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Post by osthagen on Nov 20, 2023 5:26:26 GMT -5
I mean, not saying its a bad thing, but a lot of bands have a copious amount of songs that sound strikingly similar to those by other artists. Oasis is one of them, off the top of my head, there is:
"Shakermaker" - Oasis got sued because this sounded too much like "I'd Like To Teach the World to Sing" from a Coca Cola ad in the early 1970s.
"Cigarettes and Alcohol" - fairly obviously inspired by T Rex, "Bang a Gong (Get it On)" (1971)
"Up In The Sky" - similar intro to "Paperback Writer" by The Beatles (1966)
"Married With Children" - Nirvana, "Lithium" (1991), similar intro riff
"Some Might Say" - Grant Lee Buffalo, "Fuzzy" (1993), apparently Noel got the vocal melody for SMS from this.
"She's Electric" - similar hook to "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" By Beatles/George Harrison (1968), while the ending is obviously based on "With A Little Help From my Friends" (1967)
"Morning Glory" - R.E.M., "The One I Love (1987), similar intro riff, and chorus. Has Noel owned up to this?
"Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is" - clearly based on AC/DC's "TNT" (1977)
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Post by capo2ndfret on Nov 20, 2023 14:25:07 GMT -5
Ah this old chestnut. I always hate using the term "ripped off" to describe musical ideas because it is such a loaded term and often used as a lazy way for people to disparage artists.
However, in the case of Oasis, there are definitely several examples, some of which you have correctly identified already. I wouldn't say "Up in the Sky" or "Married with Children" are borrowed, they just sound a little similar, I don't think there was any deliberacy there and there is certainly nothing note for note lifted in those songs. Another example of this kind of song would be "The Importance of Being Idle" and "Clean Prophet" by the La's. They have almost the same strumming pattern, but that is it - not a rip off.
There are several real examples I can provide however:
- "Whatever" - the verse melody line is a straight rip off "How Sweet to Be an Idiot" (1973) by Neil Innes. They were sued for this.
- "Hello" - The coda lyrics and melody are lifted from "Hello! Hello! I'm Back Again" (1973) by Gary Glitter (sadly). They were sued for this.
- "Don't Go Away" - The first half of the chorus lyrics are so very close to that of The Real People Song "Feel the Pain" first written in 1992
- "Step Out" - The notes making up the main chorus hooka are the same as well as the placement of the lyric "Alright" in the song "Uptight (It's Alright)" by Stevie Wonder (1966). They were sued for this, and I am suprised it was successful, because they aren't that close. Bit of a shame this one.
Another one that I thought was a rip off until recently was the main riff in "The Hindu Times" which was from "Same Sized Feet" by Stereophonics in 1997. However, there is a soundcheck where Oasis played that riff that predates the release of "Same Sized Feet" (if anyone remembers the gig, then please do post it here). It seems the two bands might have come up with the idea independently, Stereophonics just released it first.
Also to clarify on "Some Might Say", Noel got the first 3 chords from the verse of "Fuzzy", not the melody line. There is nothing else remotely similar about the songs and you can't copy a basic chord progression so that one isn't applicable. Relevant quotes are in the WTSMG 25th anniversary special at Rockfield Studios.
