process. No idea though if Liam just contributed to the lyrics or are they all his own." Someone mention that he was credited to attract some publicity to the band, i guess that's about right. Anyway, it would make a nice cover, for a bside or something, its a good song. |
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Jan 18, 2024 3:40:39 GMT -5
Well! If it was stated that Liam wrote the lyrics we have to believe it! Because if we believe when Liam is credited only as a singer and not as a writer of a song we must also believe when he is credited as a writer instead. Because otherwise it means having no trust or respect in what he does, and then we might as well listen to other singers instead of pretending to be fans of those we don't love.
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Post by andymorris on Jan 18, 2024 5:55:32 GMT -5
Well! If it was stated that Liam wrote the lyrics we have to believe it! Because if we believe when Liam is credited only as a singer and not as a writer of a song we must also believe when he is credited as a writer instead. Because otherwise it means having no trust or respect in what he does, and then we might as well listen to other singers instead of pretending to be fans of those we don't love. Dude we all like your candid view on music but that's simply not how it works. Not saying he didn't contribute. But yeah, little james 4 years later... just look at the lyrics. they were friends back then, went for a drink, Liam sung "come on, yeah yeah" and Squire did the rest. Probably. And it's ok... There are lots of other cases when a big name is added to credits just for a name drop. |
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Post by andymorris on Jan 18, 2024 5:56:35 GMT -5
If Squire tries to bring back some tracks from the unreleased second album by Seahorses, this one would be perfect. Nice ! The same guy did love me and leave me. It sounds just amazing. I mean come on, it will be in the live setlist, it just obvious... |
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Post by sheisloved on Jan 18, 2024 6:18:32 GMT -5
A clip of the new song would be amazing today or tomorrow
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Post by jh on Jan 18, 2024 6:25:04 GMT -5
A clip of the new song would be amazing today or tomorrow Oh that it would |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 18, 2024 6:31:43 GMT -5
A clip of the new song would be amazing today or tomorrow Not going to happen though is it |
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Post by yogurt on Jan 18, 2024 8:33:39 GMT -5
Well! If it was stated that Liam wrote the lyrics we have to believe it! Because if we believe when Liam is credited only as a singer and not as a writer of a song we must also believe when he is credited as a writer instead. Because otherwise it means having no trust or respect in what he does, and then we might as well listen to other singers instead of pretending to be fans of those we don't love. Dude we all like your candid view on music but that's simply not how it works. Not saying he didn't contribute. But yeah, little james 4 years later... just look at the lyrics. they were friends back then, went for a drink, Liam sung "come on, yeah yeah" and Squire did the rest. Probably. And it's ok... There are lots of other cases when a big name is added to credits just for a name drop. I heard some old Seahorses interviews on youtube a while ago and Squire claims he had most of the lyrics already and that Liam had come up with some of the vocal melody when they were playing it drunk when Squire showed him the song he was working on. Wouldn't surprise me if Squire basically had the full song and Liam added little bit of a variation to Squire's original melody and a few words. The melody was probably similar but Liam may have sung it a tiny bit differently and Squire preferred it. Kind of like that Liam version of step out, one or two lines have a melody that differs ever so slightly to Noels version, but similar enough. I'd imagine that'd pretty much what happened here too. That's basically what I took from it anyway. Whether that warrants a writing credit, many writers may disagree. Maybe Squire is just very fair in that if you contributed, you deserve some credit. Maybe he just wanted Liam's name on it so more people listen to, who knows. Maybe a bit of both. Either way, he's opted to give up some royalties for that song instead of keeping it all, many wouldn't. |
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Post by andymorris on Jan 18, 2024 8:56:33 GMT -5
Dude we all like your candid view on music but that's simply not how it works. Not saying he didn't contribute. But yeah, little james 4 years later... just look at the lyrics. they were friends back then, went for a drink, Liam sung "come on, yeah yeah" and Squire did the rest. Probably. And it's ok... There are lots of other cases when a big name is added to credits just for a name drop. I heard some old Seahorses interviews on youtube a while ago and Squire claims he had most of the lyrics already and that Liam had come up with some of the vocal melody when they were playing it drunk when Squire showed him the song he was working on. Wouldn't surprise me if Squire basically had the full song and Liam added little bit of a variation to Squire's original melody and a few words. The melody was probably similar but Liam may have sung it a tiny bit differently and Squire preferred it. Kind of like that Liam version of step out, one or two lines have a melody that differs ever so slightly to Noels version, but similar enough. I'd imagine that'd pretty much what happened here too. That's basically what I took from it anyway. Whether that warrants a writing credit, many writers may disagree. Maybe Squire is just very fair in that if you contributed, you deserve some credit. Maybe he just wanted Liam's name on it so more people listen to, who knows. Maybe a bit of both. Either way, he's opted to give up some royalties for that song instead of keeping it all, many wouldn't. Well if that is true and the melody was altered enough, or the lyrics, it deserves a credit. You can add 0,0001% to a credit or 99%. Squire does not look like someone who would all want the light on him all the time. He basically disappeared since the 90S. And he's included 3 songs by a nobody on the seahorses album, because they were good. They broke up over musical direction though. On the second record, he didn't want the singer's songs, but maybe just because he didn't like them. Still a bit of publicity helped. I know i bought that album in 97 because Liam was involved. It was a very different time back then to discover music. There was music press and radio. That's it. So a big name helped in a big way. A bit like "Feat" nowadays. |
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Post by sheisloved on Jan 18, 2024 11:13:20 GMT -5
A clip of the new song would be amazing today or tomorrow Not going to happen though is it Unlikely |
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Post by Goosey on Jan 18, 2024 12:59:47 GMT -5
Guessing this next one wont be on vinyl as we had over 2 weeks notice for Rainbow
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Post by tiger40 on Jan 18, 2024 13:21:17 GMT -5
I wonder what the new single will be called.
