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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 28, 2022 19:53:35 GMT -5
Just watched the first two. Loved it. I was not expecting Leia at all! Also really good to see Bail Organa who we didn't get much of in the films. Obviously Vader is coming back, so that's going to be great. I think we will eventually see Qui-Gon and Yoda.
I really like the actress playing Reva. Her physical acting is well done. And the Grand Inquisitor was menacing, but looks like he's not sticking around, sadly.
My only real gripe is that I don't think they properly aged up Ewan. He looks like he's in his late 40's, early 50's. Hair not even thinning. In just 9 more years he's supposed to morph into Ben Kenobi from Star Wars? Not even a shade of grey in his hair or beard.
The end of episode two, when Obi-Wan learns that Anakin lives, his face goes from pain, confusion to giving a brief and subtle smile at the implication of what it means. Wow! My take is that smile means he thinks the prophecy could be true for Anakin afterall. That Qui-Gon Jinn didn't die himself for nothing. That he himself didn't take on Anakin for nothing. His smile was hope.
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 28, 2022 20:38:52 GMT -5
Just watched the first two. Loved it. I was not expecting Leia at all! Also really good to see Bail Organa who we didn't get much of in the films. Obviously Vader is coming back, so that's going to be great. I think we will eventually see Qui-Gon and Yoda. I really like the actress playing Reva. Her physical acting is well done. And the Grand Inquisitor was menacing, but looks like he's not sticking around, sadly.
My only real gripe is that I don't think they properly aged up Ewan. He looks like he's in his late 40's, early 50's. Hair not even thinning. In just 9 more years he's supposed to morph into Ben Kenobi from Star Wars? Not even a shade of grey in his hair or beard. The end of episode two, when Obi-Wan learns that Anakin lives, his face goes from pain, confusion to giving a brief and subtle smile at the implication of what it means. Wow! My take is that smile means he thinks the prophecy could be true for Anakin afterall. That Qui-Gon Jinn didn't die himself for nothing. That he himself didn't take on Anakin for nothing. His smile was hope.
Strong chance for Qui-Gon. Zero for Yoda. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 28, 2022 20:41:55 GMT -5
Just watched the first two. Loved it. I was not expecting Leia at all! Also really good to see Bail Organa who we didn't get much of in the films. Obviously Vader is coming back, so that's going to be great. I think we will eventually see Qui-Gon and Yoda. I really like the actress playing Reva. Her physical acting is well done. And the Grand Inquisitor was menacing, but looks like he's not sticking around, sadly.
My only real gripe is that I don't think they properly aged up Ewan. He looks like he's in his late 40's, early 50's. Hair not even thinning. In just 9 more years he's supposed to morph into Ben Kenobi from Star Wars? Not even a shade of grey in his hair or beard. The end of episode two, when Obi-Wan learns that Anakin lives, his face goes from pain, confusion to giving a brief and subtle smile at the implication of what it means. Wow! My take is that smile means he thinks the prophecy could be true for Anakin afterall. That Qui-Gon Jinn didn't die himself for nothing. That he himself didn't take on Anakin for nothing. His smile was hope.
Strong chance for Qui-Gon. Zero for Yoda. Do you know something? |
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 28, 2022 20:49:47 GMT -5
Strong chance for Qui-Gon. Zero for Yoda. Do you know something? No. Just a hunch. Too risky to have two jedi masters meet up in the Empire glory days. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 28, 2022 20:58:46 GMT -5
No. Just a hunch. Too risky to have two jedi masters meet up in the Empire glory days. Yeah, probably so. I do have this crazy idea that Obi-Wan might run into an old armless and scarred Mace Windu. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 28, 2022 21:00:52 GMT -5
No. Just a hunch. Too risky to have two jedi masters meet up in the Empire glory days. Yeah, probably so. I do have this crazy idea that Obi-Wan might run into an old armless and scarred Mace Windu. I’d rather these new Star Wars shows stay more fresh than always going back to the same planets and the same dozen characters over and over. Obi wan is off to a nice start. Don’t need more relics from prequels. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 28, 2022 21:19:43 GMT -5
Yeah, probably so. I do have this crazy idea that Obi-Wan might run into an old armless and scarred Mace Windu. I’d rather these new Star Wars shows stay more fresh than always going back to the same planets and the same dozen characters over and over. Obi wan is off to a nice start. Don’t need more relics from prequels. Wouldn't bother me really, but I'm a prequel fanboy. Not a sequel fan; I like to pretend those don't exist. Mandalorian is great. Book of Boba Fett, not so much, with some exception. |
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Post by RocketMan on May 30, 2022 15:56:44 GMT -5
I liked it, young Leia was a bit too smart and the chase in the forest was comical but other than that it’s promising.
