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Post by glider on Jan 13, 2024 16:15:24 GMT -5
The only person who's changed is Noel drastically. Council Skies, once again, isn't a bad album. It's mostly the tunes are not exciting and you CAN FEEL the energy is gone, and not in a purposeful way. Divorce is terrible, personal drama is terrible, but bleeding that into your ensemble isn't fair to them. I feel like the way he got rid of Audrey (Ysee) and Charlotte was terrible - I'm not even entirely sure what Jess does now besides the tambourine - Mike Rowe does everything she does keyboard wise, and it also has new female backing singers anyway. All that work to "flavor" up the band has gone to the wayside. I'm glad fans are still loving the live shows, but they seem like he's fulfilling obligations now rather than enjoying them. Watching a recent interview of him, he actually looks and sounds like a version of him that didn't expand creatively after 2009. I hope he gets through everything and comes back stronger than ever. In what way was it 'terrible' that he got rid of Charlotte and Ysee? There's no bad blood there, he still speaks really highly of both of them. The band changes, he brought in the Roxy's and he's not playing songs on this tour that Ysee or Charlotte would have contributed to. It'll cost a ton of money to take people on tour. If they aren't offering anything to the songs - not through a lack of skill, but just what they do/play - then they aren't going to be kept around. Jess still adds a lot. Council Skies is a fine album. Is it Definitely Maybe? Of course it's not, but it's got some real highlights on there. I wrote what you're replying to a month ago so I don't even remember my frame of mind at that moment. Currently it seems Noel is going through a creative trough - clearly going through the motions. Was just an observation. I also never said Council Skies is bad, Trying to Find a World and We're Gonna Get There In The End, Think of A Number and Dead to the World are amongst the best tunes he's ever done. What I do stand by is High Flying Birds has regressed back to a Noel solo vehicle rather than a frantic, fully formed ensemble like it seemed from 2017-2019. |
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Post by matt on Jan 13, 2024 22:01:56 GMT -5
In what way was it 'terrible' that he got rid of Charlotte and Ysee? There's no bad blood there, he still speaks really highly of both of them. The band changes, he brought in the Roxy's and he's not playing songs on this tour that Ysee or Charlotte would have contributed to. It'll cost a ton of money to take people on tour. If they aren't offering anything to the songs - not through a lack of skill, but just what they do/play - then they aren't going to be kept around. Jess still adds a lot. Council Skies is a fine album. Is it Definitely Maybe? Of course it's not, but it's got some real highlights on there. I wrote what you're replying to a month ago so I don't even remember my frame of mind at that moment. Currently it seems Noel is going through a creative trough - clearly going through the motions. Was just an observation. I also never said Council Skies is bad, Trying to Find a World and We're Gonna Get There In The End, Think of A Number and Dead to the World are amongst the best tunes he's ever done. What I do stand by is High Flying Birds has regressed back to a Noel solo vehicle rather than a frantic, fully formed ensemble like it seemed from 2017-2019. Perhaps that ‘ensemble’ was dictated by the more fully fledged and ambitious sound of Who Built The Moon and the need to recreate it live. It certainly made for impressive gigs but sadly that era looks more like an outlier in his career than a creative turning point. |
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Post by andymorris on Jan 14, 2024 2:08:07 GMT -5
The only person who's changed is Noel drastically. Council Skies, once again, isn't a bad album. It's mostly the tunes are not exciting and you CAN FEEL the energy is gone, and not in a purposeful way. Divorce is terrible, personal drama is terrible, but bleeding that into your ensemble isn't fair to them. I feel like the way he got rid of Audrey (Ysee) and Charlotte was terrible - I'm not even entirely sure what Jess does now besides the tambourine - Mike Rowe does everything she does keyboard wise, and it also has new female backing singers anyway. All that work to "flavor" up the band has gone to the wayside. I'm glad fans are still loving the live shows, but they seem like he's fulfilling obligations now rather than enjoying them. Watching a recent interview of him, he actually looks and sounds like a version of him that didn't expand creatively after 2009. I hope he gets through everything and comes back stronger than ever. In what way was it 'terrible' that