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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jul 14, 2022 16:19:23 GMT -5
Seeing a lot of negativity, especially connected to race among those critiquing the trailer on various forums. That's a little concerning as I think that sort of mentality is counter to the message of the story.
I don't really see the issues. I don't expect it to be better than the LOTR films. I don't expect it to be like the books. But I think the trailer is decent enough. I am excited for it.
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Post by welshylad on Jul 14, 2022 16:22:46 GMT -5
Yeh nobody is a bigger LOTR fan than me, honestly I'm obsessed.
I don't know if I'm going to like this, but defintely give it a go
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Post by matt on Jul 14, 2022 16:30:47 GMT -5
Looks stunning I have to admit, and I'm no fan of CGI.
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Post by Marissa on Jul 15, 2022 17:16:24 GMT -5
the sad thing is that it looks better than the hobbit films were... and I've been one of the naysayers of this series since the dawn of its time
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jul 16, 2022 6:06:27 GMT -5
the sad thing is that it looks better than the hobbit films were... and I've been one of the naysayers of this series since the dawn of its time Why is that a sad thing? We’re a decade on from the first Hobbit film coming out. This series should look better; visual effects can improve a lot in that time. And it’s not like television of old, where a little had to stretch a long way: by the sounds of it, the budget for this thing is up near a billion, which is a great deal more than the makers of the movies had to spend. They’ve also had plenty of time in post-production—a luxury Peter Jackson and his crew didn’t always have with either their Hobbit or Lord of the Rings films. |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jul 16, 2022 6:23:50 GMT -5
I’ve dipped into Tolkien’s other Middle-earth writings… There’s really not a whole lot there, at least not when it comes to fully formed narratives. And I’m not sure if the makers of this show can have at any of what little there is anyway, what with the Tolkien estate guarding the IP like Smaug with his stolen treasure horde.
If this was another project for Peter Jackson and his collaborators then I could be excited; but this show exists solely as a vanity project for Jeff Bezos, a bored billionaire who wants a Game of Thrones-style megahit to add to his name so that he might feel less inadequate. For that reason I would quite like it to be a damp squib. But at the same time, I don’t wish the cast and crew, whom I’m sure have been working very hard, badly. I’m quite torn really.
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Jul 16, 2022 6:29:10 GMT -5
It looks great but I'm still a bit skeptical concerning Amazon's ability to write a great, Tolkien-style story for this world they've brought to screen. LOTR had wonderful visuals, acting, and music, but in the end it was so brillant because it is a timeless story. And given how often we've seen big corporations use popular brands to make money with absolutely average or even bad stories (much of Disney Star Wars, for example), part of me expects this show to be a pretty but ultimately soulless product. The trailer doesn't really show much in terms of story other than the fact that some big bad is threatening the world.
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Post by Marissa on Jul 16, 2022 14:35:06 GMT -5
the sad thing is that it looks better than the hobbit films were... and I've been one of the naysayers of this series since the dawn of its time Why is that a sad thing? We’re a decade on from the first Hobbit film coming out. This series should look better; visual effects can improve a lot in that time. And it’s not like television of old, where a little had to stretch a long way: by the sounds of it, the budget for this thing is up near a billion, which is a great deal more than the makers of the movies had to spend. They’ve also had plenty of time in post-production—a luxury Peter Jackson and his crew didn’t always have with either their Hobbit or Lord of the Rings films. it's sad because those films were such a disappointment. i sat with the production of them since the beginning. for years i watched them come to fruition and they were just ... not good. the LOTR trilogy effects were far better, a decade earlier. they went into crazy CGI where it wasn't necessary and the whole thing looked like a bad video game. they were capable of so much more but the studio pushed PJ for the sake of profit at the expense of the art he was making. they burnt him out bad while doing so and you can tell in the results. some of the behind-the-scenes footage of him speaking on that subject is so disheartening. the fact that some barely canon series funded by a company we should have all rescinded our support from a long time ago looks better isn't surprising, but it's upsetting. nobody asked for LOTR to get the Game of Thrones treatment but here we are. because Christopher Tolkien passed and the Estate is handled differently now. |
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Post by Marissa on Jul 16, 2022 14:50:41 GMT -5
 something i hope we all keep in mind here |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 16, 2022 15:50:00 GMT -5
Why is that a sad thing? We’re a decade on from the first Hobbit film coming out. This series should look better; visual effects can improve a lot in that time. And it’s not like television of old, where a little had to stretch a long way: by the sounds of it, the budget for this thing is up near a billion, which is a great deal more than the makers of the movies had to spend. They’ve also had plenty of time in post-production—a luxury Peter Jackson and his crew didn’t always have with either their Hobbit or Lord of the Rings films. it's sad because those films were such a disappointment. i sat with the production of them since the beginning. for years i watched them come to fruition and they were just ... not good. the LOTR trilogy effects were far better, a decade earlier. they went into crazy CGI where it wasn't necessary and the whole thing looked like a bad video game. they were capable of so much more but the studio pushed PJ for the sake of profit at the expense of the art he was making. they burnt him out bad while doing so and you can tell in the results. some of the behind-the-scenes footage of him speaking on that subject is so disheartening. the fact that some barely canon series funded by a company we should have all rescinded our support from a long time ago looks better isn't surprising, but it's upsetting. nobody asked for LOTR to get the Game of Thrones treatment but here we are. because Christopher Tolkien passed and the Estate is handled differently now. I still firmly believe that Fellowship of the Ring had the best blend of CGI and guys in a suit playing orcs. That final fight looked fantastic because those were real people. Not CGI creations. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jul 16, 2022 16:11:25 GMT -5