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Post by jezza2 on Nov 20, 2023 14:47:42 GMT -5
Ah this old chestnut. I always hate using the term "ripped off" to describe musical ideas because it is such a loaded term and often used as a lazy way for people to disparage artists. However, in the case of Oasis, there are definitely several examples, some of which you have correctly identified already. I wouldn't say "Up in the Sky" or "Married with Children" are borrowed, they just sound a little similar, I don't think there was any deliberacy there and there is certainly nothing note for note lifted in those songs. Another example of this kind of song would be "The Importance of Being Idle" and "Clean Prophet" by the La's. They have almost the same strumming pattern, but that is it - not a rip off. There are several real examples I can provide however: - "Whatever" - the verse melody line is a straight rip off "How Sweet to Be an Idiot" (1973) by Neil Innes. They were sued for this. - "Hello" - The coda lyrics and melody are lifted from "Hello! Hello! I'm Back Again" (1973) by Gary Glitter (sadly). They were sued for this. - "Don't Go Away" - The first half of the chorus lyrics are so very close to that of The Real People Song "Feel the Pain" first written in 1992 - "Step Out" - The notes making up the main chorus hooka are the same as well as the placement of the lyric "Alright" in the song "Uptight (It's Alright)" by Stevie Wonder (1966). They were sued for this, and I am suprised it was successful, because they aren't that close. Bit of a shame this one. Another one that I thought was a rip off until recently was the main riff in "The Hindu Times" which was from "Same Sized Feet" by Stereophonics in 1997. However, there is a soundcheck where Oasis played that riff that predates the release of "Same Sized Feet" (if anyone remembers the gig, then please do post it here). It seems the two bands might have come up with the idea independently, Stereophonics just released it first. Also to clarify on "Some Might Say", Noel got the first 3 chords from the verse of "Fuzzy", not the melody line. There is nothing else remotely similar about the songs and you can't copy a basic chord progression so that one isn't applicable. Relevant quotes are in the WTSMG 25th anniversary special at Rockfield Studios. It was their San Francisco gig on 4/13/1996 that Noel played the riff to The Hindu Times. I can’t recall where during the gig though. |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Nov 20, 2023 16:08:04 GMT -5
I'm currently in the process of collating information on this very topic. It's something which has been discussed on here numerous times in the past but it's never been very well documented. I want to create a definitive NG songwriting thread and this'll be one of several facets to it. I'm not going to upload everything yet (it's probably gonna be some way off (sorry)) but I'll upload one of the more interesting examples...
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Post by settingson on Nov 20, 2023 23:40:11 GMT -5
The indefatigable James Hargreaves has a YT post on this very subject that I found interesting.
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Post by Goosey on Nov 21, 2023 5:49:47 GMT -5
Dig Out Your Soul
Bag It Up
The Turning
Including outro:
Waiting For The Rapture
I’m Outta Time
High Horse Lady
Falling Down
Ain’t Got Nothin’
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Post by osthagen on Nov 21, 2023 6:24:13 GMT -5
Also to clarify on "Some Might Say", Noel got the first 3 chords from the verse of "Fuzzy", not the melody line. There is nothing else remotely similar about the songs and you can't copy a basic chord progression so that one isn't applicable. Relevant quotes are in the WTSMG 25th anniversary special at Rockfield Studios. He can't have done; they are different chords |
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Post by The Chief on Nov 21, 2023 6:28:32 GMT -5
Dig Out Your Soul Bag It Up I wonder if Bag It Up might have been influenced by this one too. |
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Post by osthagen on Nov 21, 2023 8:09:09 GMT -5
Dig Out Your Soul Bag It Up I wonder if Bag It Up might have been influenced by this one too. Possibly, especially when you consider that Oasis were doing TV appearances in America simultaneously with Days of the New were first getting MTV play in late 1997 and early 1998. I reckon Noel probably heard that song on MTV or on the radio over there or something, and decided to maybe solo jam it. Riff probably stayed in his head for a couple years, before working it into an Oasis song in its own right. I doubt he'd admit it - until recently, Noel was pretty reluctant to accept the influence of American bands, with the exception of The Stooges, Lou Reed, The Doors, or MC5 - but I suspect that's probably what happened. |
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Post by capo2ndfret on Nov 21, 2023 12:49:45 GMT -5
