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Post by The Chief on May 21, 2023 15:27:39 GMT -5
That's how I understood it at first, too, and I thought it was surprisingly empathetic and romantic about things. But this interview makes that reading much harder to take seriously. He explicitly says in the interview that the song is not specifically about gender. Yes but the lyrics did come from him comparing changing star signs to changing genders so that lyric is about that at its core. Add to that the "they/them fuck off" part and you see what he thinks about it even if he says he has no opinion about it. It's clearly not the case. |
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Post by Jessica on May 21, 2023 16:24:09 GMT -5
To me this is common sense... It's not like men or women don't get mistaken for being the other gender, or like we think someone's older or younger than they are to begin with. And I agree with him that it's not real life. It's still real people of course, but you're gaining knowledge with no real life experience from it.
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Post by queenblougaredoc on May 21, 2023 16:28:03 GMT -5
Palilo is right on this. No problem here. Go on and wait for the leak.
LA LEAK ES IMMINENTE.
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Post by The Chief on May 21, 2023 16:42:01 GMT -5
To me this is common sense... It's not like men or women don't get mistaken for being the other gender, or like we think someone's older or younger than they are to begin with. And I agree with him that it's not real life. It's still real people of course, but you're gaining knowledge with no real life experience from it. I don't understand what you're saying here. But that quote is a good example. He's mixing two things. The whole gender norm and they/them thing has nothing to do with likes and social media. It IS real life. These people in real life don't feel like gender norms apply to them just because of their sex. It's not only very very simple a concept, it's harmless and basically means to each their own. He's a man, he wants to go by masculine norms, great! If one of his lads wants to wear a dress or makeup, then also great. Is his daughter wants to cut her hair short and not shave her armpit or leg hairs, awesome, she does what she wants. There's nothing wrong in any of that and that's basically the gist of it and I don't understand why it ruffles so many feathers... |
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Post by The Escapist on May 21, 2023 16:44:36 GMT -5
To me this is common sense... It's not like men or women don't get mistaken for being the other gender, or like we think someone's older or younger than they are to begin with. And I agree with him that it's not real life. It's still real people of course, but you're gaining knowledge with no real life experience from it. ... What?Non-binary and inter-sex people aren't people who just keep getting mistaken for a different gender, like a kind of 80's sit-com character. They're people without a binary gender-identity, or who's genetics don't fit into either of the boxes we usually sort sexual characteristics into. And there's nothing common-sense about Noel telling them to "fuck off". It's ugly, and ignorant. Knee-jerk stuff from a bloke not used to having his assumptions questioned. Whether Noel likes it or not, transgender and non-binary people are a fact of life. Yes, real life. It's not the product of wokeism or mobile phones or whatever other cloud he feels like yelling at; many of his fans from the 90's would have been transgender or non-binary, and I can't imagine how pathetic it must look to them to see their iconic rock-star fart his way through interviews over the idea of our pronoun system being used in the mildest application of accommodation possible. Or maybe I'm just the Woke Police trying to cancel him!!!1!! |
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Post by Jessica on May 21, 2023 18:10:58 GMT -5
I was referring to the internet not being real life, sorry. And what I meant with that is that it's confusing sometimes to begin with.
He does say to each their own in there and is simply making observations.
When he's talking about 'likes' it's about the way teenagers use the internet in general.
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Post by settingson on May 21, 2023 18:25:04 GMT -5
My main outtake is that he's never met Bob Dylan.
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Post by dampcottage on May 22, 2023 0:33:10 GMT -5
My main outtake is that he's never met Bob Dylan. And he's still a fucking lying cnut, he's NOT 5'9 |
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Post by The Escapist on May 22, 2023 0:36:05 GMT -5
My main outtake is that he's never met Bob Dylan. And he's still a fucking lying cnut, he's NOT 5'9 Ha, my eyebrows did raise. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on May 22, 2023 2:08:00 GMT -5
To me this is common sense... It's not like men or women don't get mistaken for being the other gender, or like we think someone's older or younger than they are to begin with. And I agree with him that it's not real life. It's still real people of course, but you're gaining knowledge with no real life experience from it. ... What?Non-binary and inter-sex people aren't people who just keep getting mistaken for a different gender, like a kind of 80's sit-com character. They're people without a binary gender-identity, or who's genetics don't fit into either of the boxes we usually sort sexual characteristics into. And there's nothing common-sense about Noel telling them to "fuck off". It's ugly, and ignorant. Knee-jerk stuff from a bloke not used to having his assumptions questioned. Whether Noel likes it or not, transgender and non-binary people are a fact of life. Yes, real life. It's not the product of wokeism or mobile phones or whatever other cloud he feels like yelling at; many of his fans from the 90's would have been transgender or non-binary, and I can't imagine how pathetic it must look to them to see their iconic rock-star fart his way through interviews over the idea of our pronoun system being used in the mildest application of accommodation possible. Or maybe I'm just the Woke Police trying to cancel him!!!1!! He’s on TalkShite Tuesday morning with White and Jordan so it’s going to be a feast of woke bashing! One to avoid I reckon. |
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Post by 2nz on May 22, 2023 5:19:20 GMT -5
No offence folks, but what did you expect?
