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Post by SupernovaLBL on Jun 14, 2023 18:31:17 GMT -5
I used to love the studio recording of Supersonic. Then one day I was listening to it in headphones and thought I heard Bonehead's rhythm guitar playing F#M instead of the correct F#m. After looking at early videos of Oasis playing it live, I do believe Bonehad is playing the proper F#m, but on the record I'm not sure. Maybe it's just some b flat harmonic coming from the distortion in the guitars, but in any case I thought I'd ask you all to get your thoughts since there are some real serious fans who know this kinda thing. Maybe Bonehad picked up the wrong chord the night they recorded it.
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Post by Sadie on Jun 14, 2023 18:41:39 GMT -5
I always assumed he just played power chords on that song, not sure though!
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Post by andymorris on Jun 15, 2023 2:09:59 GMT -5
I think on the record its not played with a bar chord but an open chord
Like that 044200
Gives it a more "atmospheric" sound
They played barred chords live, but not necessarily on the record.
Same goes for listen up, played with open chords.
I'd say even even "strong" barred chord songs like RNR or BIOD are played with open chords, with the two higher string at 0.
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Post by SupernovaLBL on Jun 15, 2023 9:14:47 GMT -5
Noel does play that chord, but not throughout the song. Listen to the prechorus when Liam sings the phrase "what I'm on about." On the word "about" he sings an A natural and Bonehead's rhythm guitar (not the lead playing up the neck, which is Noel) is playing what sounds like a F#M chord with a b flat in the third that is clashing with the A natural in Liam's voice. I'm pretty sure Bonehead is playing the wrong chord throughout the whole tune.
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Post by shadowplay on Jun 15, 2023 9:53:14 GMT -5
Noel does play that chord, but not throughout the song. Listen to the prechorus when Liam sings the phrase "what I'm on about." On the word "about" he sings an A natural and Bonehead's rhythm guitar (not the lead playing up the neck, which is Noel) is playing what sounds like a F#M chord with a b flat in the third that is clashing with the A natural in Liam's voice. I'm pretty sure Bonehead is playing the wrong chord throughout the whole tune. That's what made it all great though. They had no idea what they were doing in the early days, it was all just about either what they thought sounded good or it was good enough and Liam's voice would make it. |
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Post by capo2ndfret on Jul 5, 2023 12:23:41 GMT -5
I gave it a close listen. Verses and chorus he plays F#m as an open chord with the b and e strings but in the prechorus he does indeed play an F# major chord. You can hear the dissonance as you say. Sounds to me like it is a conscious choice since he only plays it in the prechorus. You can hear it clearly here at this time stamp in the instrumental mix:
Also, you say you used to like it. Does this disonant chord make you not like it anymore? I'm confused there haha
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Post by SupernovaLBL on Jul 5, 2023 12:50:41 GMT -5
I gave it a close listen. Verses and chorus he plays F#m as an open chord with the b and e strings but in the prechorus he does indeed play an F# major chord. You can hear the dissonance as you say. Sounds to me like it is a conscious choice since he only plays it in the prechorus. You can hear it clearly here at this time stamp in the instrumental mix: Also, you say you used to like it. Does this disonant chord make you not like it anymore? I'm confused there haha Thanks for listening through! I agree it's more clear on the instrumental mix. If we're right about the prechorus, it sounds off because Liam is singing an A natural ("..on ABOUT (A natural)") which clashes with the B flat in the F# major chord. As far as I know, no live version has this F# major chord (which is a six chord that is almost always minor, not major). I think it was unintentional on the recording as he'd just learned it when it was recorded. I love the song and the recorded version, but once I heard that F# major it started bothering me. I'm also not convinced he's not playing an F# major in the chorus, although it's less clear in the instrumental mix. Since Bonehead always played barre chords, I wouldn't have thought he was playing the F# minor with the open B and E strings (which would have seemingly suggested to him that the chord was supposed to be minor to begin with). He seems to only play barre chords on the song from what I remember about early live performances. |
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Post by capo2ndfret on Jul 6, 2023 8:16:29 GMT -5
I gave it a close listen. Verses and chorus he plays F#m as an open chord with the b and e strings but in the prechorus he does indeed play an F# major chord. You can hear the dissonance as you say. Sounds to me like it is a conscious choice since he only plays it in the prechorus. You can hear it clearly here at this time stamp in the instrumental mix: Also, you say you used to like it. Does this disonant chord make you not like it anymore? I'm confused there haha Thanks for listening through! I agree it's more clear on the instrumental mix. If we're right about the prechorus, it sounds off because Liam is singing an A natural ("..on ABOUT (A natural)") which clashes with the B flat in the F# major chord. As far as I know, no live version has this F# major chord (which is a six chord that is almost always minor, not major). I think it was unintentional on the recording as he'd just learned it when it was recorded. I love the song and the recorded version, but once I heard that F# major it started bothering me. I'm also not convinced he's not playing an F# major in the chorus, although it's less clear in the instrumental mix. Since Bonehead always played barre chords, I wouldn't have thought he was playing the F# minor with the open B and E strings (which would have seemingly suggested to him that the chord was supposed to be minor to begin with). He seems to only play barre chords on the song from what I remember about early live performances. Ffs it is starting to bother me too now lol. Listening back to the recorded version, it is actually sticking out in every section now. Sounds like he's actually playing an F#11. I can here that Bb note in every section now, and it isn't just clashing with the A, but the chord itself is disonant because the Bb is right next to B note with the open string. It is obvious in this part of the verse linked below: What an odd choice. That's cool you were able to spot another unusual quirk about their early songs. |
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