Also to clarify on "Some Might Say", Noel got the first 3 chords from the verse of "Fuzzy", not the melody line. There is nothing else remotely similar about the songs and you can't copy a basic chord progression so that one isn't applicable. Relevant quotes are in the WTSMG 25th anniversary special at Rockfield Studios. He can't have done; they are different chords The bluesy riff on the D major chord is the same as is the transition to the Bminor. I suppose the first three notes of the melody are the same in both songs but they go to different places thereafter. I think something like the "Whatever" lift from "How Sweet to be an Idiot" is far more eggregious and certainly a rip off, rather than an example of similarity. |
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Post by freddy838 on Nov 21, 2023 14:32:18 GMT -5
Ah this old chestnut. I always hate using the term "ripped off" to describe musical ideas because it is such a loaded term and often used as a lazy way for people to disparage artists. However, in the case of Oasis, there are definitely several examples, some of which you have correctly identified already. I wouldn't say "Up in the Sky" or "Married with Children" are borrowed, they just sound a little similar, I don't think there was any deliberacy there and there is certainly nothing note for note lifted in those songs. Another example of this kind of song would be "The Importance of Being Idle" and "Clean Prophet" by the La's. They have almost the same strumming pattern, but that is it - not a rip off. There are several real examples I can provide however: - "Whatever" - the verse melody line is a straight rip off "How Sweet to Be an Idiot" (1973) by Neil Innes. They were sued for this. - "Hello" - The coda lyrics and melody are lifted from "Hello! Hello! I'm Back Again" (1973) by Gary Glitter (sadly). They were sued for this. - "Don't Go Away" - The first half of the chorus lyrics are so very close to that of The Real People Song "Feel the Pain" first written in 1992 - "Step Out" - The notes making up the main chorus hooka are the same as well as the placement of the lyric "Alright" in the song "Uptight (It's Alright)" by Stevie Wonder (1966). They were sued for this, and I am suprised it was successful, because they aren't that close. Bit of a shame this one. Another one that I thought was a rip off until recently was the main riff in "The Hindu Times" which was from "Same Sized Feet" by Stereophonics in 1997. However, there is a soundcheck where Oasis played that riff that predates the release of "Same Sized Feet" (if anyone remembers the gig, then please do post it here). It seems the two bands might have come up with the idea independently, Stereophonics just released it first. Also to clarify on "Some Might Say", Noel got the first 3 chords from the verse of "Fuzzy", not the melody line. There is nothing else remotely similar about the songs and you can't copy a basic chord progression so that one isn't applicable. Relevant quotes are in the WTSMG 25th anniversary special at Rockfield Studios. It was their San Francisco gig on 4/13/1996 that Noel played the riff to The Hindu Times. I can’t recall where during the gig though. I think they both borrowed the riff off ABBA. Knicking the melody from a Wham song for Fade Away is Noel's most genius steal imo. |
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Post by mouth on Nov 22, 2023 3:22:35 GMT -5
- "Hello" - The coda lyrics and melody are lifted from "Hello! Hello! I'm Back Again" (1973) by Gary Glitter (sadly). They were sued for this. eh, what? no they weren't. they used an exerpt, and that's why glitter and leander are credited in any official release of the song ever since. |
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Nov 22, 2023 6:59:16 GMT -5
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Post by quantum on Nov 23, 2023 4:19:22 GMT -5
Lots and lots of similarities and maybe even straight rips, but perhaps because I'm biased I feel he's always made something better with what he's taken.
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Post by welshylad on Nov 24, 2023 4:32:34 GMT -5
Dig Out Your Soul Bag It Up I wonder if Bag It Up might have been influenced by this one too. Never heard that second one before, fuck.... Complete rip off  (the intro anyway) |
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Post by Headmaster on Nov 27, 2023 21:23:47 GMT -5
All Around The World on this one, also the fact that one of Noel's son is also called Donovan.
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Post by naruosaka on Nov 29, 2023 17:06:48 GMT -5
Does "I'm just getting older" with the "Life on Mars" riff count ?
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Post by naruosaka on Jan 30, 2024 16:19:17 GMT -5
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Post by mahsteve on Jan 31, 2024 14:20:07 GMT -5
These are some of the influences from the SOTSOG album. I’m not saying it’s ripped off or borrowed, I just think for oasis it was quite an expanded set of influences, I always thought it was a good thing
Fucking in the bushes
Drums from Jimi Hendrix - Little Miss Liver (BBC Sessions)
Led Zeppelin's Immigrant Song
The Spencer Davis Group - I’m a man.
Hammond organ parts
Go Let It Out
The Beta Band - Inner meet me or She’s the one. (After 1:08) Driving acoustic guitar.
Johnny Jenkins - I walk on guilded splinters. Where the drum loop is taken from.
The Beatles - Strawberry Fields. Mellotron part
Lyrics from A Bag of Tools R L Sharpe
“Isn't it strange how princes and kings,
and clowns that caper in sawdust rings,
and common people, like you and me,
are builders for eternity?”