He's a 50 something year old white man whose life has turned out pretty OK- he's raised/raising 3 kids. He's still fairly left of the political and social awareness spectrum for people that age.
Decent read- nothing surprising.
Find it quite funny that there's a section of this forum (I'm not saying it's the posters in this thread) that are happy to big up Tom from Kasabian, an actual wife beater, but criticise the notoriously mouthy NG for, checks notes, saying that Tony Blair is a centralist.
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Post by mossy on May 22, 2023 7:22:06 GMT -5
Remember when Circle The Wagons was rumoured to be his debut album title? Halcyon days!
Always thought that rumour was utter bollocks, but interesting to see him use the phrase here.
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Post by The Chief on May 22, 2023 7:28:17 GMT -5
No offence folks, but what did you expect? He's a 50 something year old white man whose life has turned out pretty OK- he's raised/raising 3 kids. He's still fairly left of the political and social awareness spectrum for people that age. Yes he's not the worst of his age group but for me there are two things that come into play. The first is that I don't believe age causes this kind of behavior. If one remains opened to the inevitable social changes that will occur in your life time and actually LISTEN to younger generations, they won't be all grumpy and judgy about it. Our elders can teach us certain lessons because they've lived their lives before us but that doesn't mean they know or understand everything. They need to understand that they're not living in the same world they were living in before and that things change and it's not because they don't understand it instantly that they can't do it. When you resort to dismissing these things as just "woke shit" then you're never going to learn about it. When you stop learning, you become an old person who just complains about younger generations and how our societies are doomed and your brain atrophies and then it goes around. Case in point: That's a quote from philosopher Socrates who died in 399 BC. So it's nothing new but that doesn't mean we need to repeat it. The second part is actually related to Noel's generation. They're the ones who I looked up to in the 90's because they wanted equality and justice. They were feminists and defended the underdog and the so-called losers. They fought for gay marriage and to end racism. And they fought against their boomer elders who didn't understand why these things were important. So seeing them have the same attitude as their boomer elders in regards to current affairs is ironical and disappointing. To me "Come as you are" applies to everyone no matter what they are. So seeing that generation complain about it doesn't sit right. Maybe I feel a little betrayed that these values they were defending were actually very specific and conditional. So yeah, that's why when I see Noel, someone I've always looked up to since I was a teenager, because of whom I learned to play guitar and other instruments, write songs, who has helped me shape my personality as a teenager and who has always seemed pretty wise (when off drugs), become the opposite of what he used to be, it gets to me. |
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Post by mossy on May 22, 2023 10:02:29 GMT -5
Forum posters said Noel should feed his head,
But that to Noel was just a day in bed.
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Post by Ebby Calvin 'Nuke' LaLoosh on May 22, 2023 13:14:46 GMT -5
It’s obvious Noël’s wife got the cats in the divorce settlement, he’s miserable without them
God bless.
