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Post by Marissa on May 31, 2022 13:42:05 GMT -5
noel goes off and does NGHFB, liam and the kids don't continue on as beady eye. what would have happened? would liam's clearly inevitable solo career have started 10 years ago instead? would it have been successful or would we have gotten BE songs and success only under liam's name? would he have disappeared off the face of the earth for a while or for longer? would there be more chance of a reunion if both brothers hadn't continued their careers separately? (shhh we all know noel would never). discuss
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Post by underneaththesky on May 31, 2022 22:00:50 GMT -5
you can break or make my day
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Post by girllikeabomb on May 31, 2022 23:37:16 GMT -5
They made a movie about this ... oh wait, wrong band.
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Post by Aman on Jun 1, 2022 1:14:48 GMT -5
If only they never had.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2022 4:51:07 GMT -5
I think a different way of looking at it is 'what if beady eye never existed.... because Oasis just carried on after Noel left'?
There are some precedents to that, and seeing as they did almost whole tour without Noel ten years before it's not out of the question to think about...
Obv pressure from Ignition was the reason this didn't happen, but if the first BE album had come out under the Oasis name, backed with touring at Oasis sized venues with a 80/20 old/new song mix, things would have been very different for them I reckon.
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Post by oasisgoletitout on Jun 1, 2022 23:49:24 GMT -5
I've always wondered why they did not just continue on without him. Yes his role was more vital by 2009 than it was during the 2000 tour (I'm talking about him singing more tunes in the set and on albums, and providing way more backing vocal. I'm not trying to downplay how he writes most of the songs) when they had another guitarist fill in for a bit, but at the same time plenty of people would have turned up to see them without him on guitar. Does anyone know how the naming rights work? Would Liam, Gem, and Andy even be allowed to tour using the Oasis name, or does Noel have the rights?
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jun 2, 2022 4:14:24 GMT -5
I've always wondered why they did not just continue on without him. Yes his role was more vital by 2009 than it was during the 2000 tour (I'm talking about him singing more tunes in the set and on albums, and providing way more backing vocal. I'm not trying to downplay how he writes most of the songs) when they had another guitarist fill in for a bit, but at the same time plenty of people would have turned up to see them without him on guitar. Does anyone know how the naming rights work? Would Liam, Gem, and Andy even be allowed to tour using the Oasis name, or does Noel have the rights? It was a great call to not continue on using the Oasis name and risk diminishing the image. Genius even. It kept the value of the brand extremely high and the nostalgia getting stronger and stronger the more time went on.
Very glad LAG didn’t claim the name for the short-term benefits. Wouldn't have ultimately been good for anyone. Liam using his own name out of the gate is a different story, though even that I think worked out very much for the best in the end. This way, he had the chance to come out with a brand new identity in 2017 after he got his shit together. Not to quote the song but you only get to do that once ... and he saved it for the right moment. |
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Jun 2, 2022 6:42:44 GMT -5
I’m 99% sure Liam wouldn’t have enjoyed such solo success back then. The reason being he got sole blame for Oasis’ split, and wasn’t exactly a hero. While Noel had always been tagged “the talented one”, and people were more interested In his next move.
Beady Eye never really had a chance at true relevance IMO, as they were just seen as a pale Oasis imitation without the writing talent. Like if Foxton and Buckler had formed a new mod band after The Jam split. It took a few quiet years, along with the Supersonic doc and the old hits getting more iconic, for younger non-fans to really be interested. Plus, he wisely came back more down-to-earth, openly admitting he needed co-writers and sounding more of an underdog.
I’ve said before the person it compares to most is McCartney from 1970-73, after getting sole blame for the Beatles’ breakup. The now-beloved Ram LP got panned. Then he suddenly came storming back with Band On The Run, and for 5 or 6 years Wings were huge.
In short, sometimes you have to lose your way to get back home.
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Post by joladella on Jun 2, 2022 10:38:22 GMT -5
Would be a shame, I loved them and as it was parallel to my falling in love with all things Gallagher, BE was the first album where I really got into all the album excitement beforehand. Also, I'll always treasure Beady Eye in Munich 2013, clapping eyes on Liam-on-a-stage for very first time. Then I really got it, the ridiculously strong charisma and presence that man has. Also it started a new passion for a little bit concert tourism.