he got rid of Charlotte and Ysee? There's no bad blood there, he still speaks really highly of both of them. The band changes, he brought in the Roxy's and he's not playing songs on this tour that Ysee or Charlotte would have contributed to. It'll cost a ton of money to take people on tour. If they aren't offering anything to the songs - not through a lack of skill, but just what they do/play - then they aren't going to be kept around. Jess still adds a lot. Council Skies is a fine album. Is it Definitely Maybe? Of course it's not, but it's got some real highlights on there. Yeah I dont see how he "fired" his band members in a bad way. Plus, they were not band members, more like touring members. And when a cycle is done, you move on to something else. It's perfectly normal. Noel said from the begging the HBF line up would change all the time. It happens with every act. They use a "sound" for a tour then another... etc. Liam will do the same with Squire. As for Jess... well.   BUT, the other part of the argument is valid to me. I have that feeling too that CS lack energy, and is the work of someone who does not really know where to go. He kinda wanted to go back to the roots and adding influence from his youth. but the songs are mostly not up to his standard. And the recording sounds very tired and safe. Feels a bit like DBTT in its time. Noel and Oasis didn't really know where to go, so they/he assemble a record with various influences that feels more like a compilation than a real record. And the result is a bit weird. There are a few good moments, but not enough on a NG record. but the good news is that after DBTT, Oasis released the much stronger DOYS (that could have been stronger, that's another debate). So there is hope. |
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Post by The Chief on Jan 14, 2024 8:36:15 GMT -5
Yeah some of the songs they already had made it onto the album and the b-sides. But reading my post I wasn't clear. I do think they stopped working with DIV because they didn't have the songs. But I also think he got scared of the results which is why Sardy ended up producing when they had more good songs. PTSD from SOTSOG maybe but since the first record after the holy trinity of Oasis, Noel seems to want to experiment then goes "fuck this" and does his usual acoustic guitar and tambourine numbers. He's said with the DIV sessions the songs just weren't there. He doesn't put that on DIV. But he's said Lyla, Importance Of Being Idle and a fair few others just weren't included in those sessions. Imagine DBTT (which is a good album) without either of those songs? Oh I'm not saying he's putting that on DIV. Actually, I don't think he ever explained why they didn't reunite with DIV when came the time to record the new songs and why Sardy was called. But what I'm saying is it's possible that he just chickened out after they did have the songs. But that's just a thought, not a fact. There could have been schedule issues for example. But it's kind of a pattern since SOTSOG that Noel does something different and then backs down and goes back to his muscle memory. Yeah, DBTT without those songs and including only the songs we know they had while working with DIV would have been bad. It was a wise decision to stop the whole thing and go back to writing songs. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 14, 2024 11:46:10 GMT -5
He's said with the DIV sessions the songs just weren't there. He doesn't put that on DIV. But he's said Lyla, Importance Of Being Idle and a fair few others just weren't included in those sessions. Imagine DBTT (which is a good album) without either of those songs? Oh I'm not saying he's putting that on DIV. Actually, I don't think he ever explained why they didn't reunite with DIV when came the time to record the new songs and why Sardy was called. But what I'm saying is it's possible that he just chickened out after they did have the songs. But that's just a thought, not a fact. There could have been schedule issues for example. But it's kind of a pattern since SOTSOG that Noel does something different and then backs down and goes back to his muscle memory. Yeah, DBTT without those songs and including only the songs we know they had while working with DIV would have been bad. It was a wise decision to stop the whole thing and go back to writing songs. Noel has explained it several times over the years. Once the initial sessions proved difficult they weren’t able to find another period when DIV were free. They were working on their own new album that year as well. |
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Post by bt95 on Jan 15, 2024 16:36:51 GMT -5