Who Feels Love
The Beatles - Dear Prudence
Thunderclap Newman - Something in the Air
The Beatles - Rain
Put your money where you mouth is
The Doors - Roadhouse blues
Little James
The Beatles - Hey Jude
George Harrison style solo
Gas Panic
Sample at the start, not sure where it’s from.
Lyrics from Oscar Wilde, Oscar Wilde: Complete Poems
What songless, tongueless ghost of sin
Crept through the curtains of the night
And saw my taper burning bright,
And knocked and bade you enter in?
Where Did It All Go Wrong?
Paul Weller - Sunflower
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Post by jezza2 on Jan 31, 2024 18:37:29 GMT -5
These are some of the influences from the SOTSOG album. I’m not saying it’s ripped off or borrowed, I just think for oasis it was quite an expanded set of influences, I always thought it was a good thing Fucking in the bushes Drums from Jimi Hendrix - Little Miss Liver (BBC Sessions) The Spencer Davis Group - I’m a man. Hammond organ parts Go Let It Out The Beta Band - She’s the one. Driving acoustic guitar. After 1:08 The Beatles - Strawberry Fields. Mellotron part Lyrics from A Bag of Tools R L Sharpe “Isn't it strange how princes and kings,
and clowns that caper in sawdust rings,
and common people, like you and me,
are builders for eternity?”Who Feels Love The Beatles - Dear Prudence Thunderclap Newman - Something in the Air Put your money where you mouth is The Doors - Roadhouse blues Little James The Beatles - Hey Jude George Harrison style solo Gas Panic Sample at the start, not sure where it’s from. Lyrics from Oscar Wilde, Oscar Wilde: Complete Poems What songless, tongueless ghost of sin Crept through the curtains of the night And saw my taper burning bright, And knocked and bade you enter in? WOW I didn't even know that Go Let It Out's lyrics were almost word for word there! Im surprised they never got sued for that  |
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Post by yogurt on Feb 1, 2024 7:26:27 GMT -5
These are some of the influences from the SOTSOG album. I’m not saying it’s ripped off or borrowed, I just think for oasis it was quite an expanded set of influences, I always thought it was a good thing Fucking in the bushes Drums from Jimi Hendrix - Little Miss Liver (BBC Sessions) The Spencer Davis Group - I’m a man. Hammond organ parts Go Let It Out The Beta Band - She’s the one. Driving acoustic guitar. After 1:08 The Beatles - Strawberry Fields. Mellotron part Lyrics from A Bag of Tools R L Sharpe “Isn't it strange how princes and kings, and clowns that caper in sawdust rings, and common people, like you and me, are builders for eternity?” Who Feels Love The Beatles - Dear Prudence Thunderclap Newman - Something in the Air Put your money where you mouth is The Doors - Roadhouse blues Little James The Beatles - Hey Jude George Harrison style solo Gas Panic Sample at the start, not sure where it’s from. Lyrics from Oscar Wilde, Oscar Wilde: Complete Poems What songless, tongueless ghost of sin Crept through the curtains of the night And saw my taper burning bright, And knocked and bade you enter in? The drum loop at the start of Go Let It Out also sounds ripped off from Dry The Rain by the Beta Band. Although did Noel openly say he was influenced by them quite a bit at the time I guess Noel must've been into reading poetry at the time of SOTSOG when Go Let It Out and Gas Panic both borrow lyrics from poems. Funnily enough I don't remember him ever being open out about that like he often is about where he borrows from. He probably didn't wanna be called a "fucking student", as he puts it. |
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Post by mahsteve on Feb 1, 2024 7:50:24 GMT -5
These are some of the influences from the SOTSOG album. I’m not saying it’s ripped off or borrowed, I just think for oasis it was quite an expanded set of influences, I always thought it was a good thing Fucking in the bushes Drums from Jimi Hendrix - Little Miss Liver (BBC Sessions) The Spencer Davis Group - I’m a man. Hammond organ parts Go Let It Out The Beta Band - She’s the one. Driving acoustic guitar. After 1:08 The Beatles - Strawberry Fields. Mellotron part Lyrics from A Bag of Tools R L Sharpe “Isn't it strange how princes and kings, and clowns that caper in sawdust rings, and common people, like you and me, are builders for eternity?” Who Feels Love The Beatles - Dear Prudence Thunderclap Newman - Something