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Post by birchy on Jun 2, 2022 11:02:22 GMT -5
I've always wondered why they did not just continue on without him. Yes his role was more vital by 2009 than it was during the 2000 tour (I'm talking about him singing more tunes in the set and on albums, and providing way more backing vocal. I'm not trying to downplay how he writes most of the songs) when they had another guitarist fill in for a bit, but at the same time plenty of people would have turned up to see them without him on guitar. Does anyone know how the naming rights work? Would Liam, Gem, and Andy even be allowed to tour using the Oasis name, or does Noel have the rights? Noel shares the rights to the Oasis name. He said that in an interview in (I think) 2012. So Liam, Gem & Andy couldn't use it without Noel's permission. |
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Post by tiger40 on Jun 2, 2022 12:37:13 GMT -5
I'm glad that Liam, Gem and Andy didn't use the Oasis name after the split and went for a completely new name. However, I wish that they had come up with something better than Beady Eye.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2022 12:41:53 GMT -5
It was a great call to not continue on using the Oasis name and risk diminishing the image. Genius even. It kept the value of the brand extremely high and the nostalgia getting stronger and stronger the more time went on.
Very glad LAG didn’t claim the name for the short-term benefits. Wouldn't have ultimately been good for anyone. Liam using his own name out of the gate is a different story, though even that I think worked out very much for the best in the end. This way, he had the chance to come out with a brand new identity in 2017 after he got his shit together. Not to quote the song but you only get to do that once ... and he saved it for the right moment. The only people worried about 'brand value' at the time of the split would have been Ignition, and maybe Noel. He didn't seem that worried about it in the following years when subsequently using the 'parka monkeys' thing and openly declaring he was after a more sophisticated audience, or words to that effect.
After Paris the others would have been thinking about the immediate future, not how a release of Knebworth would be received in ten years...
If Oasis had continued it would have kept 'the brand' alive, much as Liam has over the past six years or whatever. With strong management and label support a decent name producer would have knocked the songs into shape for a great noel-less album, 'The Roller' would be seen as an Oasis classic and Liam wouldn't have spiralled into his voice and life wrecking behaviours. In 2022 they would have played Knebworth after again... etc
it's a scenario amongst many and as likely as any....
Liam has kept 'the brand' alive, Noel admitted as much recently. An American friend recently pointed out to me that, apart from fans like us lot here, no one really cares who wrote/writes the songs, and most casual fans usually assume he singer at least had a hand in writing them.
I'd imagine that the name rights are sown up in some Liam/Noel/Ignition thing, but legalalties are only stumbling blocks until enough money is mentioned. All it would have taken is for ignition to have persuaded Noel he could make more money letting the Oasis 'brand' continue for it to have happened.
The fact is that the remaining members were stitched up by Noel and ignition and by the time Scott Roger got involved it was too late.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jun 4, 2022 20:29:56 GMT -5
If Oasis had continued it would have kept 'the brand' alive, much as Liam has over the past six years or whatever. With strong management and label support a decent name producer would have knocked the songs into shape for a great noel-less album, 'The Roller' would be seen as an Oasis classic and Liam wouldn't have spiralled into his voice and life wrecking behaviours. In 2022 they would have played Knebworth after again... etc
it's a scenario amongst many and as likely as any....
We’ll just have to agree to disagree. I don't see why history would have changed if LAG had continued as Oasis without Noel.
They still would have had to deal with Liam's foundering reputation at the time, a voice that was not fully resurgent (as it is now), a media that was very, very primed to villainize Liam, songs that were not as strong as Noel's (not convinced there's some magical producer who could have made the BE songs better received in that post-2009 atmosphere), a general lack of public enthusiasm for the other band members (it was always about the brothers), and Liam still would have gone through a spate of personal problems that would have further brought down the Oasis image.