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Post by matt on May 22, 2023 13:35:03 GMT -5
My main outtake is that he's never met Bob Dylan. And he's still a fucking lying cnut, he's NOT 5'9 It's absolute bollocks. I've met Noel and he is a shortarse, heck even 5'7 is flattering. 5'9 is average height, I'm 5'11 so was always towering over him but I know for a fact 5'9 is not short arse. |
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Post by The Boy Without the Blues on May 22, 2023 14:33:24 GMT -5
Im glad this interview is out now cos' if I read his discription of Easy Now I would be massively disappointed. I mean, a live favorite, as good as LBL and sounding like Confortably Numb? Wtf Noel  |
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Post by dampcottage on May 22, 2023 15:20:33 GMT -5
And he's still a fucking lying cnut, he's NOT 5'9 It's absolute bollocks. I've met Noel and he is a shortarse, heck even 5'7 is flattering. 5'9 is average height, I'm 5'11 so was always towering over him but I know for a fact 5'9 is not short arse. I'm 5'9 and my best guess would be he's just about 5'7 with an extra inch or so of hair |
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Post by The Escapist on May 22, 2023 15:48:12 GMT -5
Im glad this interview is out now cos' if I read his discription of Easy Now I would be massively disappointed. I mean, a live favorite, as good as LBL and sounding like Confortably Numb? Wtf Noel Don't forget it has the same shape as The Masterplan! It's one of the best songs he's ever written! |
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Post by theone on May 23, 2023 22:29:08 GMT -5
I didn't know so many people were in to make believe on this forum 🤮
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Post by The Chief on May 24, 2023 5:50:13 GMT -5
I didn't know so many people were in to make believe on this forum 🤮 Meaning? |
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Post by joladella on May 24, 2023 9:41:12 GMT -5
I didn't know so many people were in to make believe on this forum 🤮 Meaning? To be fair, Let's all make believe IS a great song. 😉 |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on May 26, 2023 23:32:52 GMT -5
No offence folks, but what did you expect? He's a 50 something year old white man whose life has turned out pretty OK- he's raised/raising 3 kids. He's still fairly left of the political and social awareness spectrum for people that age. Decent read- nothing surprising. Find it quite funny that there's a section of this forum (I'm not saying it's the posters in this thread) that are happy to big up Tom from Kasabian, an actual wife beater, but criticise the notoriously mouthy NG for, checks notes, saying that Tony Blair is a centralist. I've grown up with Oasis (Liam is my age) and I can totally relate to everything Noel said in that interview. I'm amazed that on an Oasis forum, some people here are getting offended by anything Noel is saying. Have they not been following the same person I have for the past 30 years? It seems to be a trend these days to look for anything to get offended by, but I'm amazed to see it on an Oasis forum. |
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Post by The Chief on May 27, 2023 9:27:54 GMT -5
No offence folks, but what did you expect? He's a 50 something year old white man whose life has turned out pretty OK- he's raised/raising 3 kids. He's still fairly left of the political and social awareness spectrum for people that age. Decent read- nothing surprising. Find it quite funny that there's a section of this forum (I'm not saying it's the posters in this thread) that are happy to big up Tom from Kasabian, an actual wife beater, but criticise the notoriously mouthy NG for, checks notes, saying that Tony Blair is a centralist. I've grown up with Oasis (Liam is my age) and I can totally relate to everything Noel said in that interview. I'm amazed that on an Oasis forum, some people here are getting offended by anything Noel is saying. Have they not been following the same person I have for the past 30 years? It seems to be a trend these days to look for anything to get offended by, but I'm amazed to see it on an Oasis forum. Oh fuck off, it has nothing to do with looking for anything to get offended by... and the whole "fuck off" to the people who want to be called "they/them" isn't that an old fart getting offended by something harmless that doesn't impact him in any way? But that's fine I guess you can now check that checkbox on your modern complaints list now... In my case, if you take 30 seconds and scroll up a bit, you'll see why I'm disappointed, not offended, in seeing Noel become an old fart. That's all it is. And just like he's totally allowed to say all this shit, I'm allowed to call him an old fart for it, which is the kind of thing he used to do in the 90's when older people were bitching about his generation. For me, live and let live is a unconditional principle, not just a thing you say when you're 27 and then stop evolving until you die. Oh but today's generation is just the fucking worst right? Millenials, THEY had actual real legitimate ideals for society... oh no wait it was generation X... oh no wait it was boomers... no wait... In his career, he was often quoted saying things for shock value, playing the media game and so on, talk against politicians, musicians, etc. When he'd cross a line, he'd apoligize (even in the 90's)... But in the last 6-7 years, it's the first time he's shitting on actual people, on his fans, on progress that's being made, etc. He used to be wiser than this. And it's a shame is all. |
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Post by matt on May 27, 2023 9:56:23 GMT -5
I just don't understand why people can't let others just be themselves. If they want to be labelled 'they/them' so what? What harm does it genuinely do to yourself? And the idea that men, and his sons, are to be emasculated from their 'laddish' behaviour, well that mouth breathing c*nt Andrew Tate and his pathetic young male followers would lap up these caveman opinions. Privileged company eh Noel....
If he's disappointed that his sons won't be able to be typical 'lads', then its they who are weak and unconsciously at the mercy of social norms. God knows the number of spineless males who have been pressured and conformed into such behaviour. So maybe Noel and his sons ought to look at themselves before berating society's attitudes regarding identity and gender norms. Not acting all laddish isn't about being emasculated, it's just about respect, empathy and sensitivity towards others.
I love the guy, but he's a fucking numbskull at times.
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