In what way was it 'terrible' that he got rid of Charlotte and Ysee? There's no bad blood there, he still speaks really highly of both of them. The band changes, he brought in the Roxy's and he's not playing songs on this tour that Ysee or Charlotte would have contributed to. It'll cost a ton of money to take people on tour. If they aren't offering anything to the songs - not through a lack of skill, but just what they do/play - then they aren't going to be kept around. Jess still adds a lot. Council Skies is a fine album. Is it Definitely Maybe? Of course it's not, but it's got some real highlights on there. I wrote what you're replying to a month ago so I don't even remember my frame of mind at that moment. Currently it seems Noel is going through a creative trough - clearly going through the motions. Was just an observation. I also never said Council Skies is bad, Trying to Find a World and We're Gonna Get There In The End, Think of A Number and Dead to the World are amongst the best tunes he's ever done. What I do stand by is High Flying Birds has regressed back to a Noel solo vehicle rather than a frantic, fully formed ensemble like it seemed from 2017-2019. Hmmm not sure I agree on that last part. As a live act they're as tight as they ever were, but the band members have never had any say in the songwriting process or direction of the HFB. It was always at Noel's discretion. He's certainly treaded back towards 'safer' ground, for sure, I agree there. |
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Post by glider on Jan 15, 2024 17:59:23 GMT -5
I wrote what you're replying to a month ago so I don't even remember my frame of mind at that moment. Currently it seems Noel is going through a creative trough - clearly going through the motions. Was just an observation. I also never said Council Skies is bad, Trying to Find a World and We're Gonna Get There In The End, Think of A Number and Dead to the World are amongst the best tunes he's ever done. What I do stand by is High Flying Birds has regressed back to a Noel solo vehicle rather than a frantic, fully formed ensemble like it seemed from 2017-2019. Hmmm not sure I agree on that last part. As a live act they're as tight as they ever were, but the band members have never had any say in the songwriting process or direction of the HFB. It was always at Noel's discretion. He's certainly treaded back towards 'safer' ground, for sure, I agree there. Well, neither did the rest of the band during the Britpop haze. A band doesn't need to have multiple songwriters to be considered a full-powered ensemble live. Pixies are a great example of that. matt mentioned correctly - the Who Built The Moon era created an artistic biome in which needed a vivid, eclectic live ensemble to be used by Noel. The fun and excitement of those days, even with my criticisms of the EPs, were much more interesting. |
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Post by drummert5 on Jan 15, 2024 19:07:03 GMT -5
One thing which bothers me a bit about Council Skies is that 2 of the big tracks rely on Marr’s playing so much they may as well be cowrites. I hope the next record has a big honest to god Noel song.
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Post by bt95 on Jan 18, 2024 9:37:23 GMT -5
Hmmm not sure I agree on that last part. As a live act they're as tight as they ever were, but the band members have never had any say in the songwriting process or direction of the HFB. It was always at Noel's discretion. He's certainly treaded back towards 'safer' ground, for sure, I agree there. Well, neither did the rest of the band during the Britpop haze. A band doesn't need to have multiple songwriters to be considered a full-powered ensemble live. Pixies are a great example of that. matt mentioned correctly - the Who Built The Moon era created an artistic biome in which needed a vivid, eclectic live ensemble to be used by Noel. The fun and excitement of those days, even with my criticisms of the EPs, were much more interesting. Have you seen them live on this tour? Sure, Charlotte and Ysee aren't there anymore (and that's a shame, but I don't see why they couldn't come back if the next tour is more suited to them) but it's still a great show. I get what you mean in the chaos not being there as it was on WBTM, but that doesn't make members of the band any less valued as a live act IMO. |
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Post by queenblougaredoc on Jan 18, 2024 10:06:08 GMT -5
One thing which bothers me a bit about Council Skies is that 2 of the big tracks rely on Marr’s playing so much they may as well be cowrites. I hope the next record has a big honest to god Noel song. I don’t even know what songs you are talking about. Co writes? |
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Post by andymorris on Jan 18, 2024 11:01:33 GMT -5
OUT: Open The Door, Council Skies, Pretty Boy, Easy Now
IN: Flying on the ground, We're on Our Way now, We're Gonna Get There...