My biggest issue is the music, like you don’t have to put binary sunset into every other episode but at least a theme here or there just for the atmosphere would be great. Kenobi had the most generic theme I can think of
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 30, 2022 16:40:11 GMT -5
I liked it, young Leia was a bit too smart and the chase in the forest was comical but other than that it’s promising. My biggest issue is the music, like you don’t have to put binary sunset into every other episode but at least a theme here or there just for the atmosphere would be great. Kenobi had the most generic theme I can think of I took the other perspective on young Leia being super smart and savvy. That’s how she was in A New Hope. She was only 19-20 in that movie. And she was light years more experienced and seasoned compared to 19-20 Luke. Leia was always an old soul and wise beyond her years. A character who grew up quick and had something special about her. We later learn it’s because she has the force within her. |
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Post by RocketMan on May 31, 2022 13:29:28 GMT -5
I liked it, young Leia was a bit too smart and the chase in the forest was comical but other than that it’s promising. My biggest issue is the music, like you don’t have to put binary sunset into every other episode but at least a theme here or there just for the atmosphere would be great. Kenobi had the most generic theme I can think of I took the other perspective on young Leia being super smart and savvy. That’s how she was in A New Hope. She was only 19-20 in that movie. And she was light years more experienced and seasoned compared to 19-20 Luke. Leia was always an old soul and wise beyond her years. A character who grew up quick and had something special about her. We later learn it’s because she has the force within her. Yeah I know. There’s is just something weird about super smart and witty kids in movies and shows that I don’t like. Doesn’t feel like something a kid would say but what a writer thinks a kid would. It’s not a huge issue, it’s far from young Anakin. That little shit was annoying |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 31, 2022 23:08:38 GMT -5
Does young Leia seem too young to anybody else? Like by 2-3 years? She seems more like she's 7 than 10. But this is happening 10 years after Padme's death, right?
The actress is doing fine, except for that run in the woods. But I just keep noticing that the age seems off.
I keep thinking maybe they cast somebody younger purposefully so that if they do more seasons, she'll age with the timeline of the show.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jun 1, 2022 13:34:46 GMT -5
Episode 3! Gave me chills. A little concerned though about continuity. In A New Hope when Darth and Ben meet, there is specific dialogue about Obi-Wan having been the master the previous time they had met. And that Vader had now grown strong enough to be considered Ben's master.
In Episode 3, Obi-Wan was clearly at the mercy of Vader. I'm assuming by the end, he will have found himself again and assumed his former power and master title. But at the moment, it ain't looking good for Obi-Wan.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 1, 2022 13:45:13 GMT -5
Episode 3! Gave me chills. A little concerned though about continuity. In A New Hope when Darth and Ben meet, there is specific dialogue about Obi-Wan having been the master the previous time they had met. And that Vader had now grown strong enough to be considered Ben's master. In Episode 3, Obi-Wan was clearly at the mercy of Vader. I'm assuming by the end, he will have found himself again and assumed his former power and master title. But at the moment, it ain't looking good for Obi-Wan. Obi is getting his mojo back. He probably bests Vader in this show. Then he beats Maul in Rebels 5 years later. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jun 1, 2022 13:58:03 GMT -5
Episode 3! Gave me chills. A little concerned though about continuity. In A New Hope when Darth and Ben meet, there is specific dialogue about Obi-Wan having been the master the previous time they had met. And that Vader had now grown strong enough to be considered Ben's master. In Episode 3, Obi-Wan was clearly at the mercy of Vader. I'm assuming by the end, he will have found himself again and assumed his former power and master title. But at the moment, it ain't looking good for Obi-Wan. Obi is getting his mojo back. He probably bests Vader in this show. Then he beats Maul in Rebels 5 years later. Yeah, I'll be pissed if they have him run away or something. Although, after this episode, I don't know if I can blame him ...
They brought up Obi-Wan's brother ... Owen Lars perhaps? What if?