in the Air Put your money where you mouth is The Doors - Roadhouse blues Little James The Beatles - Hey Jude George Harrison style solo Gas Panic Sample at the start, not sure where it’s from. Lyrics from Oscar Wilde, Oscar Wilde: Complete Poems What songless, tongueless ghost of sin Crept through the curtains of the night And saw my taper burning bright, And knocked and bade you enter in? The drum loop at the start of Go Let It Out also sounds ripped off from Dry The Rain by the Beta Band. Although did Noel openly say he was influenced by them quite a bit at the time I guess Noel must've been into reading poetry at the time of SOTSOG when Go Let It Out and Gas Panic both borrow lyrics from poems. Funnily enough I don't remember him ever being open out about that like he often is about where he borrows from. He probably didn't wanna be called a "fucking student", as he puts it. Apologies I forgot about the go let it out drum loop which is from Johnny Jenkins - I walk on guilded splinters. Noel played guitar on a cover version of this song on Paul Weller’s album Stanley Road in 1995 I will go back and edit the original post |
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Post by artumlobov on Feb 1, 2024 7:50:27 GMT -5
These are some of the influences from the SOTSOG album. I’m not saying it’s ripped off or borrowed, I just think for oasis it was quite an expanded set of influences, I always thought it was a good thing Fucking in the bushes Drums from Jimi Hendrix - Little Miss Liver (BBC Sessions) The Spencer Davis Group - I’m a man. Hammond organ parts Go Let It Out The Beta Band - She’s the one. Driving acoustic guitar. After 1:08 The Beatles - Strawberry Fields. Mellotron part Lyrics from A Bag of Tools R L Sharpe “Isn't it strange how princes and kings, and clowns that caper in sawdust rings, and common people, like you and me, are builders for eternity?” Who Feels Love The Beatles - Dear Prudence Thunderclap Newman - Something in the Air Put your money where you mouth is The Doors - Roadhouse blues Little James The Beatles - Hey Jude George Harrison style solo Gas Panic Sample at the start, not sure where it’s from. Lyrics from Oscar Wilde, Oscar Wilde: Complete Poems What songless, tongueless ghost of sin Crept through the curtains of the night And saw my taper burning bright, And knocked and bade you enter in? The drum loop at the start of Go Let It Out also sounds ripped off from Dry The Rain by the Beta Band. Although did Noel openly say he was influenced by them quite a bit at the time I guess Noel must've been into reading poetry at the time of SOTSOG when Go Let It Out and Gas Panic both borrow lyrics from poems. Funnily enough I don't remember him ever being open out about that like he often is about where he borrows from. He probably didn't wanna be called a "fucking student", as he puts it. There is lots more taken across the 'The Three Eps' album for Go Let It Out. Even the vinyl scratching is in there somewhere. |
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Post by mahsteve on Feb 1, 2024 11:44:06 GMT -5
The drum loop at the start of Go Let It Out also sounds ripped off from Dry The Rain by the Beta Band. Although did Noel openly say he was influenced by them quite a bit at the time I guess Noel must've been into reading poetry at the time of SOTSOG when Go Let It Out and Gas Panic both borrow lyrics from poems. Funnily enough I don't remember him ever being open out about that like he often is about where he borrows from. He probably didn't wanna be called a "fucking student", as he puts it. There is lots more taken across the 'The Three Eps' album for Go Let It Out. Even the vinyl scratching is in there somewhere. Been listening to the beta band - The three EPs. It’s really good, haven’t listened to it for a long time. |
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Post by oasisserbia on Feb 2, 2024 4:27:28 GMT -5
"Feel the way I do" part from Pink Floyd's Vera. Not only the same melody but also the same lyrics like in Wonderwall.
But I believe with stuff like that, Noel just had so much music, melodies, lyrics...in his head and he wasn't trying to borrow or ripp off anyone, it just came out of his mind like that. And we are talking about mind that was very very influenced by music and focussed mostly just on making music plus he was high as hell.
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