And we got a "good" record. But the compression is a real turn off for me. I just cant listen to those records anymore. It hurts my ear.
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Post by andymorris on Jan 18, 2024 11:02:32 GMT -5
I don’t even know what songs you are talking about. Co writes? Same here, he obviously contributes much to Pretty Boy - intricate riffs etc. For those curious what the other two tunes are, I had to look them up in the fine print of the credits, it's Open The Door, See What You Find & Council Skies. The Gilmour Floyd-like guitar solo on Easy Now, probbaly the "biggest" solo on the CD is, of course, Paul Stacey. That's the never ending question. Obviously songwriters will disagree. Its "arrangments" |
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Post by oasisserbia on Jan 18, 2024 11:59:51 GMT -5
OUT: Open The Door, Council Skies, Pretty Boy, Easy Now IN: Flying on the ground, We're on Our Way now, We're Gonna Get There... And we got a "good" record. But the compression is a real turn off for me. I just cant listen to those records anymore. It hurts my ear. We're Gonna Get There In the End is not in an album? Fucking hell. I didn't even know 🤣 I am using Deezer and it's there. And I am not talking about deluxe version. |
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Post by andymorris on Jan 18, 2024 15:08:02 GMT -5
OUT: Open The Door, Council Skies, Pretty Boy, Easy Now IN: Flying on the ground, We're on Our Way now, We're Gonna Get There... And we got a "good" record. But the compression is a real turn off for me. I just cant listen to those records anymore. It hurts my ear. We're Gonna Get There In the End is not in an album? Fucking hell. I didn't even know 🤣 I am using Deezer and it's there. And I am not talking about deluxe version. It’s only a bonus track on the « official » track list whatever that means nowadays. So it’s everywhere on every format but it’s not part of the album. Plus it’s clearly not from the same sessions |
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Post by deadman on Jan 18, 2024 17:39:11 GMT -5
From the new Matt Morgan podcast:
He's doing the acoustic album for fans, as they've asked for it for years.
He's tried doing acoustic albums on 3 occasions but never saw it through
Will take all electronic instruments out of the studio to remove the temptation
Will be all acoustic instruments, with the full band if needed
In A Little While won't have a lot added to it. Also won't be a single as he's released it as a demo, he wouldn't do that for a planned single
God Help Us All and Just Let It Come Down Over Me are planned for it
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Post by Derrick on Jan 18, 2024 18:09:56 GMT -5
From the new Matt Morgan podcast: He's doing the acoustic album for fans, as they've asked for it for years. He's tried doing acoustic albums on 3 occasions but never saw it through Will take all electronic instruments out of the studio to remove the temptation Will be all acoustic instruments, with the full band if needed In A Little While won't have a lot added to it. Also won't be a single as he's released it as a demo, he wouldn't do that for a planned single God Help Us All and Just Let It Come Down Over Me are planned for it Great news! Did he mention any release schedule by any chance: not before 2025 I assume (unfortunately) ? |
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Post by thespiderandthefly on Jan 18, 2024 19:26:50 GMT -5
From the new Matt Morgan podcast: He's doing the acoustic album for fans, as they've asked for it for years. He's tried doing acoustic albums on 3 occasions but never saw it through Will take all electronic instruments out of the studio to remove the temptation Will be all acoustic instruments, with the full band if needed In A Little While won't have a lot added to it. Also won't be a single as he's released it as a demo, he wouldn't do that for a planned single God Help Us All and Just Let It Come Down Over Me are planned for it This is the best news I’ve heard in a long time! Hope he carries through with it. |
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Post by andymorris on Jan 19, 2024 3:21:31 GMT -5
Ok we know the 3 fillers.