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Post by fabulousbakers on Jun 1, 2022 15:52:45 GMT -5
Episode 3! Gave me chills. A little concerned though about continuity. In A New Hope when Darth and Ben meet, there is specific dialogue about Obi-Wan having been the master the previous time they had met... No Vader specifically says "when I left you" not "when we last met". He "left" Obi-Wan and the Jedi at the end of Revenge Of The Sith, so the line makes sense. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 1, 2022 16:42:35 GMT -5
Obi is getting his mojo back. He probably bests Vader in this show. Then he beats Maul in Rebels 5 years later. Yeah, I'll be pissed if they have him run away or something. Although, after this episode, I don't know if I can blame him ... They brought up Obi-Wan's brother ... Owen Lars perhaps? What if?
We already know Owen isn’t Obi-WAN’s bro from the prequels. He’s a Lars. |
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Post by RocketMan on Jun 2, 2022 3:33:43 GMT -5
Disneys treatment of Vader so far is by far the best thing they’ve done. He was great in Rogue One, but that was one hell of an entrance last episode. I loved it. „I am what you made me“
But then again: HELLO MR MUSICMAKER PLEASE GIVE ME MORE STAR WARS THEMES.
So much fanservice but they won’t use more than two seconds of obi wans theme smh my head
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Post by welshylad on Jun 6, 2022 7:55:26 GMT -5
The first half of ep3 was a bit shit imo. Then Vader came back, immense
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Post by RocketMan on Jun 8, 2022 10:11:18 GMT -5
Terrible Episode. Writing, editing , pacing was all over the place and and top of that they rushed through the whole plot in 30min. You can’t be serious that in a 6 part series you have an episode like this. You can take any random HBO mini series and you can be sure that every last episode is on point.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jun 8, 2022 23:02:43 GMT -5
Time to talk about some issues. But first off the good. I don't think episode 4 is bad. I thought it was pretty good. Would have liked more Vader. Would have liked to see Reva used as more than just an interrogator. But otherwise, from an action stand point it had me hooked and left me wanting more. Now the bad. This episode came in at a very disappointing 32 minutes. Episode 3 was 40 minutes. And really, episode 4 was the final act of episode 3. Why not have just combined them? That would have been a solid 70 minute episode, ending on a decent cliffhanger. They are trying to squeeze too much out of this series I think, keep it going for longer than it should have for the sake of views and buzz. I also get the impression that they might not have had a fully fleshed out concept. Like, maybe they gave it the sequel treatment and winged it. Case in point, in episode 3 at the end, are we supposed to care about Wade? I barely remember who the dude was, other than somebody who objected to going on the mission, but did anyway. Right there is a character that you should have fleshed out if you're going to kill him off and portray the event as if the audience is supposed to care. Now for Leia (and Obi-Wan). I am enjoying Leia, I really am. If I were to put myself in the shoes of an entirely new viewer, then I get it. It would be exciting and interesting if I haven't seen the original trilogy or sequels yet. And I think that's what Disney is really seeking, new audiences. Connect an entire new generation of viewers and invest them in the characters. I get it. But as an older viewer, there's absolutely no tension of any sort for Leia or Obi-Wan because we know their fate. As cool as the sequence is with Obi-Wan rescuing Leia, there's zero stake, because we know they will get out of it. I wish they would have chosen, not Leia, but rather a padawan or Jedi for Obi-Wan to rescue. Somebody whose fate we don't know, because they don't feature in other films. Then we can spend the entire time wondering if Obi-Wan succeeds at rescuing that person and getting them out of danger. As fun as this is, it could have been so much better with that added tension. Obi-Wan's design. I'm kind of not liking it. It's off. And I have figured out why. They've clearly told Ewan to do an Alec Guinness impersonation. And frankly, he's doing well at it. The problem is ... *gasp* ... He. Does. Not. Look. The. Part. -He's not balding. -He's not going grey. -He barely has a wrinkle on his skin. -He's still athletic. And so the voice he's doing, just isn't working like it should. Because that voice, that style of speaking is what we associate with Alec Guinness's portrayal. Either they should have aged Ewan up so he looked closer to the Ben Kenobi we know, who at this point is only a decade older than what Ewan is portraying right now or they should have just had Ewan do his normal version of Obi-Wan and let our own brains fill in the gap of what might have happened in the interim decade to lead to the change in voice. Maybe I am nitpicking here. But that's what I have identified the issue to be. They took a half-measure. They should have went all out or not at all. I would have accepted Ewan's version of the Obi-Wan voice. I would have accepted an older looking Ewan doing the Alec Guinness voice. But this half-way inbetween just isn't working like they probably wanted it to. We're meant to believe that 20 years in the desert made Obi-Wan look that way. But how can that be when after just 10 years in the desert, he barely looks older than how he did in Revenge of the Sith? He just has a larger beard and head of hair.