it's sad because those films were such a disappointment. i sat with the production of them since the beginning. for years i watched them come to fruition and they were just ... not good. the LOTR trilogy effects were far better, a decade earlier. they went into crazy CGI where it wasn't necessary and the whole thing looked like a bad video game. they were capable of so much more but the studio pushed PJ for the sake of profit at the expense of the art he was making. they burnt him out bad while doing so and you can tell in the results. some of the behind-the-scenes footage of him speaking on that subject is so disheartening. the fact that some barely canon series funded by a company we should have all rescinded our support from a long time ago looks better isn't surprising, but it's upsetting. nobody asked for LOTR to get the Game of Thrones treatment but here we are. because Christopher Tolkien passed and the Estate is handled differently now. I still firmly believe that Fellowship of the Ring had the best blend of CGI and guys in a suit playing orcs. That final fight looked fantastic because those were real people. Not CGI creations. The Hobbit films were filmed with practical makeup and effects for the orcs. For some reason that I will never understand, they digitized it all after. I hope that one day we get a version that contains the practical effects, because the CGI doesn't cut it. |
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Post by Marissa on Jul 16, 2022 22:48:38 GMT -5
I still firmly believe that Fellowship of the Ring had the best blend of CGI and guys in a suit playing orcs. That final fight looked fantastic because those were real people. Not CGI creations. The Hobbit films were filmed with practical makeup and effects for the orcs. For some reason that I will never understand, they digitized it all after. I hope that one day we get a version that contains the practical effects, because the CGI doesn't cut it. what i'll never get over is the incredibly fake horses and the wildly blue digital eyes they gave Legolas... i do think we may get a remaster some day. i look forward to that. there's also, or at least it was out there several years ago, a fanmade re-cut of the films into one four(ish?) hour long film that i thought was incredibly well done, and closer to what i wish we would've gotten. but not much to be done about those effects on the fan level... |
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Post by The Escapist on Jul 17, 2022 5:08:03 GMT -5
I keep forcing myself to go back to Lord of the Rings to see what makes it such a giant of popularity.
Maybe I'll try and get through the books again with this coming out.
The only part of the whole "universe" I've enjoyed is the book version of the Hobbit, which was a nice little tale.
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Post by RocketMan on Jul 17, 2022 6:52:52 GMT -5
The only part of the whole "universe" I've enjoyed is the book version of the Hobbit, which was a nice little tale. Not according to Peter Jackson, who read that book and thought „yeah that’s a 50 hour long trilogy of course“ |
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Post by The Escapist on Jul 17, 2022 6:57:56 GMT -5
The only part of the whole "universe" I've enjoyed is the book version of the Hobbit, which was a nice little tale. Not according to Peter Jackson, who read that book and thought „yeah that’s a 50 hour long trilogy of course“ To be honest, neither of the trilogies left any impression on me. I've seen some of the Lord of the Rings films twice and I couldn't really recall anything that happened in them beyond all the big battles and the Gollum bits. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jul 17, 2022 12:39:57 GMT -5
The only part of the whole "universe" I've enjoyed is the book version of the Hobbit, which was a nice little tale. Not according to Peter Jackson, who read that book and thought „yeah that’s a 50 hour long trilogy of course“ Peter Jackson didn't want three Hobbit films (contrary to what he later says). He didn't even want to do The Hobbit at all as he didn't want to compete with LOTR. Del Toro dropped out and Jackson salvaged the pieces. Then the studio pressured him to do three films. He eventually agrees to three because of their tight filming and release schedule and knew it would be impossible to get the story out in two with what they had at the time. They were writing scripts as they went along with filming! I doubt he will ever admit to any of this studio meddling though, probably because he'd like to keep relations good. But I think it's obvious to the fans.
As for LOTR, significant amounts of material were cut out of the narrative to make the films. Not only smaller details, but entire narratives, which truthfully just wouldn't work in the structure of a film. A faithful adaption would be absurdly long and uneven.
I think you could probably do at least three seasons, each with 10 sixty minute episodes to tell the entire story comfortably as a faithful adaption with little to no cuts. So basically, 30 hours. I might be underestimating the length needed.
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Post by mossy on Jul 18, 2022 6:05:02 GMT -5
Not according to Peter Jackson, who read that book and thought „yeah that’s a 50 hour long trilogy of course“ To be honest, neither of the trilogies left any impression on me. I've seen some of the Lord of the Rings films twice and I couldn't really recall anything that happened in them beyond all the big battles and the Gollum bits. Pervert. X |
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