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Post by oasisserbia on Jan 19, 2024 7:08:49 GMT -5
We're Gonna Get There In the End is not in an album? Fucking hell. I didn't even know 🤣 I am using Deezer and it's there. And I am not talking about deluxe version. It’s only a bonus track on the « official » track list whatever that means nowadays. So it’s everywhere on every format but it’s not part of the album. Plus it’s clearly not from the same sessions
No, but really, wtf that even means haahahhaaha.
You go to spotify and deezer, it says that there are 11 songs and ''We're Gonna Get There'' is there, cd tracklisting looks like this
CD Tracklisting
1. I'm Not Giving Up Tonight
2. Pretty Boy
3. Dead To The World
4. Open The Door, See What You Find
5. Trying To Find A World That's Been And Gone Pt. 1
6. Easy Now
7. Council Skies
8. There She Blows!
9. Love Is A Rich Man
10. Think Of A Number
11. We're Gonna Get There In The End
If we talk about vinyl
Vinyl Tracklisting
Side 1
1. I'm Not Giving Up Tonight
2. Pretty Boy
3. Dead To The World
4. Open The Door, See What You Find
5. Trying To Find A World That's Been And Gone Pt. 1
Side 2
1. Easy Now
2. Council Skies
3. There She Blows!
4. Love Is A Rich Man
5. Think Of A Number
Bonus 7”
1. We're Gonna Get There In The End
2. Pretty Boy (Acoustic)
So it is included on spotify, deezer... and cd and also on vinyl but is bonus track there so really, there is no difference.
Only if you go and buy it online, you won't get that song.
And what is then real version and tracklist? The one that is ''official'' but how is it even official when spotify, deezer, cd tracklist... have one more track? And even if that is official, is it really official when in reality what most of the people are listening is version with 11 tracks?  |
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Post by The Chief on Jan 19, 2024 7:09:08 GMT -5
From the new Matt Morgan podcast: He's doing the acoustic album for fans, as they've asked for it for years. He's tried doing acoustic albums on 3 occasions but never saw it through Will take all electronic instruments out of the studio to remove the temptation Will be all acoustic instruments, with the full band if needed In A Little While won't have a lot added to it. Also won't be a single as he's released it as a demo, he wouldn't do that for a planned single God Help Us All and Just Let It Come Down Over Me are planned for it That's interesting! I wouldn't put God Help Us All on there, it's pretty boring. But otherwise, this is pretty interesting stuff! |
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Post by andymorris on Jan 19, 2024 8:03:34 GMT -5
It’s only a bonus track on the « official » track list whatever that means nowadays. So it’s everywhere on every format but it’s not part of the album. Plus it’s clearly not from the same sessions No, but really, wtf that even means haahahhaaha. You go to spotify and deezer, it says that there are 11 songs and ''We're Gonna Get There'' is there, cd tracklisting looks like this CD Tracklisting