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Post by shadowplay on Jun 15, 2022 22:00:06 GMT -5
I love this show and I say that as someone who has only liked Mando, two episodes from Boba Fett and TFA from the Disney era. I honestly feel like all the criticisms are so nitpicky or are always focused on the what happens to characters from a cartoon show aimed at 10 year olds. There are legitimate problems with every Star Wars film except ESB and I get so frustrated seeing people getting mad because a character hasn't been de-aged enough, that a prominent character is a black woman or that a 10 year old can out run much larger thugs in a forest where she spends all day every day running about where she can duck under and over things.
It's like let's not talk about all the great aspects of this show, how it finally makes you look at Vader and feel like it's Anakin under that mask for the first time, how it explores the impact of order 66 through it's characters and all of their nuanced individual traumas, how it adds so much to Leia and explains why she named her child after her hero, how we see a depressed jedi arc done well, how it explores Vaders physical trauma and how it drives his every motivation.
No it's like, that chase scene with the kid was so dumb, why is that lady taking up so much screen time, why is insert person not use the force to do insert action. Get over it, it's all good character stuff in this show which the saga badly needs, it's mostly been all very plot driven post ESB and we needed to explore these characters relationships and conflicts more after the prequels.
I can just imagine if ANH was released today. It would be rubbish because a highly trained stormtrooper banged his head on a low door frame, because Vader didn't sense that his daughter was Leia, because the choreography of the lightsaber fight was weak, because Luke's saber changed colours etc. Or even ROTJ in an established universe, how did Luke beat Vader with 6 months of training? How did the ewoks beat an imperial army with sticks and stones? That plan to rescue Han was really dumb and it ruined the movie, so Lando is a hero now? etc etc.
If people had more legitimate criticisms like about how the series is too dark visually, how the music is somewhat underwhelming when compared to the JW themes that we're used to associating these characters with or about that bloody shaky cam I'd understand it and empathize more. But seeing a really good series like this being hammered because Reva has a lot of screen time, a character doesn't use the force to do what is logical from a 3rd person viewing perspective or because a chase scene involving a 9 year old actress looks weird just annoys me to be honest. All of Star Wars is flawed from a logical perspective and always has been. It's about enjoying the good, enjoying the emotional rollercoaster, the twists and turns, the action and character relationships in a cool and and magical universe. Just shut your brain off and enjoy the ride, that's what Star Wars has always been about.
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Post by welshylad on Jun 16, 2022 9:54:40 GMT -5
Vader stopping that ship and ripping it apart was cooooool af
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Post by RocketMan on Jun 16, 2022 10:38:56 GMT -5
Everything involving Darth Vader is amazing, everything else is, well it depends on the scene really. The pacing is all over the place, same as some of the acting. Also this show goes from having a 90s tv show vibe to a blockbuster Hollywood movie within seconds, they really should have spend the budget more evenly.
Im waiting for the last episode to judge this show, but so far it’s unfortunately quite underwhelming
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 16, 2022 11:44:26 GMT -5
Everything involving Darth Vader is amazing, everything else is, well it depends on the scene really. The pacing is all over the place, same as some of the acting. Also this show goes from having a 90s tv show vibe to a blockbuster Hollywood movie within seconds, they really should have spend the budget more evenly. Im waiting for the last episode to judge this show, but so far it’s unfortunately quite underwhelming Feels like the show really was meant to be like 4 episodes. Some really stretched thin moments mid season. So much ground to cover with 1 episode remaining. One of the big troubles of the series is what are the stakes, what are we learning about these characters because Obi, Leia, her parents, Owen, Luke, Vader all survive this show obviously. We barely know or know Reva. Do we really care about her fate? Not really. I wanted to learn more about Obi-Wan as a man this series over the last decade. Sadly he’s been mostly an errand boy. Hoping for force ghost Qui Gon in the finale. |
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Post by RocketMan on Jun 16, 2022 13:45:30 GMT -5
Everything involving Darth Vader is amazing, everything else is, well it depends on the scene really. The pacing is all over the place, same as some of the acting. Also this show goes from having a 90s tv show vibe to a blockbuster Hollywood movie within seconds, they really should have spend the budget more evenly. Im waiting for the last episode to judge this show, but so far it’s unfortunately quite underwhelming Feels like the show really was meant to be like 4 episodes. Some really stretched thin moments mid season. So much ground to cover with 1 episode remaining. The Kenobi Script was originally meant to be a movie but they stopped production when the Han Solo Movie flopped. So they turned that same script into the show. |
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