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Post by AllOrNothing on Jan 18, 2024 14:32:03 GMT -5
I wonder what the new single will be called. "Yet Another Meteorological Phenomenon" |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 18, 2024 19:04:46 GMT -5
Didn’t someone post some information that three videos had been shot?
Given the release schedule of the singles, the album could be with us pretty soon?
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Post by matt on Jan 18, 2024 19:13:53 GMT -5
I think Oasis deserved the Beatles rip off tag in the 2000s when many of their songs around then embarrassingly aped the Fab Four, but at the same time, so many journalists make the most tenuous links like it does here. I even read a review of Be Here Now that referenced Stand By Me being influenced by The Beatles because even though there is the massive Ben E King hit of the same name, the reviewer assumed they got that from the same song on account of John Lennon covering it. Some mental gymnastics going on there. Talking about the 2000s. What bothered me a lot about mid 2000s oasis recordings is I think it was lazy production in the sense if you had a song like The Importance Of Being Idle, clearly a Kinks influenced song, or Mucky Fingers, clearly a Velvet Underground influence, but they even made the production and instrumentation choices pretty much sound like those bands. In the 90s, you can say Cigarettes and Alcohol is T-Rex and other examples, but production wise it was nothing like T-Rex, it was very much Oasis and Owen Morris in the production style and mix, rather than chase the sound of the song its influenced by. Anyway I'm getting off the thread topic here. It's just one of the things that never sat right with the later albums, I think a lot of identity was lost and some songs bordered on pastiche more than just influence. Yeah they lost their identity in the 2000s, merely aping single acts in one song. Production wise too, it was all watered down dull stuff. If you're not going to do anything interesting with guitars, just turn them all back up to 11 and have loads of reverb. Shock of the Lightning was one of the closest tunes to getting back to that old wall of sound, good effort if not quite there. |
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Post by sheisloved on Jan 18, 2024 22:23:22 GMT -5
They needed more songs like Morning Glory.
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Post by andymorris on Jan 19, 2024 1:37:34 GMT -5
Talking about the 2000s. What bothered me a lot about mid 2000s oasis recordings is I think it was lazy production in the sense if you had a song like The Importance Of Being Idle, clearly a Kinks influenced song, or Mucky Fingers, clearly a Velvet Underground influence, but they even made the production and instrumentation choices pretty much sound like those bands. In the 90s, you can say Cigarettes and Alcohol is T-Rex and other examples, but production wise it was nothing like T-Rex, it was very much Oasis and Owen Morris in the production style and mix, rather than chase the sound of the song its influenced by. Anyway I'm getting off the thread topic here. It's just one of the things that never sat right with the later albums, I think a lot of identity was lost and some songs bordered on pastiche more than just influence. Yeah they lost their identity in the 2000s, merely aping single acts in one song. Production wise too, it was all watered down dull stuff. If you're not going to do anything interesting with guitars, just turn them all back up to 11 and have loads of reverb. Shock of the Lightning was one of the closest tunes to getting back to that old wall of sound, good effort if not quite there. That's being harsh on The Importance Of Being Idle and Mucky Fingers, which are the highlights of DBTT. I wish Noel went all the way and just released all his demos as DBTT. Lord dont slow me down, STC, RM and probably some other... the rest is pretty low quality compared to those two songs. Sure they remind us of those bands, but as noel did in the past, he made those style his own. I dont hear Lou Reed on Mucky Fingers (which is more dylan to me with a Velvety guitar) or the Kinks on The Importance Of Being Idle. I hear a mix of influences, that's quite logical in an era where basically all style of music has been invented. the question is: did the artist manage to add something, and the answer is yes. Shock of the Lightning to me is way way more formulaic than those two. |
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