1. I'm Not Giving Up Tonight
2. Pretty Boy
3. Dead To The World
4. Open The Door, See What You Find
5. Trying To Find A World That's Been And Gone Pt. 1
6. Easy Now
7. Council Skies
8. There She Blows!
9. Love Is A Rich Man
10. Think Of A Number
11. We're Gonna Get There In The End If we talk about vinyl Vinyl Tracklisting
Side 1
1. I'm Not Giving Up Tonight
2. Pretty Boy
3. Dead To The World
4. Open The Door, See What You Find
5. Trying To Find A World That's Been And Gone Pt. 1
Side 2
1. Easy Now
2. Council Skies
3. There She Blows!
4. Love Is A Rich Man
5. Think Of A Number
Bonus 7”
1. We're Gonna Get There In The End
2. Pretty Boy (Acoustic) So it is included on spotify, deezer... and cd and also on vinyl but is bonus track there so really, there is no difference. Only if you go and buy it online, you won't get that song. And what is then real version and tracklist? The one that is ''official'' but how is it even official when spotify, deezer, cd tracklist... have one more track? And even if that is official, is it really official when in reality what most of the people are listening is version with 11 tracks? You got it it’s dumb. They needed an extra track for marketing reasons so they did that, which makes no sense at all. I believe WBTM had also dead in the water in all formats despite not being an album track per se. I mean who stick a radio live take on an album they worked on for 5 years to the maximum detail possible. That’s two face Noel Gallagher for you. He doesn’t agree with himself and we get weird half done albums with extra tracks that are not extra tracks. 😂 |
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Post by niftium on Jan 19, 2024 8:45:53 GMT -5
From the new Matt Morgan podcast: He's doing the acoustic album for fans, as they've asked for it for years. He's tried doing acoustic albums on 3 occasions but never saw it throughWill take all electronic instruments out of the studio to remove the temptation Will be all acoustic instruments, with the full band if needed In A Little While won't have a lot added to it. Also won't be a single as he's released it as a demo, he wouldn't do that for a planned single God Help Us All and Just Let It Come Down Over Me are planned for it This is the best news I’ve heard in a long time! Hope he carries through with it. Unfortunately the answer has already been given. Prove me wrong, Noel. |
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Post by thespiderandthefly on Jan 19, 2024 8:54:27 GMT -5
Ok we know the 3 fillers. Fillers?! You’re absolutely mental dude. Those are three great little tunes. Just cause they are familiar doesn’t make them filler material. |
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Post by drummert5 on Jan 19, 2024 9:11:32 GMT -5
One thing which bothers me a bit about Council Skies is that 2 of the big tracks rely on Marr’s playing so much they may as well be cowrites. I hope the next record has a big honest to god Noel song. I don’t even know what songs you are talking about. Co writes? Pretty Boy and Council Skies wouldn’t be half the songs they are without his riffs, imo. |
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Post by oasisserbia on Jan 19, 2024 10:35:10 GMT -5
No, but really, wtf that even means haahahhaaha. You go to spotify and deezer, it says that there are 11 songs and ''We're Gonna Get There'' is there, cd tracklisting looks like this CD Tracklisting
1. I'm Not Giving Up Tonight
2. Pretty Boy
3. Dead To The World
4. Open The Door, See What You Find
5. Trying To Find A World That's Been And Gone Pt. 1
6. Easy Now
7. Council Skies
8. There She Blows!
9. Love Is A Rich Man
10. Think Of A Number
11. We're Gonna Get There In The End If we talk about vinyl Vinyl Tracklisting
Side 1
1. I'm Not Giving Up Tonight
2. Pretty Boy
3. Dead To The World
4. Open The Door, See What You Find
5. Trying To Find A World That's Been And Gone Pt. 1
Side 2
1. Easy Now
2. Council Skies
3. There She Blows!
4. Love Is A Rich Man
5. Think Of A Number
Bonus 7”
1. We're Gonna Get There In The End
2. Pretty Boy (Acoustic) So it is included on spotify, deezer... and cd and also on vinyl but is bonus track there so really, there is no difference. Only if you go and buy it online, you won't get that song. And what is then real version and tracklist? The one that is ''official'' but how is it even official when spotify, deezer, cd tracklist... have one more track? And even if that is official, is it really official when in reality what most of the people are listening is version with 11 tracks? You got it it’s dumb. They needed an extra track for marketing reasons so they did that, which makes no sense at all. I believe WBTM had also dead in the water in all formats despite not being an album track per se. I mean who stick a radio live take on an album they worked on for 5 years to the maximum detail possible. That’s two face Noel Gallagher for you. He doesn’t agree with himself and we get weird half done albums with extra tracks that are not extra tracks. 😂 Well, I am glad it's there. I am counting it as part of an album and album is better with that song. |
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