Bottom line is that declines aren’t very marketable. What is extremely marketable is a renaissance. That’s the brilliance of what Liam did (but he was granted the room to do it in part because he didn’t drag down the Oasis legacy earlier.) And that's why Knebworth was the big deal that it was.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2022 6:35:04 GMT -5
If Oasis had continued it would have kept 'the brand' alive, much as Liam has over the past six years or whatever. With strong management and label support a decent name producer would have knocked the songs into shape for a great noel-less album, 'The Roller' would be seen as an Oasis classic and Liam wouldn't have spiralled into his voice and life wrecking behaviours. In 2022 they would have played Knebworth after again... etc
it's a scenario amongst many and as likely as any....
Bottom line is that declines aren’t very marketable. What is extremely marketable is a renaissance.
But that's all assuming there would have been a decline, and that Liam's other personal/relationship troubles weren't a direct result of his break-up with his brother, and that any number of high level producers couldn't have got better performances/tighter song structures out of the material, and that an industry push that was behind 'Oasis' didn't paint Laim as the bad guy, and so on... but as you say, agree to disagree, it's all part of the fun of 'what if' musical discussions! |
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Post by richards on Jun 7, 2022 23:58:54 GMT -5
To me, at least, it really showcased Andy Bell's talent as a great guitarist and songwriter. I overlooked (incorrectly) his abilities as only a bass player although looking back he was a great bassist too.
I now see how he influenced a much more psychedelic presence in the band and in Oasis and Beady Eye songwriting. I doubt if Noel would give him credit, but I hear Andy in Probably all in the mind, Hindu times and many others.
My playlist would not be complete without Beady Eye songs like In a bubble, Off at the next exit, Four Letter Word
I have Beady Eye to thank for finding songs like Andy Bell's Love Comes In Waves and his solo stuff
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2022 5:33:17 GMT -5
My playlist would not be complete without Beady Eye songs like In a bubble, Off at the next exit, Four Letter Word I had those 3 as Gem tunes?
I agree about Andy's talents and think they were only really getting to be given room towards the end of the band - the live guitar solo on 'Start Anew' for instance and a general use of pedals/effects - but tbh i felt his songs were never right for Liam to sing, whereas Gem's were made for him.
Isn't it also the case that it was Andy's desire to take a year out for the Ride re-union that was the final nail/excuse for Liam to knock it on the head? In one of the recent interviews he again mentioned offering to pay for a BE USA tour out of his own pocket but it didn't happen from lack of interest from band members.
I think there's definitely some acrimony about the Beady Eye split on Liam's side, and probably the reason songs don't get live airings (they're all published a co-writes I think?). I thought 'soul love' worked great as part of the solo sets, the only other one I know of that's been payed is 'world's not set in stone' - are there others?
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Post by Jim on Jun 8, 2022 6:44:20 GMT -5
My playlist would not be complete without Beady Eye songs like In a bubble, Off at the next exit, Four Letter Word I had those 3 as Gem tunes?
I agree about Andy's talents and think they were only really getting to be given room towards the end of the band - the live guitar solo on 'Start Anew' for instance and a general use of pedals/effects - but tbh i felt his songs were never right for Liam to sing, whereas Gem's were made for him.
Isn't it also the case that it was Andy's desire to take a year out for the Ride re-union that was the final nail/excuse for Liam to knock it on the head? In one of the recent interviews he again mentioned offering to pay for a BE USA tour out of his own pocket but it didn't happen from lack of interest from band members.
I think there's definitely some acrimony about the Beady Eye split on Liam's side, and probably the reason songs don't get live airings (they're all published a co-writes I think?). I thought 'soul love' worked great as part of the solo sets, the only other one I know of that's been payed is 'world's not set in stone' - are there others?
Four Letter Word is Andy’s. The other two are Gems. Bring The Light was played at the Teenage Cancer Trust gig a couple of months back. Andy has been hugely influenced by BE producer Dave Sitek in his solo career and in parts Ride. Liam has said Andy is cool as more than once since the split and mentioned that he loved him on Twitter not that long ago. Most likely Beady Eye is just a tender subject as it was not a success. |
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